Alisae V Pine: Trees Apparently Make Good Treestumps

[Firebringer]

bargain: neighbourizer

Pine, if this hasn’t happened yet (as technically chicka hasn’t met their side of the bargain) can I get in on it instead?

why do you want it?

[Pine]

Chickadee take the fruit

Why?

It minimizes Pine's agency.

Pine is the bad guy.

That's confirmed to you in the thread.

This works even in your straightforward "being town and getting something good is enough for me" worldview

take away choices from the bad man

Yes

Please minimize my agency, limit me to only the bespoke choice I crafted specifically to offer you...

Can I like actually win a scumgame before I get upgraded to paranoia scum tier

Guns and Roses 2 was a 1 mislynch game, it can't count.

Trust me, playing in the paranoia scum tier is REALLY annoying...to the point where you have to set up highly-specialized games like this to have a decent scum game.

Can I like actually win a scumgame before I get upgraded to paranoia scum tier

Guns and Roses 2 was a 1 mislynch game, it can't count.

ur upgraded to paranoia tier because regardless you seem to play really well
ur still great to play with

Which is why Ali and I were tripping over one another to invite you, and why you were drafted in the first two rounds this game.

anyways I'm going to leave the thread for a while again to avoid hyperposting unless I'm specifically needed for anything

I have a reads list but I'm avoiding posting it until I see something that I'm waiting for

and to have more reads since I don't have reads on half the playerilst atm

Right now, Firebringer is the only really problematic hyperposter. Ali and I are posting a lot, but not to the point where we feel the need to comment on everything.

Chickadee take the fruit

Why?

It minimizes Pine's agency.

Pine is the bad guy.

That's confirmed to you in the thread.

This works even in your straightforward "being town and getting something good is enough for me" worldview

take away choices from the bad man

VOTE: Firebring

Ok Pine, deal.

And so our bargain is sealed.

bargain: neighbourizer

Pine, if this hasn’t happened yet (as technically chicka hasn’t met their side of the bargain) can I get in on it instead?

Too late, friend. I kind of want scum to get the second fruit, but am willing to bargain. We'll talk in our PT.

I'll probably announce the second fruit in a day or three.

[Menalque]

Because I don’t like chickadee asking for fruit immediately (I think twice because iirc it was her entrance too?), I don’t like how good the bargain pine’s giving her is, neighbouriser is like my favourite power theoretically and yet I never fucking get it

Also, VOTE: xof

Not totally sure I agree with LLD about the not engaging with pine thing but I thought the logic made sense from town because I’d been wondering about the same thing myself

[Alisae]

Because I don’t like chickadee asking for fruit immediately (I think twice because iirc it was her entrance too?), I don’t like how good the bargain pine’s giving her is, neighbouriser is like my favourite power theoretically and yet I never fucking get it

Also, VOTE: xof

Not totally sure I agree with LLD about the not engaging with pine thing but I thought the logic made sense from town because I’d been wondering about the same thing myself

NO
STOP

[Ankamius]

that might be the single most disgusting couple of posts I've seen in a while

[Alisae]

idunno how obvious I need to make it to establish that voting xolelf is not cool

[Menalque]

that might be the single most disgusting couple of posts I've seen in a while

Are you referring to me?

idunno how obvious I need to make it to establish that voting xolelf is not cool

Do you actually think that xof is town or you’re just looking forward to playing with them?

[Alisae]

that might be the single most disgusting couple of posts I've seen in a while

Are you referring to me?

idunno how obvious I need to make it to establish that voting xolelf is not cool

Do you actually think that xof is town or you’re just looking forward to playing with them?

Xof
is
town

[Menalque]

VOTE: chickadee

[chennisden]

VOTE: menalque, he's so fucking opportunistic

[Ankamius]

that might be the single most disgusting couple of posts I've seen in a while

Are you referring to me?

idunno how obvious I need to make it to establish that voting xolelf is not cool

Do you actually think that xof is town or you’re just looking forward to playing with them?

yes.

