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Post Post #2000 (ISO) » Wed Sep 04, 2019 9:16 am

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In post 1995, Klick wrote:I find it odd that you/Tchill are arguing the 'possible LyLo' angle while also arguing the 'you're super confident Datisi is scum' angle. Those two ideas don't go well together. If I lynch you and you're scum, then tomorrow isn't LyLo, is it?

I also have a life and haven't looked at things like associatives in-depth. Considering no one else has done this, I'm not sure why I'm being held to this higher standard.

Hey Tchill, who is LUV's partner and why?
From my perspective lylo is extremely possible even with a datisi lynch.

From your perspective datisi is an extremely strong scum candidate. As I have for the last 5 pages... I'm just talking from your pov and then telling you what's wrong with it from my pov.
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Post Post #2001 (ISO) » Wed Sep 04, 2019 9:18 am

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I think I've already mentioned that the A50 slot and LUV have done nothing to earn a TR. I'm not buying the replacements as an AI thing. (Though Billy was vaguely Townlean, and Turkey is heading into that direction.)
I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”
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Post Post #2002 (ISO) » Wed Sep 04, 2019 9:30 am

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No they haven't, but klick believes they're town.

And with all these town reads has no idea who's your scum partner and IS CLEARLY SHOWING he's not concerned with figuring that out before your lynch.

Just figure it out later right? That's fine if we've caught datisi but she's not set in stone scum.

Maybe klick knows you'll flip town and doesn't want to create any associations before your flip.

I'm beginning to lean more and more towards klick being scum with Luca/luv/A50

Probably in that order.

And it IS because he refuses to push Luca at all even if he feels better about others being town.

Luca in turn would only discuss a tchill/datisi team. Which I was hoping he wouldn't do but it doesn't surprise me.

Luca also believes A50/LUV Is town.

It's weird that these 2 will not push each other at all.
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Post Post #2003 (ISO) » Wed Sep 04, 2019 12:23 pm

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In post 2002, Tchill13 wrote:And it IS because he refuses to push Luca at all even if he feels better about others being town.
Take a second to consider your reasoning here and whether it actually indicates that I'm scum.

Because a far more likely explanation is that I don't think Luca is scummy.
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Post Post #2004 (ISO) » Wed Sep 04, 2019 1:41 pm

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Ok. Well my plan was subverted by a very weird setup. Here is my thought process:

Upon seeing my almost useless role, I figured it would be best to massclaim. My role is designed to die, so I did not really care if I died earlier than I "should" given my ability. If I draw the nightkill either by protecting someone or simply drawing attention away from a player with a better grasp of the game I think I have accomplished my job.

Additionally, a mass claim creates two groups Power Roles and Vanilla Townies that make sorting by process of elimination much easier. I believe that most mini/micro normal games can have a fairly significant EV shift in town's favor through early mass claim. At the very least you are forcing scum to commit to a lie. They will either have to lie about their role, or about their targets. In some cases, they will lie about both. A mass claim can almost immediately catch a scum that chooses to lie about both. By forcing a scum to commit to one group, you can essentially guarantee that scum will be grouped in two ways:

Group 1
{PR pool, 1 scum}
{Vanilla pool, x scum}

or

Group 2
{PR pool, no scum}
{Vanilla pool, 1 scum + x scum}

If two scum decide to claim PR, it creates a massive setup balance that draws a lot of scrutiny. Most scum will not do this. It is possible, but almost certainly leads to a scum lynch on the day of mass claim. In my experience, most scum will claim according to Group 1. Normally, games will have 2-4 power roles. Typically, they have 3. Micro games I believe typically have 3 roles. That seems like a high concentration given the amount of players in the game, but scum in Micro games only need 3 mislynches which is really not that hard to achieve. In my earlier post requesting a massclaim, I hypothesized that there were 2 more town power roles other than myself. I denoted this in a crumb by deliberately misspelling 2 words. It IS possible that another town PR has not claimed and is just lying low. I give you until the end of day to claim if that is the case. Otherwise, all other claims will be treated as immediate scum claims.

