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Post Post #2275 (ISO) » Sun Sep 08, 2019 3:37 pm

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In post 2271, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:I think Gobble’s role doesn’t make any sense with mailman or his modifier.
I think it doesn't make sense in a 9 player game period given how it may never even be used. N3? That's weird.

Why claik that as scum? There's plenty more reasonable fake claims he could have made.
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Post Post #2276 (ISO) » Sun Sep 08, 2019 3:55 pm

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I’m not opposing anything because my lynch isn’t close to happening. What I have done is amounted your reasoning for scum reading me to my predecessor and the belief that I’m lurking. I can’t speak for my predecessor but not once you have accused me active lurking which is a lot worse than someone who just isn’t here half the time. You even acknowledged that I would play like this as town. It just seems like you more focused on wanting be right in as opposed to trying to understand if I would play like this as scum.

Why would town claim it? There’s no possible way for it be discovered so claiming it only incentives town to doubt and want to lynch you due to it being potentially negative utility here.
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Post Post #2277 (ISO) » Sun Sep 08, 2019 3:56 pm

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And it’s not just the claim. Gobble has done zero scum hunting. His entire ISO is just mechanics and style.
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Post Post #2278 (ISO) » Sun Sep 08, 2019 4:08 pm

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If scum you just claim n2 bodyguard and keep icon alive.

I just don't understand why scum claim that.

I don't think you're playing at all honestly, and your slot is not one I want if there is a lylo. Hell even gobble has more to play off than you do now.

Yes you could be doing this as town (I'll be incredibly disappointed) but just because that's a possibility doesn't mean it's true. You could easily do this as scum calso.
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Post Post #2279 (ISO) » Sun Sep 08, 2019 4:18 pm

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In post 2277, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:And it’s not just the claim. Gobble has done zero scum hunting. His entire ISO is just mechanics and style.
Gobble did review the game and provided us with his "mechanics" of sort.
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Post Post #2280 (ISO) » Sun Sep 08, 2019 4:21 pm

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I've never accused you of active lurking because you're lacking the active part.

Why would you use a statement like that to defend yourself? I can engage with an active lurker by mentioning them. I can't engage with you unless I'm lucky.
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Post Post #2281 (ISO) » Sun Sep 08, 2019 4:22 pm

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More focused on "wanting to be right as opposed to if you'd play like this as scum"

What does this mean exactly?

Being right is my top priority.
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Post Post #2282 (ISO) » Sun Sep 08, 2019 4:30 pm

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In post 2262, Klick wrote: I'm falling on LUV/Luca as a team and I think it makes a fair amount of sense. Luca's read on LUV has flip-flopped enough that I'm not sold on it being coherent.
To believe me and Uzi are a scumteam, you would have to believe that Billy was bussing me on D1 following Ali's replace in. His vote was third on my wagon, and was effectively an L-1 vote given Datisi, who was not on my wagon, was definitely going to vote me at that time as we were at loggerheads. Billy completely sided with Alisae against me when there would have been no need to given the obvious flaws in his arguments, and entirely dismissed my explanation for my Datisi vote, which was the main reason I was being suspected D1. Bearing in mind Billy's lack of experience and the lack of Mafia day chat, it should reason enough to believe Uzi and I aren't the scum team.

I have flip-flopped on my Billy/Uzi read, as I have on just about every slot in this game at some point. I came to the conclusion Uzi is probably town for the same reasons you did - looking back at Billy's reactions to the tests, I do believe they were genuine. I have enough reason to doubt this slot is scum that I don't want Uzi lynched today.
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Post Post #2283 (ISO) » Sun Sep 08, 2019 4:35 pm

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In post 2278, Tchill13 wrote:If scum you just claim n2 bodyguard and keep icon alive.

I just don't understand why scum claim that.

I don't think you're playing at all honestly, and your slot is not one I want if there is a lylo. Hell even gobble has more to play off than you do now.

Yes you could be doing this as town (I'll be incredibly disappointed) but just because that's a possibility doesn't mean it's true. You could easily do this as scum calso.
What review? The one in which he broke down our activity?

Why aren’t I’m playing?
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Post Post #2284 (ISO) » Sun Sep 08, 2019 4:36 pm

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What are your other reassessments Luca.
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Post Post #2285 (ISO) » Sun Sep 08, 2019 4:37 pm

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Yes he did an activity breakdown.

Why aren't you playing? Why are. You asking me that?
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Post Post #2286 (ISO) » Sun Sep 08, 2019 4:38 pm

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I'm getting there, Tchill.