[popsofctown]

Spoiler: Firebringer townslip

I edited these to post in here:

The fruit are- 7 of them

Watermelon - This fruit makes the user bulletproof for a night but also makes it so they take one less vote to lynch (they aren't informed of this)
Red Apple - This fruit allows a player to use a one shot tracker at night. The downside is that scum will know who you visited. (aren't informed of this)
Banana - This fruit gives user double voting power when eaten. It also tells scum what role they are when eaten. (arent informed of this)
Grapes - This fruit is the informed mechanic. It basically informs the player to what roles aren't present in the game. Pine doesn't want this released to give them freedom in fake claiming
Black Apple - This fruit allows a player to give it to another and kill that player. Pine will probably use this for someone he knows will misfire.
Lime - Tastes bad. Fruit gives you ability to multitask.

This post is a townslip for Firebringer.

Both town Firebringer and scum Firebringer would create this list in an effort to look scummy. That is the way Firebringer plays mafia or something. I don't know.

But only townFirebringer would produce this list, because scumFirebringer would have consulted the scum PT. Would he have faked them or listed them totally inaccurately? I don't know. There is really no telling. His thought processes are literally made of magma.
But whether the list was genuine or fake, they'd be produced conscious of what was in the scum PT. He'd either make all of their flavor correct, or make none of the flavor correct. That's not my assumption based on me expecting scum!Firebringer to go through dramatic machinations to fool us, just what I think would be more cognitively convenient.

But this list is partially aligned with the likely images in the scum PT rather than fully disjoint or fully aligned. Yoshi's Story images would have been the easiest to obtain (we have one already), and it includes a Red Apple, Banana, Watermelon, and Grapes. I checked more carefully for Black Apple, but there's no Black Apples or Limes out there in any of the source games.

Particularly clinching is that Firebringer used the terms "Banana" and "Grapes". The sprite for bananas in Yoshi's Story depicts a bunch of three bananas, rather than just one. And "Grapes" shows he was not just blindly singularizing all of the items. He would have been more likely to say "Bananas"

At the end of the list, he has run out of creativity and used "apple" again, choosing a recolor. It's doubtful Jingle had to resort to any recolors, which would only be applicable for some of the berries in Paper Mario, so recolored fruit wouldn't be on his mind after looking in the PT. It's also doubtful that -even if- Firebringer decided "I'm going to make a list of seven fruits but I'll make some up and some will be real", that he would run out of ideas and need to resort to a recolor. He would have a five fruit head start because at least five of these were really visible in the PT. It is much more difficult if I give you seven minutes to name seven Presidents than it is if I give you seven minutes to name seven Presidents other than Abraham Lincoln, Bill Clinton, Barack Obama, Thomas Jefferson, and Rutherford B. Hayes.

This is probably my strongest townread in the game right now, I have a couple others. Firebringer has also been behaving protown in a couple other ways.

[Alisae]

Spoiler: Firebringer townslip

I edited these to post in here:

The fruit are- 7 of them

Watermelon - This fruit makes the user bulletproof for a night but also makes it so they take one less vote to lynch (they aren't informed of this)
Red Apple - This fruit allows a player to use a one shot tracker at night. The downside is that scum will know who you visited. (aren't informed of this)
Banana - This fruit gives user double voting power when eaten. It also tells scum what role they are when eaten. (arent informed of this)
Grapes - This fruit is the informed mechanic. It basically informs the player to what roles aren't present in the game. Pine doesn't want this released to give them freedom in fake claiming
Black Apple - This fruit allows a player to give it to another and kill that player. Pine will probably use this for someone he knows will misfire.
Lime - Tastes bad. Fruit gives you ability to multitask.

This post is a townslip for Firebringer.

Both town Firebringer and scum Firebringer would create this list in an effort to look scummy. That is the way Firebringer plays mafia or something. I don't know.

But only townFirebringer would produce this list, because scumFirebringer would have consulted the scum PT. Would he have faked them or listed them totally inaccurately? I don't know. There is really no telling. His thought processes are literally made of magma.
But whether the list was genuine or fake, they'd be produced conscious of what was in the scum PT. He'd either make all of their flavor correct, or make none of the flavor correct. That's not my assumption based on me expecting scum!Firebringer to go through dramatic machinations to fool us, just what I think would be more cognitively convenient.

But this list is partially aligned with the likely images in the scum PT rather than fully disjoint or fully aligned. Yoshi's Story images would have been the easiest to obtain (we have one already), and it includes a Red Apple, Banana, Watermelon, and Grapes. I checked more carefully for Black Apple, but there's no Black Apples or Limes out there in any of the source games.

