Alisae V Pine: Trees Apparently Make Good Treestumps

[Katsuki]

So uh

What is there to stop Pine from telling lies aside from the Jingle detector?

[Katsuki]

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I presume nothing

[Jingle]

What is there to stop Pine from telling lies aside from the Jingle detector?

He agreed not to and I trust him to honor that agreement to the best of his ability, because for an evil murderous tree monster, he's a pretty alright guy.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Also pettiness mission complete page 101

[Formerfish]

you have been nothing but a passive aggressive jerk to me all game so why would I wanna work with you town or not

Ditto.

You think im town though, so me thinking you are scum is something you would want to change as town.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I am good to die now. This has dragged on. Eveb if you think i am town, either cote Xof or vote me. All other wagons are garbage.

[popsofctown]

So uh

What is there to stop Pine from telling lies aside from the Jingle detector?

Pine is on his honor as a player to not intentionally tell lies about fruit because of it being a game fruit, and that goes whether Jingle catches it or not. Pine isn't someone who would duck that to get a win.

Would kind of like if such a concept was extended to Alisae's knowledge of blacklisted roles but it seems ambiguous whether Ali perceives it that way :/

[Katsuki]

What is there to stop Pine from telling lies aside from the Jingle detector?

He agreed not to and I trust him to honor that agreement to the best of his ability, because for an evil murderous tree monster, he's a pretty alright guy.

Can you make it so that any piece of info he lied about, you release the full truth pertaining to it?

Eg. He lied not once, but twice about this watcher fruit of his, so you post the full details of said watcher fruit as a consequence for violation of his end of the deal.

[GreyICE]

If anyone performs a night action on the target of your choice, you will see them.

A LIE!

Anyone affected by the ninja modifier will not be reported to the player using the fruit. Additionally, no information will be given to the person using the fruit if they are roleblocked via some means. Honestly, I thought this went without saying.

No, when you say something is

the absolute truth

then nothing goes without saying Jingle. If you want to say "every role Pine hands out will conform to the MafiaScum wiki on roles with no hidden elements or modifiers" then I'll assume they're exactly what they say on the tin, nothing more or less.

If you want to say "they might have hidden elements or functions that Pine doesn't have to tell you about, but he can't lie about them" I will look for every caveat, hook, monkey's paw, or other defect in what he says.

[Ankamius]

VOTE: LLD

I'll just throw Dannflor at chenn then

Then we'll probably watch movies after he gets back

[popsofctown]

I am good to die now. This has dragged on. Eveb if you think i am town, either cote Xof or vote me. All other wagons are garbage.

If you are town you should self-vote now.

Watcher tends to benefit town more than scum, even if it's a lolhammer that's uncontrolled it's protown that someone gets it.

[Ankamius]

I hope he has good movies

[Lady Lambdadelta]

you have been nothing but a passive aggressive jerk to me all game so why would I wanna work with you town or not

Ditto.

You think im town though, so me thinking you are scum is something you would want to change as town.

No see the difference here is I have been upfront with my dislike of you and how you handle your business where as you hide it behind false plesantness and pot shots.

Anyway what makes you think anything designed specifically to change your mimd will make you. If my reads dont shake you and my motives dont either then what is the purpose.

Also this feels like you are just doing this to be superior so

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Vote count please

I do not self vote as town sorry

[popsofctown]

Yeah that feels like a scumclaim

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Also maybe I am petty Pops

[GreyICE]

Like I'm going to assume there's nothing fucking awful and bastard in them, like a neighborizor that poisons the person who takes it, or a watcher that causes town to lose the game. But I don't think it's beyond the scope of the game to hand out a watcher when the scum have a ninja. What Pine wrote seemed to confirm that the scum did not have a Ninja, what you wrote confirms that they do, which makes a watcher shot utterly worthless.

[Ankamius]

It's sure good for finding PRs though!

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Like I'm going to assume there's nothing fucking awful and bastard in them, like a neighborizor that poisons the person who takes it, or a watcher that causes town to lose the game. But I don't think it's beyond the scope of the game to hand out a watcher when the scum have a ninja. What Pine wrote seemed to confirm that the scum did not have a Ninja, what you wrote confirms that they do, which makes a watcher shot utterly worthless.

Hey hey calm down there Sun tzu

[GreyICE]

Like I'm going to assume there's nothing fucking awful and bastard in them, like a neighborizor that poisons the person who takes it, or a watcher that causes town to lose the game. But I don't think it's beyond the scope of the game to hand out a watcher when the scum have a ninja. What Pine wrote seemed to confirm that the scum did not have a Ninja, what you wrote confirms that they do, which makes a watcher shot utterly worthless.

Hey hey calm down there Sun tzu

Goddamn it, if they're going to make a mechanic of their game "we hand out fae bargains" I'm going to fucking lawyer those fae bargains for all they're worth.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Like I'm going to assume there's nothing fucking awful and bastard in them, like a neighborizor that poisons the person who takes it, or a watcher that causes town to lose the game. But I don't think it's beyond the scope of the game to hand out a watcher when the scum have a ninja. What Pine wrote seemed to confirm that the scum did not have a Ninja, what you wrote confirms that they do, which makes a watcher shot utterly worthless.

Hey hey calm down there Sun tzu

Goddamn it, if they're going to make a mechanic of their game "we hand out fae bargains" I'm going to fucking lawyer those fae bargains for all they're worth.

I know and I love you so much for it.

I am just tessing you about everything.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Mostly that you are so concerned with lynching me you can't afford me courtesy~

[popsofctown]

Like I'm going to assume there's nothing fucking awful and bastard in them, like a neighborizor that poisons the person who takes it, or a watcher that causes town to lose the game. But I don't think it's beyond the scope of the game to hand out a watcher when the scum have a ninja. What Pine wrote seemed to confirm that the scum did not have a Ninja, what you wrote confirms that they do, which makes a watcher shot utterly worthless.

I think the thing is Jingle the role information should be interpreted with Board Game Logic that if some other effects is in the game that nullifies another effect, the vulnerable effect doesn't have to explicitly state the possibility to be considered a correct way of stating it.

If we have "draft cop fruit: investigate a player to find out whether someone other than Jingle successfully drafted a player." and "draft miller: all roles think Pine drafted you btw Pine didn't", that fruit would be stated correctly by Board Game Logic.

[Jingle]

@Pine or @Jingle

does Pink Ball's request constitute one request for the fruit such that Pine can't distribute the fruit secretly now?

This is me, explicitly ignoring this question.