I've Just returned and am reading through again now. I don't want Icon or Uzi lynched today, so I'll be looking at Klick, Tchill, Datisi and Gobble.
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Post Post #2287 (ISO) » Sun Sep 08, 2019 4:39 pm

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In post 2280, Tchill13 wrote:I've never accused you of active lurking because you're lacking the active part.

Why would you use a statement like that to defend yourself? I can engage with an active lurker by mentioning them. I can't engage with you unless I'm lucky.
I used that statement because the crux of your argument is that I’m lurking. Active lurking is actually more scummy than just not being here. Fluffy posts and appearing like one is helping while being active tends to get more eyes raised than someone who constantly is getting prodded.

You can engage with me, you just want me to play at your pace. I don’t have the time or energy for that anymore as town.
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Post Post #2288 (ISO) » Sun Sep 08, 2019 4:39 pm

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In post 2285, Tchill13 wrote:Yes he did an activity breakdown.

Why aren't you playing? Why are. You asking me that?
Dude I’m asking you why you think I’m not playing lol
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Post Post #2289 (ISO) » Sun Sep 08, 2019 4:46 pm

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In post 2281, Tchill13 wrote:More focused on "wanting to be right as opposed to if you'd play like this as scum"

What does this mean exactly?

Being right is my top priority.
It’s human nature to want to be right. After all, if you aren’t right, it follows that you are wrong. Right? Who wants to be wrong? No one. Yet, the need to be right can get you into a lot of tight spots. And it’s an approach that won’t help you change anything. Instead, it keeps you stuck. And that’s where you’re with me right now.

Stuck on the fact that I haven’t been as active as everyone else. Stuck on the initial gut read you had on my predecessor.
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Post Post #2290 (ISO) » Sun Sep 08, 2019 4:47 pm

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Spoiler:
In post 2158, Datisi wrote:
In post 1998, Klick wrote:For reference, here's a decent summary of my townreads:
In post 1960, Klick wrote:Icon is town. This game doesn't have just a Night 3 Bodyguard for town power, and I'm not going to believe any further claims.
I'm pretty sold on the fact that the A50 slot is town, especially after gobble's claim. A50's play/replace-out straight-up just doesn't make sense as scum.
Billy didn't know that scum didn't have daytalk. And even if he did successfully fool us with that, I don't think he would have replaced out (and continued to be active on-site, at that).
You [Tchill] didn't realise Icon claimed Cop D1. You also came away from that whole situation with a townread on Icon, and I struggle to see that coming from scum.
With Luca, I can't say things are as solid. But he feels like town, especially today. He's made logical conclusions that would also be rather inconvenient for him to make as scum. (why immediately lean town on Icon's actions today? why buy into my poorly-explained reasoning for townreading A50/LUV? it's not necessary.)
Okay, here's the problems I have with your reads. They all seem weak and forced. They all seem to be based on reasoning that can easily be thrown away upon my Green flip. From my pov, I can see scum!Klick giving out reads like these, TRing everyone other than the lynchbait in order to avoid associates. And once his sole SR flips Green, he can easily throw away any TR (other than Icon, who likely won't even live to see Day 3) he needs to and then not seem suspicious.

"A50 wouldn't have replaced out if he was scum." Not buying that. I can buy the slot cc'ing itself being NAI (if A50 was realy that spiteful), but not as a Town thing. And you were literally the one to call out A50's play in , and . You don't get to call out his play as scummy and then later say that his play doesn't make sense from scum!A50.

Billy's TR's main reasoning is that he didn't know about the daytalk, and that scum wouldn't replace out where he did. I've asked you if the fact Ali called out a LUV/Luca team makes you reconsider, you said a bit then dropped it. Again, I'm not buying replacements as an AI thing, and I believe scum!Billy would've been able to pass that Towntest. LUV hasn't done anything to be TR fmpov, and you said so when you agreed that most of the TR is Billy's play.

Tchill didn't realize Icon claimed cop Day 1. This is such weak reasoning that can easily be thrown away by "oh guess he didn't see it in scum PT", especially if you start pushing A50 as his partner (since scum!A50 could've not even told him about that, because he's so spiteful). And what else is there to do than to get away from the situation TRing Icon? He was the sole claimed PR. The fact that Tchill came away from that TRing Icon is NAI imo.