Applying my theory to this game, it appears we are dealing with Group 2. I know I am town and my role would be worthless if it did not have at least another town PR to protect. From that, I can deduce that Iconeum is town. I have no idea why my predecessor apparently lied about the role. I expect it is because he wanted to put it to use in the future rather than revealing it to the scum, but I cannot be sure. I currently see no benefit in doing that, and well, the I can't put the cat in the bag now. This leaves me with the following pools based on game mechanics
alone
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Town pool {Iconeum, gobbledygook}
Scum pool {Datisi, Klick, Lil Uzi Vert, Luca Blight, Tchill13}

This means that there are 2 scum in 5 players. I will be solely focusing my efforts on examining the players in the scum pool. If Iconeum is scum, he can have the win. This game would be stupid as essentially a 2/7 mountainous, which I believe is scumsided.

I will not really have enough time to do my normal schtick until the weekend, but these are my thoughts currently. I still have not read a single page of this game other than a few specific posts directed at me.

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Post Post #2005 (ISO) » Wed Sep 04, 2019 1:51 pm

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Well the logic checks out.

Can't wait for you to read a little.
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Post Post #2006 (ISO) » Wed Sep 04, 2019 3:08 pm

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Tchill, you might be frustrated that I'm not fully willing to work with you here, but remember from my perspective you have a very likely chance of being scum.

I feel like you're trying to create leeway for yourself by causing me and Klick to doubt each other. You talk about discombobulation in the Town, but I feel as though you are the main cause of that right now.

I also don't see the absolute need to have a scumteam nailed on today. I can see your point of view that '
If Datisi is lynched and flips scum then I might be next'
, and this mindset is understandable as either alignment, but remember if Datisi does indeed flip scum then we have two bites at the cherry to nail the other one.
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Post Post #2007 (ISO) » Wed Sep 04, 2019 3:16 pm

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VC 2.5
Klick (1)
- Datisi
gobbledygook (1)
- Luca Blight
Datisi (1)
- Klick

Not Voting (4)
- Lil Uzi Vert, Tchill13, Iconeum, gobbledygook

With 7 alive, 4 is majority.

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Post Post #2008 (ISO) » Wed Sep 04, 2019 3:22 pm

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VOTE: datisi

ok lets do this.

my points have been made.
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Post Post #2009 (ISO) » Wed Sep 04, 2019 3:25 pm

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In post 1964, Tchill13 wrote:For all the "setting up and cherry picking" talk Luca makes one could easily see where I become the setup to be mislynched in lylo here.
This makes no sense - how am I setting you up to be '
mislynched in LYLO
' when I'm associating you as Datisi's partner, and we're lynching Datisi today?

If she flips scum, it isn't LYLO, if she flips Town, then most of what I've said goes out of the window.
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Post Post #2010 (ISO) » Wed Sep 04, 2019 3:35 pm

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In post 2002, Tchill13 wrote: Luca also believes A50/LUV Is town.
I've actually said I'm still not entirely sure about Gobble. If I'm wrong about the Datisi/Tchill scumteam then he must be scum by PoE, from my perspective.
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Post Post #2011 (ISO) » Wed Sep 04, 2019 3:38 pm

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VOTE: Datisi

That's
L-1
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I'm pretty much set in my reads for today so I'm fine ending the day whenever everyone is ready.
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Post Post #2012 (ISO) » Wed Sep 04, 2019 3:47 pm

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In post 2009, Luca Blight wrote:
In post 1964, Tchill13 wrote:For all the "setting up and cherry picking" talk Luca makes one could easily see where I become the setup to be mislynched in lylo here.
This makes no sense - how am I setting you up to be '
mislynched in LYLO
' when I'm associating you as Datisi's partner, and we're lynching Datisi today?

If she flips scum, it isn't LYLO, if she flips Town, then most of what I've said goes out of the window.
datisi flips town. All of your lock trs are still alive.

tchill is still scum

you pushed flippy/tchill scum.

flippy flipped town.

I was still scum then. What makes this different?
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Post Post #2013 (ISO) » Wed Sep 04, 2019 4:04 pm

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The difference is I'm hardly
'setting you up
' on that basis, am I?

