Alisae V Pine: Trees Apparently Make Good Treestumps

[Alisae]

yeah LLD you're right
better to just wait tbh
VOTE: jjh

[GreyICE]

/me headdesks

NO COME ON WE HAVE SCUM ON THE ROPES
JJH ISN'T IT

[Alisae]

HE'S NOT
BUT HE'S SCUMMY

[Ankamius]

Alisae, what is your read on GreyICE?

[GreyICE]

I do still feel like there might be some reason to not lynch LLD because of mechanics.
If commuter actually beats everything in the effing game like GreyICE alleges, then if LLD no-commutes tonight and maybe N2, mafia could be horrified into shooting her. If an investigative clears her shot, she can start commuting and become BP IC, which is very powerful, it creates a huge tilt on lategame EVs.

Wow you're starting to get the picture. Bulletproof town is very strong. Bulletproof scum is basically a goon with flavor
Unlimited commuter town can't even be strongmanned and is thus even stronger. Unlimited commuter scum is weaker than a godfather.

I too wish I lived in Christmastown, but it doesn't work like that.

[Alisae]

I do still feel like there might be some reason to not lynch LLD because of mechanics.
If commuter actually beats everything in the effing game like GreyICE alleges, then if LLD no-commutes tonight and maybe N2, mafia could be horrified into shooting her. If an investigative clears her shot, she can start commuting and become BP IC, which is very powerful, it creates a huge tilt on lategame EVs.

Wow you're starting to get the picture. Bulletproof town is very strong. Bulletproof scum is basically a goon with flavor
Unlimited commuter town can't even be strongmanned and is thus even stronger. Unlimited commuter scum is weaker than a godfather.

I too wish I lived in Christmastown, but it doesn't work like that.

wait
she's a commuter?

[Alisae]

a full commuter?
no restrictions?
she can just
commute
whenever she wants

[Alisae]

a full commuter?
no restrictions?
she can just
commute
whenever she wants

[Ankamius]

She claimed commuter and that's it

It's presumably an unlimited commuter yes

[popsofctown]

at this point
every time I've played with pops I've read her wrong so...

Hm. Me and pops I think our first game together was a Making Friends and Enemies, were you in that one? I vaguely recall you being in it. Maybe you were the mod idek.

I don't hardly remember it, but it looks like I was NKed N1 and Alisae replaced in on a later day.

[Alisae]

dam
if Elli had an unlimited commuter Pine would have lost the first game.

[Alisae]

at this point
every time I've played with pops I've read her wrong so...

Hm. Me and pops I think our first game together was a Making Friends and Enemies, were you in that one? I vaguely recall you being in it. Maybe you were the mod idek.

I don't hardly remember it, but it looks like I was NKed N1 and Alisae replaced in on a later day.

o wait
I am starting to remember
was it that game I trolled alyssa in?

[Ankamius]

Oh fuck that game

We lost by missing a kill on a mason like n3

[Alisae]

and was hosted by that amazing mod who wrote pretty flavor that didn't show up again
I forget their name?
And their play actually wasn't bad from the games I read because animu avatar, kinda interested in seeing what my fellow weebs are doing. If I remembered who they were, I would have definitely invited him to this game.

[Alisae]

Oh fuck that game

We lost by missing a kill on a mason like n3

hahahaha it was lmao

[Alisae]

VOTE: LLD
a full commuter being claimed my LLD?
Yeah nah that can't be town

[GreyICE]

HE'S NOT
BUT HE'S SCUMMY

I mean is he? What is he actually doing that is scummy? Shitposting? Okay, that's "NAI" as they say.

You know what? Lets just do the old CES tell. Lets see where the votes are:

VOTE: Krazy

VOTE: Firebringer

VOTE: Krazy

VOTE: Ari

VOTE: Xofelf

VOTE: Krazy

VOTE: Untrod Tripod

VOTE: Ari

VOTE: Krazy

VOTE: LLD

VOTE: Krazy

Check the post numbers: 8,37,83,144,283,357,668,845,1168,1278,1594. Look at what was happening around those. Don't even read his other posts, just follow the vote. Where's his head at, what is he doing?

[Alisae]

HE'S NOT
BUT HE'S SCUMMY

I mean is he? What is he actually doing that is scummy? Shitposting? Okay, that's "NAI" as they say.

