Newbie 1951 (Day 4)

[skitter30]

skitter30: Maybe she is townier in some parallel universes where she WKs Menalque day2, but I'm not sure I have parallel universes where I WK Menalque day2. With the fiery 1v1 that consumed the whole day kind of everyone gets a pass on accomplishing things day2 or not. Do you guys really have to swear so much?
skitter is one of the slots I could sequencing the mason kills in the order they had. The newbie philosophy going into N1 would be, shoot the player with more experience. The pro philosophy going into N1 would be, shoot the active player. Suffocate the canary in the coal mine. Create a hellscape which favors the mafia. Stage selection is the first attack of the battle. You'll damage the collective performance of the several experienced players so much more than simply gunning one of them directly.

i mean, day2 i didn't think he was townie, so no, i wasn't goign to defend him that day

i don't think the mason kills were that strange; i think that most people there kill the active person over the inactive person

i'm not sure that experience is such a large influencer on the nk when of the two of them, one is obviously more involved in the game than the other

[skitter30]

I did not post before I had a role PM (nor draft the post) obviously that would be terrihorrinope

no, i didn't mean to imply that you did
just that i don't think it's ai to form impressions before you get a role pm

[emps]

oh thats what you meant

[skitter30]

teacher's reaction to the self-hammer and his attitude towards should-be-cleared twilight Menalque seemed off for a town teacher, but I'm not upset enough with it to outbalance the other things the slot has done this game, so he's one rank above being in the lynchpool for me.

yeah i agree

[skitter30]

pops i'm a little bit worried about the universe where scum!you reps in and realizes that you're pretty low in the poe pool and are trying to create a viable mislynch in emps

[skitter30]

Because I don’t think I could win a 1v1 v skitter whereas I think your slot could be redeemed. I think your slot surviving til tomorrow (and it would) would be better than my slot surviving (and it would), because I think people’s views on your slot are less defined/hard.

on balance i think that repeatedly announcing that he ought to be today's lynch if people are uncertain of him is p townie

[skitter30]

How come you don't believe in yourself and your ability to slander skitter 1v1 in the Thunderdome

i don't really like 1v1s but i basically always win them so

[skitter30]

vla for a couple of days

can we get an extension so that the day phase doesn’t entirely consist of replacing sushi and a weekend? Monday-ish?

^ please

Dealing with something irl, won't be able to be here until after my weekend vla (late tomorrow night), apologies

On a human:outside of game level, best wishes. You’re one of my favorites and I hope everything is well

tyty

had a bit of a mental health thing last week. doing better now tho!

[popsofctown]

pops i'm a little bit worried about the universe where scum!you reps in and realizes that you're pretty low in the poe pool and are trying to create a viable mislynch in emps

I developed that read of emps before I learned whether Sushi was scum or town.

of course I could just be lying about that and went back and came up with it once I found out I was scum.

but that's why it is pivotal to an ethical replace process that I not be able to make any posts before I confirm my alignment.

WHEEEOOOO


Could you explain why I ought to read emps as town? Cause I mean. Maybe I'm bad. I think if I replaced into this slot to shade a universal townread and then get mislynched and then for the universal townread to not get lynched anyway the best way to maybe somehow salvage meaning and value out of this whole experience is to learn about reading emps and however many players intersect venn diagram blobbies with some of his ventricles

I wasn't going to sign any of these posts drunkpops but the nature of that metaphor may or may not do so anyway

[skitter30]

First, “directly influenced” means MAJORLY responsible, not “partly responsible”. As one of the votes on Mena, I am definitely partly responsible.

But there is a deeper level of bad analysis here, highlighted in the word “emotional.” You are absolutely right it was emotional. But why? It was emotional because, from town!Mena’s perspective, he had ALREADY been set up for the mislynch. Menalque himself says this a couple times on page 41, including 1011. In other words, the emotional 1v1 had no influence whatsoever on his mislynch, but was a reaction to it. And that’s pretty obvious, to the point that I can’t really believe you think otherwise. So instead what I see you doing is pushing off me today to keep me for tomorrow and use it.

