Newbie 1951 (Day 4)

[popsofctown]

You need to roll scum more

[teacher]

As for the 1v1 itself, I think I should have done better to realize Menalque was town and spewed so by creeper. But you’ll notice almost all of my contributions in that period were to ask him to articulate exactly what he promised. He kept complaining that I had somehow deprived him of time, while I kept pointing out that he had all the time he needed - the thread wasn’t locked for over 12 hours. Again, I’m not really sure why a player of your caliber sees that kind of emotion (and you’re right it was emotional) and decides it’s scum motivated to prolong the attention of having someone who is pretty certain to be confirmed town calling me scum repeatedly? Why wouldn’t ....

i don't know if it was inherently scum-motivated, and that's not really what my point in that post was either

what i said is that i believe that

you were at least in part responsible

for the mena wagon, and that i feel like you were downplaying your part in it by sayign things like 'you didn't push him that hard' and that 'you just went along with it', because i objectively i don't think that's what happened, and it feels revisionist of you to describe your interaction with him at the end of the day that way

Um, false. In case you don’t remember, here is verbatim what you said.

you had like a 10 page

emotional

/aggressive 1v1 with him at the end of day1 that

directly influenced the fact that he got mislynched

the next day

First, “directly influenced” means MAJORLY responsible, not “partly responsible”. As one of the votes on Mena, I am definitely partly responsible.

But there is a deeper level of bad analysis here, highlighted in the word “emotional.” You are absolutely right it was emotional. But why? It was emotional because, from town!Mena’s perspective, he had ALREADY been set up for the mislynch. Menalque himself says this a couple times on page 41, including 1011. In other words, the emotional 1v1 had no influence whatsoever on his mislynch, but was a reaction to it. And that’s pretty obvious, to the point that I can’t really believe you think otherwise. So instead what I see you doing is pushing off me today to keep me for tomorrow and use it.

[teacher]

^to be clear, 41 is at the start of the five (not 10) page 1v1.

[teacher]

VOTE: emps

I really don't like emps' reactions to Farkran's attacks. Most notably, he seems to be getting desperate in his recent posts (specifically 303, 304, and 305).

Also, what point are you trying to make with that "scumreading two of the above" post?

i think his reaction test was at least somewhat genuine? but it seemed sorta rushed tbh because he only brought up recent posts and made no even semi-decent points on me, however i dont think scum does that

yeah I'm confident on creeper scum now.

i dunno i could buy creeper/fark as the gamesolve but that feels wayy too easy

Here’s my issue w the wagon right now: fark has been put on L-1 twice (five votes, as skitter replaced sushi). I know I’m town and I lean heavily that way on spammy. So unless we are saying the team is exactly creeper-fark, farks likely a Mislynch.

Skit- talk to me about Menalque because I melded w you a bit there. I disagreed w the early townread on darque and his reads (there, emps) have seemed a little swingy. The meld was strong on the 180-220 bit of reaching to scumread spam after what was to me an extremely towny reaction test - like Nigeria at the player Nd looking for a rationale.

I’m not saying that’s not the team btw. But if people are inclined there, I think the higher value play is to lynch creeper.

UNVOTE: Menalque
VOTE: creeper

it should be mentioned Fark is at L-1

What exactly made all of this happen? I know it's probably something in my previous post, but what?

at the time i felt like the reaction test was the fakest shit ever and i felt like it was an excuse to back out of the SR on me

I spent some time in isoland and don’t get this sequence emps? Like maybe there’s a chronology I’m not getting? At the time of these you have a whole sequence on creeper trying to sort them, but I feel those two somewhat contradict?

[teacher]

he has 2 posts directed towards sely and teacher that use a lot of "you"s

They’re actually all directed to me, fwiw.

[teacher]

ok so what were you thinking about the sushi/nmsa mason crumb thing when you saw the tracker claim?

You can see my reaction in real time on [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... &start=850] - initially inclined not to believe (b/c masons), and pressing for backup in 853 and 859, then switching when I realize it would be poor scumplay in 874. Turns out it was just poor scumplay/this setup is more against fake claims than I realized.

[teacher]

ok so what were you thinking about the sushi/nmsa mason crumb thing when you saw the tracker claim?

You can see my reaction in real time on page 35- initially inclined not to believe (b/c masons), and pressing for backup in 853 and 859, then switching when I realize it would be poor scumplay in 874. Turns out it was just poor scumplay/this setup is more against fake claims than I realized.

Ebwop link fix.

[teacher]

@ pops 1348

I think you’re misinterpreting emps on the Fark L-1 checkin. I do think it was purely the thread checkin that was keeping him from voting - some players, myself included - tend to vote on their first post. A lolhammer is more likely from a brand new player than one who has given some indication of already following the game by posting. I see that sequence as NAI, especially because emps repeatedly underlined it in his own ISO (responding to Fark), suggesting that even if scum!enps, there was not nervousness associated with his progression there of the sort you are implying he felt as to Menalque.

