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[Gamma Emerald]

hey Tchill look buddy ol' man you're a great asset to this game but within the whole YAG vs Tchill thing I have to side with the latter.

Honestly your last couple of posts were good. I town binned him because I felt like he came into an inactive game and started trying to sort, but this puts that into question. Why don't you think it's enough to read him red?

Precisely why you town binned him. This is one interaction between another player that didn't sit good, but there's a lot of other interactions (that I haven't looked into fully

yet

, mind you) that are pretty good at plain level looking.
I might change my mind after digging deeper because I have yet to know what's actually there, but I have to finish my other thoughts before I loose them.

You know this might have a point, a scum in another game got pretty far doing what YAG has done at replace in

Did you mean YAG or tchill? Because I think that both myself and Lilly were talking about tchill here. I know I was.

YAG. Maybe it applies to TChill but why can't YAG be looked at that way too?

[Gamma Emerald]

bob, who's your current vote on and would you be willing to join us on roster?

I think the rooster wagon is just a bad wagon. Cant see any justification for it even gettign to 3 votes let alone 5. Or how you tried to push it 6.

I very much agree

VOTE: rosterVOTE:

What

[Hectic]

Woah, what's going on here?

According to my memory of the wiki, wagons on people who probably aren't even reading the thread right now are utterly useless. Move your votes from roster to anyone else, people.
Either roster will get replaced or will make a return and we can judge/lynch him then if he continues to actively lurk.

[davesaz]

Dave, I've been doing the same thing essentially. What's up with this?

If you have, it isn't the only thing you've been doing. Actually that doesn't sound quite right, it's not the most prominent thing.
But frankly, I don't specifically have a problem with Eevee other than that.

BTW I don't see the issue with Tchill. It's possible I formed my opinion too early, care to be specific about what you think?

[davesaz]

Woah, what's going on here?

According to my memory of the wiki, wagons on people who probably aren't even reading the thread right now are utterly useless. Move your votes from roster to anyone else, people.
Either roster will get replaced or will make a return and we can judge/lynch him then if he continues to actively lurk.

If that's in a wiki (I have my doubts), the entry is waaay too shallow.
Wagons have a purpose beyond their effect on the person being wagoned.

A lynch on an inactive has purpose if it's a scum lynch, and can be worse than useless if it's not. But wagons are most definitely not equal to lynches.

Any other comments on the things that have happened since you posted last?

[Hectic]

I don't like Hectic dropping out like that.
Lots of slots in prod range.
Fake claims are

fun

but don't really help solve.
Setup spec in a closed game before any flips seems pointless at best, and harmful is more likely.

VOTE: rosterfoster seems like a good place to poke, for now.

It is no longer a good place imo,

Also to everyone voting them, if they come back you can always get back on, hell id probably join you if they dont have a good reason.

If rosterslot ends up being scum we have a candidate for partner here?

Yes but not much to determine which is scum. Since theres no defense

Ok, maybe I do need to punch here.
You're the partner I'm talking about.
You're defending roster, who has done nothing to deserve defense.
Bleating about "ooh that's an empty slot" is nothing useful.
You'd prefer the wagon to be on someone else?
VOTE: EveeLution Army

Don't like this reasoning. Eevee's right.
What's the point of a wagon on someone who literally admitted they're skimming the thread, and still haven't posted since votes started building up on them?
Someone who's not reading the thread and playing can't exactly feel pressure they're not aware of.
Wiki says, most of the time, inactives are actually just inactive and not scum tactically not posting for long periods of time.
And as Eevee said, we can move back onto roster if he returns and starts acting scummy, or continues to actively lurk D1 without really contributing.

UNVOTE: JJD
VOTE: davesaz

[Hectic]

Woah, what's going on here?

According to my memory of the wiki, wagons on people who probably aren't even reading the thread right now are utterly useless. Move your votes from roster to anyone else, people.
Either roster will get replaced or will make a return and we can judge/lynch him then if he continues to actively lurk.

If that's in a wiki (I have my doubts), the entry is waaay too shallow.
Wagons have a purpose beyond their effect on the person being wagoned.

A lynch on an inactive has purpose if it's a scum lynch, and can be worse than useless if it's not. But wagons are most definitely not equal to lynches.

Any other comments on the things that have happened since you posted last?

I understand your point about wagons being useful. Since you can see the stances people take on it and who's on/off it.
But we can do that but on someone who's actually active anyway.

What do you think of Eevee's comments since?
I'm lazy posting right now, I'll go back and catch up properly.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Woah, what's going on here?

According to my memory of the wiki, wagons on people who probably aren't even reading the thread right now are utterly useless. Move your votes from roster to anyone else, people.
Either roster will get replaced or will make a return and we can judge/lynch him then if he continues to actively lurk.

Well, according to my memory of the wiki referring to the wiki in every post is becoming silly. It is also a useless move that's unlikely to convince anyone. Finally, roster (pr his replacement) should feel the heat. I am not going to let lurkers lurk any further, and if there's a wagon on a lurker I am going to join it. Right now I believe this is the largest wagon on a lurker,

[Hectic]

Woah, what's going on here?