um i feel like this is playing semantics but ok

'directly influenced', to me, means that your initial actions in some way influenced how the events that happened afterwards played out. i.e. your actions had some bearing on the later events. it doesn't mean that you were solely responsible, but that your actions did impact later events. hence 'at least partially responsible'. i don't entirely view 'at least partially responsible' and 'directly influenced' as like describing different amounts of responsibility in this context

you're acting like i went from 'majorly responsible for menalque's mislynch' to 'partially responsible for menalque's mislynch' when i feel like you're drawing a distinction my words did not have (or at least, did not intend for them to have)

and i wasn't talking about menalque beign emotional, i was talking about *you* being emotional

[skitter30]

Could you explain why I ought to read emps as town? Cause I mean. Maybe I'm bad. I think if I replaced into this slot to shade a universal townread and then get mislynched and then for the universal townread to not get lynched anyway the best way to maybe somehow salvage meaning and value out of this whole experience is to learn about reading emps and however many players intersect venn diagram blobbies with some of his ventricles

my overall feeling on him is that while he as scum has wim to post, he doesn't (or isn't able to) fake-solve

so he posts and posts and posts a lot, but they don't go anywhere, they just kinda are. like his posts make noise but there's very little signal in there

whereas when he's town, he still posts a lot, but there's a general like ~direction~ to his posts, like they're trying to do something and accomplish something. like he's using them to further the game, not just to post to announce that he's around

and in the early part of the game, i felt like his posting was p townie. there was a lot of it, but it wasn't overwhelming and it felt like he was trying to further the game

and after reading his scumgame i feel like his posting here is p different and doesn't really match his scum meta super much

[popsofctown]

oh know i was worried it was going to be "meta"

[skitter30]

:shrug: i use a lot of meta + an understanding of how i believe that player plays/posts/thinks, that's kinda my go-to when i try to sort people

[popsofctown]

Just lynch me and 1v1 teacher then


maybe his gambit of asking to be lynched today gave him enough power for it to be a fair 1v1

[popsofctown]

it wasn't a criticism

[skitter30]

bleh it's kinda hard to read into you asking to be lynched when you just saw me give townpoints to teacher for doing that

[skitter30]

it wasn't a criticism

it read like one

[popsofctown]

no

don't give me townpoints cause i'm minimally invested in the game given I'm a replacement and I'm currently in several other games right now

give him town points because he is heavily engaged in did full read pivots this game and has been playing his postcount meta which would amplify the cost of tossing that away

You'll be really stressed out tomorrow when you have to scumcase that player tomorrow since he's your lowest ranked player for LyLo, I'm pretty sure.

But it's not my problem :hitoshrug:

[popsofctown]

i apologize.

It's just that a meta argument isn't generally applicable to my improvement as a player, so it's like, "aw dang, that explanation is valid but won't help me personally"

If I had also played 3 games with emps before and had come to a different conclusion and then he flipped green here

then

I would have something to learn here but I have never played with him and am not waist deep enough into this one to research

[emps]

i apologize.

It's just that a meta argument isn't generally applicable to my improvement as a player, so it's like, "aw dang, that explanation is valid but won't help me personally"

If I had also played 3 games with emps before and had come to a different conclusion and then he flipped green here

then

I would have something to learn here but I have never played with him and am not waist deep enough into this one to research

no

don't give me townpoints cause i'm minimally invested in the game given I'm a replacement and I'm currently in several other games right now

give him town points because he is heavily engaged in did full read pivots this game and has been playing his postcount meta which would amplify the cost of tossing that away

You'll be really stressed out tomorrow when you have to scumcase that player tomorrow since he's your lowest ranked player for LyLo, I'm pretty sure.

But it's not my problem :hitoshrug:

is the "him" referring to teacher?

[emps]

huh? how did i end up quoting multiple posts? I didnt press the multiquote button i dont think

[popsofctown]

yeh

[emps]

Fark - please get an avi. It is a courtesy version of “facial recognition” for who is writing a post. If you’re not graphically inclined, describe what you might want and I can size it.

I like the new setup too. I think it might encourage tracker claiming. I do encourage all players to wiki their roles, and in general to read the introductory mod post spoiler on the first page.

I like the new setup too. I think it might encourage tracker claiming. I do encourage all players to wiki their roles, and in general to read the introductory mod post spoiler on the first page.

I think it might encourage tracker claiming.

hmmmmmmmmm

I think it might encourage tracker claiming.

[popsofctown]

hoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo i see what you did there

[popsofctown]

I think the post means genuine trackers as town so it's coincidence tho