Project ARCH - Epilogue

[KidAmn]

Prod dodge. Having a bad mental health day. Don't like that RP basically disappeared while all the discussion of potential scum who aren't him happened.

[CloudKicker]

So CK, you have me as clear and you proved ali isnt simotech, i proved ali isnt aeon. What are your reads right now.

Nothing is proved, just conjectures & you are correct that you are the TR I decide not to second guess until lylo

My reads is that I think you are town by claim and play.

I think alisae’s pred in both RCS and Rain has a few posts I think comes from town. Theres also good reasons associations wise to believe she isnt either aeon or simo, but its much weaker than the town posts from preds
I think theres a case to be made on both RCs and Rain start but both of them eventually were towntelling left and eight. So the odds of alisae being mafia is meh.
I think Alisae visit on you makes 0 damnest sens; it would requires me to suspend my commonsens to believe she went on you over tracker/masons and that she didnt know your claim before going on you. The least you can do when you BG someone (even if you hard tr them) is to know their role, you couldve been pgo for all she knows.
IMO this is a lie; so if shes town, I am thinking she might be another role.

Mechanically, Alisae is the only slots that make sens;
- I am solo Johnson & I claimed 2nd after bambi so It couldnt be planned to claim an unclaimed family to look town. Flavors says 1 brother is mafia (will grant,flipped aeon) & the other tries to stop them and has guilt (rebel).
I claimed my role card name after bambi so i couldnt just make up the name by copying bambi’s family name if you think I planned to go for that flavor clear
I am also BP by claim. I think a bp can work in aeon with the strongman but I showed consistent and systematic non team agenda with aeon.
I am also a bad lynch because you can safely assume lynching last simo clears me via association

RP outed first the existence of Aeon, not a move expected from scum in a multiball, maybe from simo? But that puts a target on them
I find it hard to believe his neihgbors ability works different than the rest, but again theres no pure investigative from town yet and it could be a strong high risk/high reward gamble.
I think his tone is pretty town and has been consistently (i can be wrong)
He can prove his visit everynight so hes a low priority lynch. That being said, you bring an amazing point in that its only specified scum cant multitaks a factional kill, so it might not be as useful as I though it could be
Theres has been a good few votes parked on them today and some of those are quite scummy like Alisae’s

Masons; about the changing alignement, i explained my opinion on this, i dont think its worth considering today.

Kidamn; i read some of his previous game as town, i think hes extremely weaker than he can be and i fosed them early on. I trust gamma and yourself townreads him in the outcast PT.
Mechanically I think the role makes no sens from a design pov, but it works flavor wise. Still a stupid role, hard to believe. I could see him being traitor or something.

Bambi; he’s proven track. He showed inconsistent POV from a macho standpoint when he implied Alisae BGing him would be auto win or something. I think he showed ungenuine behavior early game. Later on, i think he made better posts but somehow I still think everything he has done can be coming from scum.
Even his unvote on RP felt forced and opportunistic. The arsonist theory is a pretty good one but I am not sure I believe his reaction about it
About his claim; again theres no flipped town investigative. Masons normally can replace town investigative in some ways, a 2-p masonery seems weak for a 19p table, I dont think it could replace all the expexted TI.

Thats where I am at;
I am never considering Sakura/Masons today
I think alisae is the best lynch mechanically
I think RP is the worst lynch mechanically
I am unsatisfied with alisae/bambi lynch
I could vote RP/Kid/Alisae today

[CloudKicker]

Prod dodge. Having a bad mental health day. Don't like that RP basically disappeared while all the discussion of potential scum who aren't him happened.

RP’s posting pattern never changed

[CloudKicker]

The serum consumption Bambi has claimed so far seems to matchup with the serum they've gained, assuming they're telling the truth about their upkeep, and probably they are, as any less would make their ability op and said ability's been proven iirc?.
So probably not Bambi .
Hmm.

Dammit im back to thinking RP Aeon / CK Simotech.
Or maybe whoever was Aeon became Simotech after Primate's lynch.
All evidence except last night's point towards Ali town. But Ali town means where the fuck did the nightkill go.

You think I am defending him because mafia joined? I showed more than once I townread him (and vice versa) much before day4

[CloudKicker]

If nothing changes, I am would lynch Alisae for the sake of the visit and that BG on BP is unbelievable

[Rautherdir]

If nothing changes, I am would lynch Alisae for the sake of the visit and that BG on BP is unbelievable

A BG swapping their guard between their two highest town reads is believable though.

