Newbie 1953 | Zooborns IV | Game Over

[Chemist1422]

I think something that I’ve picked up on is that people love to go for those they believe are the scummiest at that current moment, but not looking at overall game.

I think my strongest scumread is Oobsy, based on hammering D1 on norwegian without scumreading them before that point. I still think as a whole everyone has a scumread on Chemist however, including myself.

My read on Chemist is based partially on process of elimination, partially based on under-the-radar behavior today - and at least some of D1 as well, once the opening vote business furor died down. I wouldn't say he's my strongest scumread, but he's definitely in my lynch pool.

He's also the low-hanging fruit, though. Given Mr Oobsy's sudden case of Tracker, Chemist's probably the easiest person to lynch right now.

It would be *really* nice to get some fresh content to evaluate Chemist with. (hint, hint)

Anyway. So Oobsy's your strongest scumread. Voting for him right now would be pretty silly given the claim. So where would you rather go? Say majority lynch wasn't a thing, you didn't have to worry about hammers, deadline was all that mattered. Where would you be voting in that case?

no hints shh

[Chemist1422]

Jamelia: is Chemist currently your strongest scumread? If not, who is?

I think something that I’ve picked up on is that people love to go for those they believe are the scummiest at that current moment, but not looking at overall game.

I think my strongest scumread is Oobsy, based on hammering D1 on norwegian without scumreading them before that point. I still think as a whole everyone has a scumread on Chemist however, including myself.

What’s up with the last line?

[Chemist1422]

I think all of the poking at stuff Farren did was really towny and that they’ve been genuinely solving a lot

Mechanically Oobsy and skitter are clear which leaves Micc/Leuco/Jamelia

[Jamelia]

Jamelia: is Chemist currently your strongest scumread? If not, who is?

I think something that I’ve picked up on is that people love to go for those they believe are the scummiest at that current moment, but not looking at overall game.

I think my strongest scumread is Oobsy, based on hammering D1 on norwegian without scumreading them before that point. I still think as a whole everyone has a scumread on Chemist however, including myself.

What’s up with the last line?

Like Farren said, based on “process of elimination” you would be the person that has acted the “most scummy” all game. However I definetly agree that you are the obvious target at the moment.

Answering Farren’s question:

Right now I think my gut is telling me Skitter as the vote. I like Micc/Leuco’s content, and personally I don’t think there’s enough evidence of scum-related actions/context to justify voting for them (from my perspective). Although Skitter cannot stick up for themselves for a few days.

I think I’d like to wait a little bit and see other people post and talk about the vote in order to have a clearer target.

[Farren]

I think all of the poking at stuff Farren did was really towny and that they’ve been genuinely solving a lot

Mechanically Oobsy and skitter are clear which leaves Micc/Leuco/Jamelia

With no counterclaims, Oobsy goes into the 99%+ town bucket. Close enough to mechanically cleared to remove him from consideration.

Mechanically, skitter is not clear, even with Oobsy's view. Could be Goon|skitter with Rolecop making the kill N1. With the Friendly Neighbor ID'd and scheduled for execution, it even makes sense to have the Rolecop make the kill - "Your target visited <X>" would be just as incriminating as "Your target visited <X> and <Y>" if the only PR left is the Tracker. If the remaining PR is the Jailkeeper, if the JK blocks the Rolecop, scum probably won't have to worry about IDing the JK anymore.

Skitter's highly unlikely to be Rolecop, though. Technically she could have forgone her view (and had the Goon kill N1), but she wasn't exactly viewed with mass suspicion D1. Would she have been paranoid enough to skip it? I'd expect generic-scum-in-her-slot to not be that paranoid; I don't know her well enough to judge if she's more paranoid than normal as scum. Not quite the 99%+ bucket there, but at least 90%+.

[Farren]

Chemist: how are you going to sort between Micc / Leucosticte / Jamelia / (skitter)?

[Plotinus]

official vote count 2.02

baby bottlenose dolphin pod

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Lynching

With 7 votes in play, it takes 4 to lynch.

Chemist1422

(2): Micc, Mr Oobsy

Leucosticte

(1): Farren

Not Voting

(4): skitter30, Chemist1422, Jamelia, Leucosticte

Deadline:

(expired on 2019-09-11 08:15:00).

Mod notes:

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[Chemist1422]

Chemist: how are you going to sort between Micc / Leucosticte / Jamelia / (skitter)?

By reading them ofc

I’ve been busy slacking off but I’ll get into ISOs soon

[Chemist1422]

Back and going through stuff now

[Chemist1422]

okay I got distracted but I will get one of them done today

[skitter30]

i guess if nobody else claims pr mr oobsey is conftown

[skitter30]

I obviously sense some sort of scumminess from Oobsy, since they’re voting for me. But I need to investigate a little more.

why is this a scummy act?

[skitter30]

I think all of the poking at stuff Farren did was really towny and that they’ve been genuinely solving a lot

Mechanically Oobsy and skitter are clear which leaves Micc/Leuco/Jamelia

why am i mechanically clear?