Yes, I am still going to be scumreading you regardless of the flip, but it doesn't mean the others will.
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Post Post #2014 (ISO) » Wed Sep 04, 2019 4:10 pm

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In post 2012, Tchill13 wrote: you pushed flippy/tchill scum.

flippy flipped town.

I was still scum then. What makes this different?
And this is a bit of a misrep - I reconsidered you based on Flippy's town flip (remember when I gut townread you at the start of this day?) but I have become less and less sure of you as the day has progressed.
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Post Post #2015 (ISO) » Wed Sep 04, 2019 4:11 pm

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Aaaalrightly then.

Wish I could lock down Klick/Luca upon my Green flip. But the way LUV is playing is making me so uneasy I cannot grant him a TR.
In post 2010, Luca Blight wrote:
In post 2002, Tchill13 wrote: Luca also believes A50/LUV Is town.
I've actually said I'm still not entirely sure about Gobble. If I'm wrong about the Datisi/Tchill scumteam then he must be scum by PoE, from my perspective.
This however, which gives me vibes of setting up Gobble's mislynch tomorrow, makes me feel better about Klick/Luca.
I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”
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Post Post #2016 (ISO) » Wed Sep 04, 2019 4:16 pm

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That's very shallow, Datisi.

Does it not make sense, having already said I hard TR Icon, Klick and Uzi, that if you were to flip town then from my perspective Gobble automatically becomes a SR by PoE?
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Post Post #2017 (ISO) » Wed Sep 04, 2019 4:18 pm

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Too fucking bad. I'm eating rope anyway, I'm gonna say it.

It makes perfect goddamn sense. One more mislynch and you win eh? Eh??
I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”
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Post Post #2018 (ISO) » Wed Sep 04, 2019 4:22 pm

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Datisi your flip clears up some shit on my end.

If you're green then klick or Luca needs to be lynched tomorrow.
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Post Post #2019 (ISO) » Wed Sep 04, 2019 4:24 pm

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Dope.

My final guess is {Klick, Luca, LUV} in terms of most to least likely to be scum.

Icon comes on in some hour and a half. He has my blessing to drop the hammer, I've got nothing left to say.
I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”
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Post Post #2020 (ISO) » Wed Sep 04, 2019 4:24 pm

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The fact you're still pushing the Klick thing just screams scum to me anyway - if you were being objective about your reads you'd see he's obvtown.

He was the one that initiated the mass-claim which cleared Icon. He was the first to clear Billy/Uzi as Town. He is the one who has given more perspective to the A50 slot when he was about to eat rope. He is the one who has genuinely tried to sort between Tchill and I, by considering Tchill missing Icon's claim and considering my D2 play as not making sense coming from scum.

You TR Ali because they would have had to have a convoluted game plan as scum, well how convoluted would Klick's game plan have to be as scum? He wouldn't have had to do half of this consideration and deliberation.
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Post Post #2021 (ISO) » Wed Sep 04, 2019 4:24 pm

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Luca will come out pushing tchill/gobble if dstisi flips green.

Klick will probably just explode. He will mentally combust. Because he doesn't have the ability to reassess town reads. We've already established that.

And if you flip red datisi then I believe A50 will be the next target.

Regardless. I hate that you have to go. You're one of the only ppl that have worked with me through and through.

I hope it's understandable.
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Post Post #2022 (ISO) » Wed Sep 04, 2019 4:27 pm

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LUV was never cleared. He had to give perspective to A50 because he needed me dead today. Because I was the only one here who was doubting his bullshit, and if I got confirmed it wouldn't have been nice for him in LyLo if A50 got hanged.
I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”
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Post Post #2023 (ISO) » Wed Sep 04, 2019 4:27 pm

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It's understandable, Tchill. I'm really hoping the Town can figure something out.
I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”
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Post Post #2024 (ISO) » Wed Sep 04, 2019 4:35 pm

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In post 2018, Tchill13 wrote:Datisi your flip clears up some shit on my end.

If you're green then klick or Luca needs to be lynched tomorrow.
Klick isn't being lynched Tomorrow.

If Datisi flips Town then I'll happily go 1v1 with you.
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