Luca "feels" Town. Again, a read that could easily be thrown away if need be. Btw, Luca did an assessment of Billy in , and concluded that Billy's play was more null than Town. And you never even challenged him on that, even though you did later say that Billy was obvtown. In fact, neither of you challenged each other there (already asked Luca that in ).


I like this post from Datisi, I feel as though she is displaying a townie mindset and raising some fair points against Klick. I can understand where her suspicion is coming from now.
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Post Post #2291 (ISO) » Sun Sep 08, 2019 4:55 pm

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Klick's response in also feels Townie. I'm having a hard time seeing Klick being scum, which leaves me in a tight spot as the only two remaining players are Tchill and Gobble.

I'm going to keep reading with an open mind, however.
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Post Post #2292 (ISO) » Sun Sep 08, 2019 5:00 pm

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In post 2175, Klick wrote: Why would I push for a massclaim in the first place here? Icon could have just been lynched. Me, Luca, Tchill, A50. The votes were there at one point.
Are you suggesting that I was willing to vote Icon? Because this was never the case.
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Post Post #2293 (ISO) » Sun Sep 08, 2019 6:12 pm

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In post 2182, gobbledygook wrote:Iconeum can attest to its success in our recent game together.
You mean that game where you incorrectly determined I was scum based on that chart, right? That game? You had like a 50% success average which is like actually terrible to base anything on.
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Post Post #2294 (ISO) » Sun Sep 08, 2019 6:15 pm

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In post 2182, gobbledygook wrote:For these reasons, I believe this should be our kill order {LUV, Datisi, Luca Blight, Klick, Tchill13} with the scum team more than likely being LUV/Datisi.VOTE: LUV
You decide to vote when you have caught up to about 25% of the game and flow charts that can be replaced by flipping a coin for equal success? Flow charts that are skewed because activity =/= allignment. You clear 2 slots because they are active, and completely ignore the fact they had 'positive' lines because they were in a huge discussion (i'm not pushing either of Klick or Tchill with this, just questioning the reads from gobble).

20 pages so you have seen exactly zero of the actual content of this game

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Post Post #2295 (ISO) » Sun Sep 08, 2019 6:17 pm

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In post 2194, gobbledygook wrote:Because they aren’t enjoying the game. Why aren’t they enjoying the game? Because they are possibly scum.
Because some players just don't like having to read a crap ton of new pages as either allignment? Are you actually saying only scum cannot enjoy the game?
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Post Post #2296 (ISO) » Sun Sep 08, 2019 6:18 pm

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Icon please vote LUV. For the luv of all that is good... Hehe.

No seriously. We need a flip. Luv is a better lynch than datisi. Idc what gobble's reasons for voting luv is.
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Post Post #2297 (ISO) » Sun Sep 08, 2019 6:18 pm

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And it's sad that gobble's idea is getting shit on.

Either conform to the masses or be burned at the stake I guess.
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Post Post #2298 (ISO) » Sun Sep 08, 2019 6:19 pm

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In post 2296, Tchill13 wrote:Icon please vote LUV. For the luv of all that is good... Hehe.

No seriously. We need a flip. Luv is a better lynch than datisi. Idc what gobble's reasons for voting luv is.
catching up will decide afterwards
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Post Post #2299 (ISO) » Sun Sep 08, 2019 6:27 pm

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In post 2198, Tchill13 wrote:I want datisi lynched first because the majority of players are calling her scum and the content she's provided leads me to believe she could actually be scum.
oh the old 'if everyone says something it must be true'. Like when everyone was saying the earth was flat, yeah?
In post 2206, gobbledygook wrote:Probably path of least resistance for some he already sees as having high scum equity, but I’ll let him answer
mmhmm
In post 2208, gobbledygook wrote:Page 50ish
this dude… Actually I think he believes he is solving the game. He's probably not scum I just really dislike the way he plays the game, similar to what Tchill probably thinks of me.
In post 2210, Tchill13 wrote:
In post 2205, Datisi wrote:
In post 2198, Tchill13 wrote:I want datisi lynched first
because the majority of players are calling her scum
and the content she's provided leads me to believe she could actually be scum.
Btw what's up with this?
When a majority calls someone town or scum it's usually true isn't it? I thought that was a common thing on site.
Ehh wat?
In post 2246, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:I’m fine lynching in Datisi, Gobble, and Iconeum today. I need to reread this Day 2 to really solidify or disconfirm my dislike of tchill’s play today.
Oh this is stronk read! Let's lynch in a pool that contains BOTH claimed PR's!
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