I think it could be safe to say that the kill went nowhere due to scum not being able to multitask though. Or even just for confusion to get players to doubt their reads.

[CloudKicker]

If nothing changes, I am would lynch Alisae for the sake of the visit and that BG on BP is unbelievable

A BG swapping their guard between their two highest town reads is believable though.

I think it could be safe to say that the kill went nowhere due to scum not being able to multitask though. Or even just for confusion to get players to doubt their reads.

Not with masons and track alive. Its never okay to BG a BP jeez, it only means the BG dies while BP wouldnt have died himself + you can assume mafia gunning for BP would most likely plan it and use a strongman, making the BG on BP even more fucking stupid

[Rautherdir]

If nothing changes, I am would lynch Alisae for the sake of the visit and that BG on BP is unbelievable

A BG swapping their guard between their two highest town reads is believable though.

I think it could be safe to say that the kill went nowhere due to scum not being able to multitask though. Or even just for confusion to get players to doubt their reads.

Not with masons and track alive. Its never okay to BG a BP jeez, it only means the BG dies while BP wouldnt have died himself + you can assume mafia gunning for BP would most likely plan it and use a strongman, making the BG on BP even more fucking stupid

To be fair, as far as Alisae knew Sakura wasn't going to use her BP and save it for later.

[CloudKicker]

If nothing changes, I am would lynch Alisae for the sake of the visit and that BG on BP is unbelievable

A BG swapping their guard between their two highest town reads is believable though.

I think it could be safe to say that the kill went nowhere due to scum not being able to multitask though. Or even just for confusion to get players to doubt their reads.

Not with masons and track alive. Its never okay to BG a BP jeez, it only means the BG dies while BP wouldnt have died himself + you can assume mafia gunning for BP would most likely plan it and use a strongman, making the BG on BP even more fucking stupid

To be fair, as far as Alisae knew Sakura wasn't going to use her BP and save it for later.

Thats fucking BS and you know it, still 2 masons to be on when you arent sure if BP will BP

[CloudKicker]

Think about it; BG is weak doc, BP is self doc. Why would you go one someone who can protect himself better than you do? Why not go on masons claims that cant protect themselves? Sakura was not even a reasonable kill target (which is why i asked her to not bp)

Imo she visited sakura for something else, scum or town

[Rautherdir]

I'm just going to say that the only reason people town-read me is because I'm a mason with Dunnstral. Me dying only proves Dunnstral is town so it isn't a move scum would do. Alisae has been protecting Dunnstral consistently throughout the game, her statement that she wanted to switch things up does make sense. While Bambi is a tracker, Bambi also is somewhat likely to be reserved for lynch instead of night kill. Sakura is the next best option.

[CloudKicker]

I'm just going to say that the only reason people town-read me is because I'm a mason with Dunnstral. Me dying only proves Dunnstral is town so it isn't a move scum would do. Alisae has been protecting Dunnstral consistently throughout the game, her statement that she wanted to switch things up does make sense. While Bambi is a tracker, Bambi also is somewhat likely to be reserved for lynch instead of night kill. Sakura is the next best option.

No, if anything last night was the most likely night where a mason shot would happen, no one shoots mason early game with investigatives in play.

What is your case on sakura?

[Rautherdir]

KidAmn is not a powerful role or a strong town player. Alisae didn't strongly townread you. Bambi was still in a situation where scum could try to get her mislynched. Dunnstral was 'protected' by way of Alisae having done so consistently beforehand. My death would only make Dunnstral conf-town for a day or two. RedPanda was going to be today's lynch. Bodyguard can't (and should never even if they can) self-target.

Alisae had two valid options to protect in her position, Dunnstral and Sakura. She decided to protect Sakura.

[CloudKicker]

KidAmn is not a powerful role or a strong town player. Alisae didn't strongly townread you. Bambi was still in a situation where scum could try to get her mislynched. Dunnstral was 'protected' by way of Alisae having done so consistently beforehand. My death would only make Dunnstral conf-town for a day or two. RedPanda was going to be today's lynch. Bodyguard can't (and should never even if they can) self-target.

Alisae had two valid options to protect in her position, Dunnstral and Sakura. She decided to protect Sakura.

