Alisae V Pine: Trees Apparently Make Good Treestumps

[Alisae]

I think my vote applies more pressure here either way

VOTE: UT

most of UT's ISO is scumplaining for being unable to catch up, I would like some real content from the replacement

I was just kinda looking at off wagons and the smaller ones first to see which votes I could sway

Dude what the fuck are you doing?

[Dannflor]

Uggh I'll do LLD next then in my Iso diving but srsly I'm not sold.

Have you read anything I said about the topic?

If so, what’s holding you back?

You didn’t like her AtE right, it felt manipulative?

[Gamma Emerald]

OK
I guess I can get the early townread thing but why is opposite reads scummy

[Aristophanes]

Uggh I'll do LLD next then in my Iso diving but srsly I'm not sold.

Have you read anything I said about the topic?

If so, what’s holding you back?

I've read every one of your posts I've come across, I just...they read town to me. The rage was legit, the push to figure xof out seemed legit. I like the jjh vote even if I skimmed that post from them tbh.

They just haven't struck me as scum.

[Alisae]

Uggh I'll do LLD next then in my Iso diving but srsly I'm not sold.

Have you read anything I said about the topic?

If so, what’s holding you back?

You didn’t like her AtE right, it felt manipulative?

mhmm and like, some of the little things I pointed out in a post I saw

[Dannflor]

I think my vote applies more pressure here either way

VOTE: UT

most of UT's ISO is scumplaining for being unable to catch up, I would like some real content from the replacement

I was just kinda looking at off wagons and the smaller ones first to see which votes I could sway

Dude what the fuck are you doing?

I’m in the same boat as Ari, I’m just like not sold on LLD being scum?

[Gamma Emerald]

Ali pls don't ignore my post
I liked what you sent me btw, that actually was very motivating

[Pine]

Gamma, Chickadee’s getting the Neighborizer fruit, but Ali and I are never valid night action targets

[Alisae]

Uggh I'll do LLD next then in my Iso diving but srsly I'm not sold.

Have you read anything I said about the topic?

If so, what’s holding you back?

I've read every one of your posts I've come across, I just...they read town to me. The rage was legit, the push to figure xof out seemed legit. I like the jjh vote even if I skimmed that post from them tbh.

They just haven't struck me as scum.

I really don’t think any of that is outside of her scumrange dude

[Alisae]

Ali pls don't ignore my post
I liked what you sent me btw, that actually was very motivating

saw it
Trying to switch from ipad to computer
That is easier to respond to on a computer

[Alisae]

I think my vote applies more pressure here either way

VOTE: UT

most of UT's ISO is scumplaining for being unable to catch up, I would like some real content from the replacement

I was just kinda looking at off wagons and the smaller ones first to see which votes I could sway

Dude what the fuck are you doing?

I’m in the same boat as Ari, I’m just like not sold on LLD being scum?

why

[Pine]

Because Dann’s her scumbuddy obv

Are we really not lynching Firebringer? I was so enthused for that

[Alisae]

But can you outwit or outlast him?

he definitely outwits me
im that that smart
thats also not really a secret >_<

Is that AI for Fire, genuinely interested.

nah not rly

Hm. Me and pops I think our first game together was a Making Friends and Enemies, were you in that one? I vaguely recall you being in it. Maybe you were the mod idek.

I modded a making friends and enemies for my first game
neither of you were in that I think
I don't remember I really don't play in the open queue that much

Uhhh what's a humina again

well the half was the "nah" part
and that was in reference to me not really being interested in u as a wagon

[Alisae]

Because Dann’s her scumbuddy obv

Are we really not lynching Firebringer? I was so enthused for that

you can bus him later

[Alisae]

plus bussing him later gives you more cred when you need it my guy

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Uggh I'll do LLD next then in my Iso diving but srsly I'm not sold.

Have you read anything I said about the topic?

If so, what’s holding you back?

I've read every one of your posts I've come across, I just...they read town to me. The rage was legit, the push to figure xof out seemed legit. I like the jjh vote even if I skimmed that post from them tbh.

They just haven't struck me as scum.

I really don’t think any of that is outside of her scumrange dude

Nothing is outside my scumrange you twit.

If you make statements like this of course you're confirmation bias yourself towards believing I'm scum.

"She was honest about everything!" Inside my scumrange
"She agreed to die before a specific time in the game!" Inside my scumrange
"She's confirmed town by this role!" Inside my scumrange (no seriously, PYP Mafia. Number 6 I think. This was literally a thing I used.)

EVERYTHING is inside my scumrange.

