Alisae V Pine: Trees Apparently Make Good Treestumps

[Ankamius]

Yeah Menalque, you'd done nothing other than what I was pushing you for

That was kind of the point.

[Ankamius]

Actually, I'm just going to drop it and assume that you're struggling to see outside of your own perspective

I'm assuming that Alisae has a better idea of how you play than I do

[Menalque]

I feel like your uncertainty and SR on me makes sense from your point of view. I hadn't fully explained myself and I can see how people could be confused about 1022. I think your behaviour indicates that you have a degree of uncertainty about your read which is normal from town D1 and your interactions with me seem to be from someone trying to get into my head and see where I'm coming from i.e. someone trying to actually sort me. You might end up wrong, but I still think the way you're going through the process is towny.

Ank, on the other hand, has just doubled down and isn't displaying any of the uncertainty I would expect from town, especially someone who apparently got to a SR on me based on my entire play of 3 posts at the time that happened. The degree of certainty from that point is strange to me. It's not necessarily scum, but given limited information at this point in the game it makes me happier with calling Ank scum for now because I don't think others are much scummier

also I actually forgot to do this VOTE: ank

still think chicka is bad but now I think ank's worse

[Menalque]

I will also drop it because I think we're approaching the point of this dominating the thread for ~2 pages and I'd like to see conversation about other stuff

[Ankamius]

Nice you found one of my town tells

[Gamma Emerald]

I mean that I'm an easy target because I'm behind

but you posting stuff that pinged me, has nothing to do with you being behind?

The things that pinged you seem to be originating from that root cause.

[Gamma Emerald]

I mean that I'm an easy target because I'm behind

but you posting stuff that pinged me, has nothing to do with you being behind?

You quoted a post, say you townread it. Then you come back and go 'hey i was only kidding i'm totally scumreading that post'. Then you put Maria as nullscum but you don't engage or anything over it. Feels to me like posting reads for the sake of posting reads and not wanting to get stuck with a townread you can't hold up.

Saying I posted this because you are an easy target for being behind is bleh.

I didn't see any mention of it. I have MariaR as nullscum because while I don't really like that reaction it's just one thing. Read obviously subject to change when I finish catching up.

[Dannflor]

I'm also confused how people glossed over menalque basically throwing my scumread of him under the "she didn't see the town thought process and that makes her scum" when his 'town thought process' was basically "chickadee did the same thing I did except she's scum for it because pine gave her an easy bargain and she accepted it" and completely ignored that if you suddenly show up out of nowhere and do exactly what you just criticize someone else for, it looks sketchy and hypocritical

Except he didn't just do that for everyone that scum read him (eg. MariaR), which makes me think it's not just scum being like "hey ppl who scum read me are doing it for the WRONG REASONS BLARHGHSHEBG" — it was just you

[Dannflor]

How about love?

PB I love you

[the worst]

Menalque Ankamius is doubling down. Either:

- This is a fake read she doesn't believe in and she is faking because she's scum => why is she doing this? I don't think she's going to mislynch you as scum here and shading you rn only makes you look unassociated, it's fairly unlikely to cause a shiny shiny day ending lynch. If you're town and think she's scum what makes you think her take on you is fake?

- She's town, thinks you're scum and hasn't seen anything which convinces her otherwise.

For context I've just seen scum!Ank powerscummung to push a townie in another game. I have pretty fresh meta of Ank pushing someone in argumentative bad faith because she wanted him mislynched. Her approach to you here feels a lot more earnest and organic than it did there; either she's scumming well or this is town!Ank. I'm happy to be convinced either way, but I suspect you're maybe voting her for frustrating you--could you have another think about this?

[Dannflor]

- are mislynch bait so we shouldn't push you

this but unironically

I understand Ank and TW's push now

but the reflexive OMGUS scum reads feel more like newbie thought processes to me than anything else

I will reread Menalque tonight and see if my tone read changes at all

[Dannflor]

oh nvm he's just scum reading Ank

[Dannflor]

Her approach to you here feels a lot more earnest and organic than it did there; either she's scumming well or this is town!Ank. I'm happy to be convinced either way, but I suspect you're maybe voting her for frustrating you--could you have another think about this?

ooh yay I'm town reading the worst now

[the worst]

Dann have you played with scum!gazer much?

pedit: two townreads in one day goml

[Dannflor]

Dann have you played with scum!gazer much?

pedit: two townreads in one day goml

only in Undertale if I remember, where she was much more active

I don't really know how to even try to read her presence in this game

[Ankamius]

Duckling, remember that I play very differently on Blake as either alignment. Referencing meta from my Blake games are going to be minimally useful to you on games I'm playing on this account.

[the worst]

I'm wary of that (trying a reversed meta tell on Blake gave false positive to a towntell). It's a specific mindset type thing which I'm looking for and not seeing - think of it as a more holistic scum meta tell for the type of skillset Ankamius and Blake have, rather than necessarily an individual Alyssa meta tell.

Mostly just using it as a convo opener w/ Menalque because slipping in behind his eyeballs would be pretty valuable to me atm

[Aristophanes]

Ive read the last few pages and didn't glean as much as I'd have hoped. I think Imma Iso dive as it's my preferred method and see how many ppl I can cover.

Any recommendations of who to start with? If not it'll be the people I didn't list as having a read on in some way yesterday.

[Ankamius]

Idk ari, I'm in a midzone myself

Duckling is there anything you feel you need more thought put into? I brink I want to jam later on while the day is still not in danger of being rushed

[the worst]

Idk ari, I'm in a midzone myself

Duckling is there anything you feel you need more thought put into? I brink I want to jam later on while the day is still not in danger of being rushed

yeah thoughts on Skyg so far?

[the worst]

Actually a bit nervous about LLD. I kinda get she's doing LLD things and the xofcase gets the game firing in a way that I am never surprised to see LLD do but it's also kind of just.... noise.... like I am aware she doesn't expect anyone ever to take that case seriously and I'm not sure it's actually productive/does anything to solve the game

very much consistent with LLD scum m.o. but I think I can also see it come from LLD who saw something and wanted to kick up some noise about it to get a conversation going. but it was way too soon and not conducive to a valuable conversation so did she do it just to look like she's solving the game?

food for thought. I'm scared of LLD so I'll observe cautiously.

[the worst]

Actually just had another scroll through her ISO and fuckit
VOTE: jjh

[Ankamius]

Idk ari, I'm in a midzone myself

Duckling is there anything you feel you need more thought put into? I brink I want to jam later on while the day is still not in danger of being rushed

yeah thoughts on Skyg so far?

Seems like standard Skygazer town stuff but I know she's been very busy lately so that doesn't mean a whole lot

[Chickadee]

Why does that make chickadee town? It could make her town but it could just as easily make her scum if she knows people will think that doing something to make her an easy target makes her towny for not caring about it

Again, I didn’t do exactly what she did because you’re eliminating any context, which is a misrep and it’s why I SR you. Either you’re intentionally ignoring context which is scummy, or you’re being dumb town. Atm I think scum is more likely because I explained my thought process and you barely even considered it. By your own logic, if making yourself open to being a target is towny, you should at least be having major doubts about me. But you’re behaving weirdly certain for D1.

I'm trying to stay up to speed guys. I'm sick and I keep coming back to 5 or 6 pages, and by time I get caught up I'm dead tired again.

So I'm gonna post a last reads list with little to no commentary, and maybe we can talk about points of it later. K? K

Incoming. Gimme a few minutes.

[Chickadee]

Oh I meant to comment on that quote...It can wait.