Dude shes BP do you even get it? BG on BP makes their whole role invalid and ineffective, it makes 0 damn sens how you try to spin it

[CloudKicker]

Like in a vacuum its better to no visit than go on BG because w/ a strongman its 2 town kills

[CloudKicker]

BP*

[Rautherdir]

KidAmn is not a powerful role or a strong town player. Alisae didn't strongly townread you. Bambi was still in a situation where scum could try to get her mislynched. Dunnstral was 'protected' by way of Alisae having done so consistently beforehand. My death would only make Dunnstral conf-town for a day or two. RedPanda was going to be today's lynch. Bodyguard can't (and should never even if they can) self-target.

Alisae had two valid options to protect in her position, Dunnstral and Sakura. She decided to protect Sakura.

Dude shes BP do you even get it? BG on BP makes their whole role invalid and ineffective, it makes 0 damn sens how you try to spin it

Yes, Sakura is effectively a x-shot BP. You had told Sakura not to use BP. Since you were calling shots at the end of the day, I find it reasonable to believe that Alisae decided to make sure Sakura would survive if scum decided to shoot Sakura for being 'unprotected'

Also, a Simotech strongman died, and in a Aeon even-night killing scenario it was Simotech's night to kill. In an Aeon-has-no-nightkill world, Aeon doesn't have a strongman. Either way that shouldn't have been a consideration.

[CloudKicker]

Still doesnt explain BG ever going on BP, its not like sakura was out of serum and she scumread me the whole game during, there was no guarantee she would ever listen to me even if she agreed in thread.

Lets say we just disagree, who is mafia then?

[Rautherdir]

Still doesnt explain BG ever going on BP, its not like sakura was out of serum and she scumread me the whole game during, there was no guarantee she would ever listen to me even if she agreed in thread.

Lets say we just disagree, who is mafia then?

RedPanda is probably the last Aeon. I don't think it's important to hunt the last Simotech when Aeon can be caught from a pool.

Also, since when do you never bodyguard an x-shot BP? Full BP, sure. X-shot that says they are using a shot, sure. X-shot that hasn't said anything about using a shot or not? That's up to the bodyguard to decide if the BP is important enough to protect.

[CloudKicker]

Still doesnt explain BG ever going on BP, its not like sakura was out of serum and she scumread me the whole game during, there was no guarantee she would ever listen to me even if she agreed in thread.

Lets say we just disagree, who is mafia then?

RedPanda is probably the last Aeon. I don't think it's important to hunt the last Simotech when Aeon can be caught from a pool.

Also, since when do you never bodyguard an x-shot BP? Full BP, sure. X-shot that says they are using a shot, sure. X-shot that hasn't said anything about using a shot or not? That's up to the bodyguard to decide if the BP is important enough to protect.

Lets just say we disagree on the BG/BP stuff because I expressed my point and you dont see it

Why do you think RP is aeon? What is your case. Saying hes mafia it not enough

[Rautherdir]

I believe one of the remaining corporations with 4 claims (Securipal and WNGD) probably has an Aeon fake-claiming to be one of them. The pool of players that applies to is Bambi Jay, Alisae, Sakura Hana, and RedPanda. Out of all of those players I believe RedPanda to be the most likely to be scum.

I believe Alisae to be a bodyguard, which I doubt would be a scum role in this game.
Bambi Jay changed their corporation claim which put them inside of the pool, and is also town's only investigative.
I see no reason to suspect Sakura Hana of being scum. (Relying on Dunnstral's read on Sakura here)
RedPanda has done nothing to make me believe they are town.

[CloudKicker]

I believe one of the remaining corporations with 4 claims (Securipal and WNGD) probably has an Aeon fake-claiming to be one of them. The pool of players that applies to is Bambi Jay, Alisae, Sakura Hana, and RedPanda. Out of all of those players I believe RedPanda to be the most likely to be scum.

I believe Alisae to be a bodyguard, which I doubt would be a scum role in this game.
Bambi Jay changed their corporation claim which put them inside of the pool, and is also town's only investigative.
I see no reason to suspect Sakura Hana of being scum. (Relying on Dunnstral's read on Sakura here)
RedPanda has done nothing to make me believe they are town.

You think RP would out his own faction himself like D1 as aeon?

[Rautherdir]

Also, RedPanda claimed Aeon traitor in a private thread with Fish Monger. Which would explain your contention of RedPanda bringing up Aeon as a faction in early game and also explain why Primate (who was Aeon) latching onto me bringing up Aeon as a faction in early game.

[CloudKicker]

Also, RedPanda claimed Aeon traitor in a private thread with Fish Monger. Which would explain your contention of RedPanda bringing up Aeon as a faction in early game and also explain why Primate (who was Aeon) latching onto me bringing up Aeon as a faction in early game.

Hm maybe

[Zaphkael]

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