If your issue is based off paranoia and the fact you felt "emotionally manipulated" by me trying to be cautious about mason shit and trying to obey your fucking rules and not yell at you, guess what

GUESS WHAT

Mafia is emotional manipulation. You are trying to convince other people to vote how you want them to and that you have similar goals to them.

GreyICE emotionally manipulated you and others into voting for me by being loud and confident.

I was emotionally manipulating you into trying to have a fucking conversation with me quickly about Xof so I could know where to progress.

The question isn't "does LLD use ATE and emotions to play" the question is "is she scum this time using it?" because I do it just as much as town.

I'm not specifically trying to manipulate you with some grand machina plan, but convincing you to do/think/talk about something is literally a manipulative act, especially when there's a power imbalance between me a townie who will always be suspected and you a confirmed innocent player holding me back from pushing lynches.

If your only fucking reason for voting me, which it seems to be, is that I did that, you need to fucking get your glasses checked.

You've played this before. When the fuck does ANYONE EVER DRAFT ME.

I'M ALWAYS A MUST KILL BEFORE LYLO IN GAMES LIKE THESE.

BUT AT LEAST LET ME PLAY.

YOU CAN'T DO THIS BURDEN OF PROFICIENCY SHIT BUT NEVER EVEN HAND ME A CHANCE TO PROVE MY ALIGNMENT BY LYNCHING SCUM.

LIKE WHAT THE FUCK LOL

[Gamma Emerald]

But can you outwit or outlast him?

he definitely outwits me
im that that smart
thats also not really a secret >_<

Is that AI for Fire, genuinely interested.

nah not rly

Hm. Me and pops I think our first game together was a Making Friends and Enemies, were you in that one? I vaguely recall you being in it. Maybe you were the mod idek.

I modded a making friends and enemies for my first game
neither of you were in that I think
I don't remember I really don't play in the open queue that much

Uhhh what's a humina again

well the half was the "nah" part
and that was in reference to me not really being interested in u as a wagon

Thanks, all noted.

[Aristophanes]

PYP6 IIRC was the game that taught me how good your scumgame is, LLD. I forget which game it was when I learned about your towngame but By lynching you. I still feel bad about that tbh, and I still feel bad that I lie, iirc again, Pieyan(? Piegyen? It's been a while) down in not lynching you in PYP after promising to. You are a goddambed genius and nothi g is outside your scumplay potential! But I still think this is townLLD.

And if I mislynched them here I'd have like 5 years more of regret added on to my already guilty conscience so I really think I'm not gonna vote there.

[Aristophanes]

I want to say it was Shakespeare mafia of some sort. Am I offbase there?

[Aristophanes]

Also, nobody has anything to day about jjh after my case post there?

Sad.

[Ankamius]

1715 kind of feels like my general strategy in Jazz mafia when I got wagoned on d1

[Alisae]

YOU CAN'T DO THIS BURDEN OF PROFICIENCY SHIT BUT NEVER EVEN HAND ME A CHANCE TO PROVE MY ALIGNMENT BY LYNCHING SCUM.

okay
lets lynch scum
who is it

[Alisae]

LLD you get drafted because if I don't have the masons to me sane and always thinking about the game, I would literally let you bully me into following you.
really wish you were my mason atm.

[Alisae]

and by bully I wouldn't mean just yell, with what I asked for in thread, I mean stuff like that, there's many different tactics you can try.
You are making it really hard to just not listen to you

[popsofctown]

Uggh I'll do LLD next then in my Iso diving but srsly I'm not sold.

Have you read anything I said about the topic?

If so, what’s holding you back?

I've read every one of your posts I've come across, I just...they read town to me. The rage was legit, the push to figure xof out seemed legit. I like the jjh vote even if I skimmed that post from them tbh.

They just haven't struck me as scum.

I feel the same way, but LLD's scumrange on stuff like tone is worthy of an awful lot of respect. Which is what I mean when I say I feel like I need to trust my head instead of my heart. The circumstantial indicator with regards to her wagoning a player that now seems possibly a mason is independent of any amount of respect, because scum!LLD is going to have to push mislynches to win mafia.


OTOH

I do still feel like there might be some reason to not lynch LLD because of mechanics.
If commuter actually beats everything in the effing game like GreyICE alleges, then if LLD no-commutes tonight and maybe N2, mafia could be horrified into shooting her. If an investigative clears her shot, she can start commuting and become BP IC, which is very powerful, it creates a huge tilt on lategame EVs.

The problem is that when I talk about this is that people are like "fuck you" and it gets really unlikely we can get value out of the nightplay if that's how everyone feels about it, because one of the PRs that would need to care is likely one of the skeptics so no cooperation.

Imma UNVOTE: for now.

I ofc liked your letter Ali