Particularly clinching is that Firebringer used the terms "Banana" and "Grapes". The sprite for bananas in Yoshi's Story depicts a bunch of three bananas, rather than just one. And "Grapes" shows he was not just blindly singularizing all of the items. He would have been more likely to say "Bananas"

At the end of the list, he has run out of creativity and used "apple" again, choosing a recolor. It's doubtful Jingle had to resort to any recolors, which would only be applicable for some of the berries in Paper Mario, so recolored fruit wouldn't be on his mind after looking in the PT. It's also doubtful that -even if- Firebringer decided "I'm going to make a list of seven fruits but I'll make some up and some will be real", that he would run out of ideas and need to resort to a recolor. He would have a five fruit head start because at least five of these were really visible in the PT. It is much more difficult if I give you seven minutes to name seven Presidents than it is if I give you seven minutes to name seven Presidents other than Abraham Lincoln, Bill Clinton, Barack Obama, Thomas Jefferson, and Rutherford B. Hayes.

This is probably my strongest townread in the game right now, I have a couple others. Firebringer has also been behaving protown in a couple other ways.

I disagree with this

[Pine]

Spoiler: Firebringer townslip

I edited these to post in here:

The fruit are- 7 of them

Watermelon - This fruit makes the user bulletproof for a night but also makes it so they take one less vote to lynch (they aren't informed of this)
Red Apple - This fruit allows a player to use a one shot tracker at night. The downside is that scum will know who you visited. (aren't informed of this)
Banana - This fruit gives user double voting power when eaten. It also tells scum what role they are when eaten. (arent informed of this)
Grapes - This fruit is the informed mechanic. It basically informs the player to what roles aren't present in the game. Pine doesn't want this released to give them freedom in fake claiming
Black Apple - This fruit allows a player to give it to another and kill that player. Pine will probably use this for someone he knows will misfire.
Lime - Tastes bad. Fruit gives you ability to multitask.

This post is a townslip for Firebringer.

Both town Firebringer and scum Firebringer would create this list in an effort to look scummy. That is the way Firebringer plays mafia or something. I don't know.

But only townFirebringer would produce this list, because scumFirebringer would have consulted the scum PT. Would he have faked them or listed them totally inaccurately? I don't know. There is really no telling. His thought processes are literally made of magma.
But whether the list was genuine or fake, they'd be produced conscious of what was in the scum PT. He'd either make all of their flavor correct, or make none of the flavor correct. That's not my assumption based on me expecting scum!Firebringer to go through dramatic machinations to fool us, just what I think would be more cognitively convenient.

But this list is partially aligned with the likely images in the scum PT rather than fully disjoint or fully aligned. Yoshi's Story images would have been the easiest to obtain (we have one already), and it includes a Red Apple, Banana, Watermelon, and Grapes. I checked more carefully for Black Apple, but there's no Black Apples or Limes out there in any of the source games.

Particularly clinching is that Firebringer used the terms "Banana" and "Grapes". The sprite for bananas in Yoshi's Story depicts a bunch of three bananas, rather than just one. And "Grapes" shows he was not just blindly singularizing all of the items. He would have been more likely to say "Bananas"

At the end of the list, he has run out of creativity and used "apple" again, choosing a recolor. It's doubtful Jingle had to resort to any recolors, which would only be applicable for some of the berries in Paper Mario, so recolored fruit wouldn't be on his mind after looking in the PT. It's also doubtful that -even if- Firebringer decided "I'm going to make a list of seven fruits but I'll make some up and some will be real", that he would run out of ideas and need to resort to a recolor. He would have a five fruit head start because at least five of these were really visible in the PT. It is much more difficult if I give you seven minutes to name seven Presidents than it is if I give you seven minutes to name seven Presidents other than Abraham Lincoln, Bill Clinton, Barack Obama, Thomas Jefferson, and Rutherford B. Hayes.

This is probably my strongest townread in the game right now, I have a couple others. Firebringer has also been behaving protown in a couple other ways.

I disagree with this

Me too

[Alisae]

Spoiler: Firebringer townslip

I edited these to post in here:

The fruit are- 7 of them

Watermelon - This fruit makes the user bulletproof for a night but also makes it so they take one less vote to lynch (they aren't informed of this)
Red Apple - This fruit allows a player to use a one shot tracker at night. The downside is that scum will know who you visited. (aren't informed of this)
Banana - This fruit gives user double voting power when eaten. It also tells scum what role they are when eaten. (arent informed of this)
Grapes - This fruit is the informed mechanic. It basically informs the player to what roles aren't present in the game. Pine doesn't want this released to give them freedom in fake claiming
Black Apple - This fruit allows a player to give it to another and kill that player. Pine will probably use this for someone he knows will misfire.
Lime - Tastes bad. Fruit gives you ability to multitask.