You know what? Lets just do the old CES tell. Lets see where the votes are:

VOTE: Krazy

VOTE: Firebringer

VOTE: Krazy

VOTE: Ari

VOTE: Xofelf

VOTE: Krazy

VOTE: Untrod Tripod

VOTE: Ari

VOTE: Krazy

VOTE: LLD

VOTE: Krazy

Check the post numbers: 8,37,83,144,283,357,668,845,1168,1278,1594. Look at what was happening around those. Don't even read his other posts, just follow the vote. Where's his head at, what is he doing?

nothing because town!jjh engages with the game and scum!jjh doesn't

[Aristophanes]

Spoiler: Pops' 1724

Uggh I'll do LLD next then in my Iso diving but srsly I'm not sold.

Have you read anything I said about the topic?

If so, what’s holding you back?

I've read every one of your posts I've come across, I just...they read town to me. The rage was legit, the push to figure xof out seemed legit. I like the jjh vote even if I skimmed that post from them tbh.

They just haven't struck me as scum.

I feel the same way, but LLD's scumrange on stuff like tone is worthy of an awful lot of respect. Which is what I mean when I say I feel like I need to trust my head instead of my heart. The circumstantial indicator with regards to her wagoning a player that now seems possibly a mason is independent of any amount of respect, because scum!LLD is going to have to push mislynches to win mafia.


OTOH

I do still feel like there might be some reason to not lynch LLD because of mechanics.
If commuter actually beats everything in the effing game like GreyICE alleges, then if LLD no-commutes tonight and maybe N2, mafia could be horrified into shooting her. If an investigative clears her shot, she can start commuting and become BP IC, which is very powerful, it creates a huge tilt on lategame EVs.

The problem is that when I talk about this is that people are like "fuck you" and it gets really unlikely we can get value out of the nightplay if that's how everyone feels about it, because one of the PRs that would need to care is likely one of the skeptics so no cooperation.

Imma UNVOTE: for now.

I ofc liked your letter Ali

I think they should commute every night honestly. That is ideal play considering this role, so long as it's true.

And yes, Commuter isnuntouchable by night actions unless there's like, actions which resolvee before it oike a day action that resolves when night begins or in twilight or something which is unlikely.

[Alisae]

like I feel let down because I feel like town!jjh
just
does
more

[popsofctown]

The mod was Aster

Ank was already down a partner by the time she replaced in because of me

[popsofctown]

Ari I think you're really missing the point

[Lady Lambdadelta]

LLD you get drafted because if I don't have the masons to me sane and always thinking about the game, I would literally let you bully me into following you.
really wish you were my mason atm.

don't say shit like this Ali, this is super dangerous. People can glean information from it...

Like seriously don't talk about the masons, protect them at all costs. Do you understand?

As for the point it stands to reason that you should be concerned about me. I encourage everyone to be concerned about me, and with my role don't let me live to lylo.

Scum will only benefit from the paranoia in the end.

But being concerned and paranoid and needing to lynch town because my husband has exactly zero trust in me (and often misreads me as a result. Famous quote from him is that if he just lynches me day 1 every game he never needs to worry about me. It's a fair concept, but I hate it so.)

So like, listen to your masons and judge the game accordingly, but let me show you I'm town. You have a lot of time and space to be able to remove me surgically later if you become worried about me taking over.

So for now, listen to what I've been saying about JJH.

[Alisae]

PYP6 IIRC was the game that taught me how good your scumgame is, LLD. I forget which game it was when I learned about your towngame but By lynching you. I still feel bad about that tbh, and I still feel bad that I lie, iirc again, Pieyan(? Piegyen? It's been a while) down in not lynching you in PYP after promising to. You are a goddambed genius and nothi g is outside your scumplay potential! But I still think this is townLLD.

And if I mislynched them here I'd have like 5 years more of regret added on to my already guilty conscience so I really think I'm not gonna vote there.

yeah thats what incoperating AtE into your play does dude.
Its a feedback loop

[Lady Lambdadelta]

VOTE: LLD
a full commuter being claimed my LLD?
Yeah nah that can't be town

It is town, I wouldn't claim it if I wasn't town. There's no benefit, this reaction is gonna happen from everyone. I figured this gut reaction would be enough to SHOW PEOPLE I AM TOWN.

Trust in me. Give me a chance to show you I'm town. Stop knee jerk voting at me when something ticks wrong, because to you everything I do ticks you wrong somehow.

And yes this is manipulation. I need to convince you I'm town because well I'M TOWN.

So jsut... gahhh