[skitter30]

Right now I think my gut is telling me Skitter as the vote. I like Micc/Leuco’s content, and personally I don’t think there’s enough evidence of scum-related actions/context to justify voting for them (from my perspective). Although Skitter cannot stick up for themselves for a few days.

oh? do tell

[skitter30]

chemist is in his scum!meta i think

the problem is that i scumread just about everyone not named farren or mr oobsey

[skitter30]

and i kinda want to vote all of them so i don't knwo where to vote rn

[Chemist1422]

so I got distracted and gave up and yeah

[skitter30]

chemist is in his scum!meta i think

[Mr Oobsy]

I would be shocked if the Mafia picked up on your breadcrumbs. I base this on the fact that you didn't get shot last night. Tracker is more dangerous than Friendly Neighbor

I mean to reply you sooner, before my latest post. You are totally right, I was mistaken to think

Mafia

would kill

Friendly Neighbor

before

Tracker

.

[Mr Oobsy]

Mechanically, skitter is not clear, even with Oobsy's view. Could be Goon|skitter with Rolecop making the kill N1.

When I posted that I did not know that

Mafia

kills cannot be seen by

Tracker

. I also did not know either of the

Mafia

could choose to perform the kill.

"Your target visited <X>" would be just as incriminating as "Your target visited <X> and <Y>"

How could I see someone visit 2 people in this match, if a kill is not seen as a visit?

[Mr Oobsy]

Nevermind. I just realized you were using a hypothetical to emphasize your point.

[Farren]

Mechanically, skitter is not clear, even with Oobsy's view. Could be Goon|skitter with Rolecop making the kill N1.

When I posted that I did not know that

Mafia

kills cannot be seen by

Tracker

. I also did not know either of the

Mafia

could choose to perform the kill.

"Your target visited <X>" would be just as incriminating as "Your target visited <X> and <Y>"

How could I see someone visit 2 people in this match, if a kill is not seen as a visit?

No, Mafia kills can be seen by the Tracker.

But the Rolecop can both view and kill in the same night. So it's possible that in a given night, Rolecop both views and kills, while the Goon does nothing. If that happens, the Tracker viewing the Rolecop would get "Your target visited (X) and (Y) last night" or words to that effect. Tracker viewing the Goon that night would get "Your target visited no one" since the Goon didn't take any actions.

So *if* skitter is the Mafia Goon, then you could view her and get "skitter visited no one" or words to that effect.

If skitter's the Rolecop, then she'd have had to voluntarily skip her view action *and* have the Goon do the kill. Unlikely. Not completely *impossible*, but unlikely. Very unlikely, IMO.

So: could be the Goon from a mechanical perspective, highly unlikely to be the Rolecop.

[Farren]

i guess if nobody else claims pr mr oobsey is conftown

Everyone's had an opportunity. No one's done so.

I could kinda maybe see keeping quiet if it looked like Mr Oobsy was going to get lynched despite his claim. But that didn't happen.

[Farren]

so I got distracted and gave up and yeah

You have inspired me to go re-read Leucosticte.

[Farren]

Spoiler: Case One

UNVOTE: Chemist1422
VOTE: Mr Oobsy

Mr Oobsy is being quiet.. almost TOO quiet

If you want people to change, sometimes you gotta provide an incentive, so my vote stays where it is for now.

Leucosticte --

that dude's pretty cool, I think he's got potential

; he strikes me as one of these turboneets who will be able to give this game the attention it deserves; really I have nothing negative to say about this player at this early juncture based on what has been presented thus far

Thinks being quiet is worthy of being voted; sets expectations to participate; isn't participating today.

Spoiler: Case Two

But, what I consider scummier than the guy who's just quietly unobtrusive, is the guy who is mostly quiet except to break into the convo to say a few short words of bad advice

Is it bad for someone to be decisive and say, "Let's get this show on the road; we've debated long enough and there are already four votes for this guy, and I think he's guilty too, so let's do this"? (Of course it looks bad if afterward they turn out to be innocent)

This isn't exactly bad advice, but it certainly seems like it's justifying bad behavior.

Spoiler: Case Three

I'd rather people give some reason, even if it's a made-up or bad reason. It might help get people's creative juices going by giving them something to argue for / against, or serve as a catalyst for their own ideas. If townies say "random vote" then it might encourage scum to say, "Here's my random vote too" when they vote for town.

I was just like, "Let me just prove that I'm not scum arbitrarily voting for this other guy instead of you, because voting is more powerful than words;

if I give some explanation, that could just be BS

, but voting proves my sincerity"

Also, I was just getting exhausted from all the debate and feeling too lazy to go back through what was said and figure out who was more likely to be scum, especially since my vote probably wasn't going to matter anyway; maybe I'll be less lazy today.

(underlining added)

Higher standards for other people's RVS votes than his own non-RVS vote.

My goal here was to either compile enough evidence against Leucosticte to make a convincing argument that we should lynch him, or to convince myself that *maybe* I was misreading him - at least enough uncertainty to switch my vote to Chemist after Chemist's last post. What I saw led me to the former, not the latter.

Those of you with townreads on Leucosticte: what are you seeing to get those townreads? I see interest in the game, but not interest in finding scum. I see behaviors that he himself has declared to be scummy behaviors.

Task for tomorrow - see how plausible a Leucosticte / Chemist team sounds.