According to my memory of the wiki, wagons on people who probably aren't even reading the thread right now are utterly useless. Move your votes from roster to anyone else, people.
Either roster will get replaced or will make a return and we can judge/lynch him then if he continues to actively lurk.

Well, according to my memory of the wiki referring to the wiki in every post is becoming silly. It is also a useless move that's unlikely to convince anyone. Finally, roster (pr his replacement) should feel the heat. I am not going to let lurkers lurk any further, and if there's a wagon on a lurker I am going to join it. Right now I believe this is the largest wagon on a lurker,

Recalling back on my reading of the wiki, your memory of the wiki of referring to the wiki every post is flawed I believe. 58% was the statistic.

Wagons on lurkers are boring, they can't respond and we're not getting a better read on them because they aren't posting/contributing at all.
Let's wagon active players even if they're not that scummy. Can still get a better read on them and make them more obvious town if they don't crumble under pressure (because they're town and have nothing to hide - other than PR stuff obviously).

[Elements]

VOTE: elements
Look! a wagon is beginning to form! and it's on an active player! Quick join it so it has some significance!

[Hectic]

The classic. How can I refuse?

HEAL: elements

[Elements]

I just want a wagon

[Hectic]

Actually, going by my own logic, sure.

VOTE: Elements

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

I mean, seriously.. games are lost because of letting lurkers be and concentrating on the active posters.

[Elements]

I mean, seriously.. games are lost because of letting lurkers be and concentrating on the active posters.

Ik, but there's just soooo much resistance to voting roster

[davesaz]

What's the point of a wagon on someone who literally admitted they're skimming the thread, and still haven't posted since votes started building up on them?

The point of a wagon is to see who reacts to it and how. Early in the day this is far more important than who the wagon is on. Even a lurker wagon can serve this purpose.

Since there has been reaction to this wagon (finally), and I made my point by slapping Eevee with a fish, I'll probably want a different one. I'm working right now and have not decided who the next stuckee will be.

Pedit: yes, that's part of the point, to see which wagons get actively resisted and for what reasons.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

I mean, seriously.. games are lost because of letting lurkers be and concentrating on the active posters.

Ik, but there's just soooo much resistance to voting roster

That's one more reason why it should be the wagon we continue to push. Why would scum resist a wagon on a lurker? Because they're scum!
Why would TOWN resist a wagon on a lurker? For fear they might be a TPR.
Now why would Scum PUSH a lurker? They either suspect they're a TPR OR they feel it's an easy push.
Why would TOWN push a lurker? Because it's a good way to read other slots and how they react to the push.

So, keep on pushing roster and see who joins and WHY. See who resists and WHY. If roster ever flips you can go back and see who said what and evaluate based on his alignment.

[Elements]

Hectic, join us
VOTE: roster

[profii]

Continuation from last night

JJD - shouldn't be today's lynch imo

Hectic - I get a vibe from his iso that he is being active for actives sake. I'd say he perhaps lacked direction until this little roster wagon popped up so that's something to consider

Fish monger - thered be a tumble weed gif here if I was clever

Hopkirk is a little bit similar to hectic in his jovial entrance to the game but I get more of a sense that he is trying to convey opinions as the game progressed so I'm ok with that

Roster - come talk to me or the votes stays, y'arr!

Carcalilly - inquisitive enough to be town

Finish this tomorrow I think

I feel like some of this is a bit out of context as sometimes you only see 1 side of a conversation but whatever I'll reassess once I've done them all - not sure if I'm going to come out with a realistic number of slots of concern so we shall se

[Cliff Booth]

I enjoy my Elements vote even more now

[Elements]

I enjoy my Elements vote even more now

I was enjoying it to until people still didn't want to join in.

[Carcalilly]

You’re so Carcalovely.

Oh, you...

[Carcalilly]

Woah, what's going on here?

According to my memory of the wiki, wagons on people who probably aren't even reading the thread right now are utterly useless. Move your votes from roster to anyone else, people.
Either roster will get replaced or will make a return and we can judge/lynch him then if he continues to actively lurk.

the savior has returned to offer his wisdom!!

[Carcalilly]

Dave, I've been doing the same thing essentially. What's up with this?

If you have, it isn't the only thing you've been doing. Actually that doesn't sound quite right, it's not the most prominent thing.
But frankly, I don't specifically have a problem with Eevee other than that.

BTW I don't see the issue with Tchill. It's possible I formed my opinion too early, care to be specific about what you think?

Is it really that prominent with Eevee? because I didn't notice

I think he's just being an ass right now because I have reason to believe that scum!Tchill would be more careful. But as I said it's been a loooong time.

[Carcalilly]

VOTE: elements
Look! a wagon is beginning to form! and it's on an active player! Quick join it so it has some significance!

but I don't wanna vote town--