[popsofctown]

I follow.

I'm still at least a little inherently leery of someone who multiposts like a gangster votes like a nun

[emps]

VOTE: emps

I really don't like emps' reactions to Farkran's attacks. Most notably, he seems to be getting desperate in his recent posts (specifically 303, 304, and 305).

Also, what point are you trying to make with that "scumreading two of the above" post?

i think his reaction test was at least somewhat genuine? but it seemed sorta rushed tbh because he only brought up recent posts and made no even semi-decent points on me, however i dont think scum does that

yeah I'm confident on creeper scum now.

i dunno i could buy creeper/fark as the gamesolve but that feels wayy too easy

Here’s my issue w the wagon right now: fark has been put on L-1 twice (five votes, as skitter replaced sushi). I know I’m town and I lean heavily that way on spammy. So unless we are saying the team is exactly creeper-fark, farks likely a Mislynch.

Skit- talk to me about Menalque because I melded w you a bit there. I disagreed w the early townread on darque and his reads (there, emps) have seemed a little swingy. The meld was strong on the 180-220 bit of reaching to scumread spam after what was to me an extremely towny reaction test - like Nigeria at the player Nd looking for a rationale.

I’m not saying that’s not the team btw. But if people are inclined there, I think the higher value play is to lynch creeper.

UNVOTE: Menalque
VOTE: creeper

it should be mentioned Fark is at L-1

What exactly made all of this happen? I know it's probably something in my previous post, but what?

at the time

i felt like the reaction test was the fakest shit ever and i felt like it was an excuse to back out of the SR on me

I spent some time in isoland and don’t get this sequence emps? Like maybe there’s a chronology I’m not getting? At the time of these you have a whole sequence on creeper trying to sort them, but I feel those two somewhat contradict?

notice the "at the time"

[popsofctown]

It looks like 559 and 561 would make sense posted in reverse order

[popsofctown]

last scum for me is in pops/teacher/skitter

i dunno if i can sort skitter/teacher tbh...

Why is your lynchpool so unrefined? You can't sort -anyone-? Selynee just doesn't even really count anymore as of the timing of this post.

Also, why no interest in metaing sushi? She's probably more meta sortable than either of the ICs

[popsofctown]

I mean SEs, sorry

[teacher]

Emps has played with sushi so. It sure he’d need to met.

[popsofctown]

Are you ok?

[emps]

i think hes trying to say ive played with sushi before, and they have no scum meta, so i dont really need to meta them

[teacher]

“So I’m not sure”. But I do have fat fingers and that was a funny response.

[skitter30]

skitter30- So this is the slot had Farkran the earliest. I felt like her defense of Farkran was occasionally oversimplified and glossed over some of the details thought, rather than digging into the real nitty gritty of why teacher and Farkran didn't see eye to eye.

i mean ... i feel like i did ~quite~ a bit of digging into why teacher and farkran didn't see eye to eye, and talked about it quite a lot

iirc my opinion changed when menalque gave intent; that wagon built kinda fast and i tend to get spooked by wagons that are happening ~too easily~, and reconsidering farkran i felt like most of his posts just felt like they were coming from a different site meta/different understanding of how to play the game

and playing differently isn't the same thing as playing scummily, it's just ~different~, and i disliked that quite a lot of people were going after him for what i viewed to be stylitsic differences that were not actually ai

wrt confirmation bias - i'm pretty stubborn when i feel like i have a read that i believe to be correct, and i'll just proclaim my opinion as loudly and often as i possibily can, irregardless of how other people feel or think about it

and yeah people just tend ot townread me; i kinda exude towniness as either alignment

[skitter30]

i like pops initial catchup; i'm not sure if reading the first 30 pages without having a role pm is ai tho

[skitter30]

*i'm not sure that *reacting* to the first 30 pages without having a role pm is ai tho

^^ more accurately reflects what i mean

[skitter30]

I actually know very little of skitter's meta though so it's a less offensive variant here. I think she was in that Boon game with me, but maybe that was skygazer, those feminine "sk" words, they give me a hard time.

nope, that was me

[skitter30]

emps: Not a lot of change. I hated that "Menalque seems to be trying convince teacher that teacher is scum instead of convincing us that teacher is scum" was glaringly resonant.

? i only remember this coming up like once or twice

what's the problem you have with this?

[emps]

what do you mean by "reacting to the first 30 pages"

in order to replace in they have to confirm their role pm, yeah?

[popsofctown]

I did not post before I had a role PM (nor draft the post) obviously that would be terrihorrinope

[popsofctown]

But I read the first 30 pages without knowing whether Sushi Martyr was town or scum

Was definitely a scum leam

Also read without knowing which slot I was replacing, I think until page 14?