This post is a townslip for Firebringer.

Both town Firebringer and scum Firebringer would create this list in an effort to look scummy. That is the way Firebringer plays mafia or something. I don't know.

But only townFirebringer would produce this list, because scumFirebringer would have consulted the scum PT. Would he have faked them or listed them totally inaccurately? I don't know. There is really no telling. His thought processes are literally made of magma.
But whether the list was genuine or fake, they'd be produced conscious of what was in the scum PT. He'd either make all of their flavor correct, or make none of the flavor correct. That's not my assumption based on me expecting scum!Firebringer to go through dramatic machinations to fool us, just what I think would be more cognitively convenient.

But this list is partially aligned with the likely images in the scum PT rather than fully disjoint or fully aligned. Yoshi's Story images would have been the easiest to obtain (we have one already), and it includes a Red Apple, Banana, Watermelon, and Grapes. I checked more carefully for Black Apple, but there's no Black Apples or Limes out there in any of the source games.

Particularly clinching is that Firebringer used the terms "Banana" and "Grapes". The sprite for bananas in Yoshi's Story depicts a bunch of three bananas, rather than just one. And "Grapes" shows he was not just blindly singularizing all of the items. He would have been more likely to say "Bananas"

At the end of the list, he has run out of creativity and used "apple" again, choosing a recolor. It's doubtful Jingle had to resort to any recolors, which would only be applicable for some of the berries in Paper Mario, so recolored fruit wouldn't be on his mind after looking in the PT. It's also doubtful that -even if- Firebringer decided "I'm going to make a list of seven fruits but I'll make some up and some will be real", that he would run out of ideas and need to resort to a recolor. He would have a five fruit head start because at least five of these were really visible in the PT. It is much more difficult if I give you seven minutes to name seven Presidents than it is if I give you seven minutes to name seven Presidents other than Abraham Lincoln, Bill Clinton, Barack Obama, Thomas Jefferson, and Rutherford B. Hayes.

This is probably my strongest townread in the game right now, I have a couple others. Firebringer has also been behaving protown in a couple other ways.

I disagree with this

Me too

I'm glad we can agree on something!

[Pink Ball]

Am I obvtown enough to start building our mighty townbloc?

The whole scumteam is not posting while you guys scumread each other's asses, noobs.

Only exception is Gamma.

Alisae, fearing the worst, (...)

[/color]

Well, that was easy.

VOTE: the worst

Pink Ball gut town

CHENNISDEN WHY AREN'T YOU PUSHING ME DADDY

[chennisden]

Pine its nothing personal but im putting flipped scum on ignore

[Alisae]

The whole scumteam is not posting while you guys scumread each other's asses, noobs.

disagree

[chennisden]

Am I obvtown enough to start building our mighty townbloc?

The whole scumteam is not posting while you guys scumread each other's asses, noobs.

Only exception is Gamma.

Alisae, fearing the worst, (...)

[/color]

Well, that was easy.

VOTE: the worst

Pink Ball gut town

CHENNISDEN WHY AREN'T YOU PUSHING ME DADDY

Sorry, I'm not into that

[Pink Ball]

The whole scumteam is not posting while you guys scumread each other's asses, noobs.

disagree

Because of Fire daddy?

[Pink Ball]

CHENNISDEN WHY AREN'T YOU PUSHING ME DADDY

Sorry, I'm not into that[/quote]
Are you playing hard to get?

'Cause it's working.

[Ankamius]

I'd be shocked if the scumteam was mostly in the least active players

[Pink Ball]

Whoops fucked up that quote and now it looks like you're going on through a phase

[Alisae]

The whole scumteam is not posting while you guys scumread each other's asses, noobs.

disagree

Because of Fire daddy?

fire za waursto jjh and maybe pops

[Gamma Emerald]

According to my dossier, you are solitary, highly skilled, enigmatic, and opaque to read. You're a bulldog, tenacious, and you have the audacity to pull off (frankly) epic gambits.

Seems like an oversell...
Also, not really gonna read the rest of this yet