Alisae V Pine: Trees Apparently Make Good Treestumps

[Chickadee]

Chickadee, who do you want to lynch

Would love a PB lynch

[Dannflor]

Alisae

Dannflor
Firebringer
Lady Lambdadelta
xofelf

ankamius
popsofctown
Pink Ball
the worst
chennisden

Gamma Emerald
MariaR
PenguinPower
Jjh927
mastina

UntrodTripod
Aristophanes
DrippingGoofball
Krazy
GreyICE
Menalque

Skygazer
Formerfish
Iconeum
Katsuki

Pine

what brought PB from a town read to lynch for you

also why aren't you voting there

[popsofctown]

Chickadee's vote is restricted in order to obtain neighborizer fruit from Pine

[Katsuki]

[Pink Ball]

Chick scumreading me is yet another reason for the rest of the playerlist to townread me.

That, ir she's scum.

[Dannflor]

Chickadee's vote is restricted in order to obtain neighborizer fruit from Pine

oh I missed that

Chick why do you want the neighborizer so badly?

[Chickadee]

A lot of my reads have changed since that reads list. I was actually looking at it last night, and it's not accurate at all anymore.

PB specifically doesn't have a lot of town equity. Have you read their ISO?

Chick scumreading me is yet another reason for the rest of the playerlist to townread me.

That, ir she's scum.

Um, based on what? Why are you trying to discredit me? I don't think we've played enough games together for you to say I misread you. This comes off as super scummy.

Chickadee's vote is restricted in order to obtain neighborizer fruit from Pine

oh I missed that

Chick why do you want the neighborizer so badly?

Gonna decline to answer that, sorry.

[Pine]

I’ll give the Watcher fruit to whoever hammers LLD

A LIE!

Pine cannot complete his end of the bargain if whoever hammers LLD doesn't post

Bargain: Watcher

.

If anyone performs a night action on the target of your choice, you will see them.

A LIE!

Anyone affected by the ninja modifier will not be reported to the player using the fruit. Additionally, no information will be given to the person using the fruit if they are roleblocked via some means. Honestly, I thought this went without saying.

What is there to stop Pine from telling lies aside from the Jingle detector?

He agreed not to and I trust him to honor that agreement to the best of his ability, because for an evil murderous tree monster, he's a pretty alright guy.

Ah, but neither of those was a lie about fruit effects. The first is about the process of distribution, the second is an omission (and obvious). It would only be a lie if I suggested it was immune to standard foiling methods. The Watcher version of Strongman or whatever.

I feel like you just enjoy called by me a liar.

And thanks! You might be an insipid, motley-clad Jester, but you’re pretty swell.

[Dannflor]

PB specifically doesn't have a lot of town equity. Have you read their ISO?

I have

I was just wondering how he went from a town pile to a scum pile instead of like, null pile to scum pile

I guess I'm just wondering where the town read came from in the first place

[Jingle]

I feel like you just enjoy called by me a liar.

A LIE!

Pine knows I enjoy calling him a liar.

[Ankamius]

Jingle probably likes calling me a liar too I bet

[Pink Ball]

@chick I'm not discrediting you based on other games, I'm discrediting you because you just say "this comes as super scummy, you guys feel the same?" without any kind of explanation. That kind of generic posts aren't reliable 'cause it feels like you can't explain what comes as scummy, you just feel that way and that's tunneling. And what I've seen from you is that you tunnel on town more often than scum.

You actually corroborated my point by calling that post scummy lol

[Chickadee]

@chick I'm not discrediting you based on other games, I'm discrediting you because you just say "this comes as super scummy, you guys feel the same?" without any kind of explanation. That kind of generic posts aren't reliable 'cause it feels like you can't explain what comes as scummy, you just feel that way and that's tunneling.

And what I've seen from you is that you tunnel on town more often than scum.

You actually corroborated my point by calling that post scummy lol

This sure does feel like you're trying to use other games to discredit me.

And I really haven't been hard pushing this, so I don't think you can accurately say I'm in a tunnel. I've been really sick and really behind, so I've been slow to share much of anything. But please elaborate on why you think I'm tunneling you.

[Chickadee]

@Dann - Looking at that list, I can't figure out what I was smoking. A lot fo the reads have changed. But it's also been a significant amount of time since that list was made. A lot has happened. PB was higher up because I felt like they had a good start, but their posts never got more serious than early game. And then they had a post where they responded to Ali that read as super gross.

- If a player is old and came out of retirement to play, or is new and their play is still developing, they most likely were randed town
- If Pine doesn't have the meta knowledge or personal experience with a player, they are most likely town
- If Pine does not work well with them they are most likely town

From there, Pine has a smaller list of people that he can work with to try and assemble his dream team.

I think I'm the newest in this playerlist.
I think Pine has played with me once, and I was town and he was scum.
And we can't know for sure if we would work well because of my previous statement.

Like, at least pretend you're being consistent with the things you say, Ali.

Did this post from PB not strike anyone else as glaringly gross - or are y'all content to fight over LLD for the rest of the day? I'd like to see more PB votes.

Seriously, the major case on LLD is garbage (commuter claim), and I know you guys are better players than this.

LLD should commute. To not commute is idiotic and to check her is a waste of resources.

A 1-shot neighborizer is not really a resource. It's like a penny

To be clear, I would not neighborize LLD. For reasons entirely my own.

No one but Ali seemed to even acknowledge this post ^

[Pink Ball]

But other games as a whole, not other games with me involved. That's a bigger N so is a valid argument.

That's exactly why I think it's a tunnel: you don't have a lot of presence, but your last posts have been about me and it feels like you're trying to build a wagon on me without pushing it too hard.

Pedit: I'm aknowledging it right now, that's where I feel the tunnel began and why I'm saying your posts about me are plain and generic.

[Formerfish]

Omfg

I've been staring at the edge of the water
Long as I can remember, never really knowing why

Dont mock the fear demon.
Why, will he hurt me?
No, its just tacky.

[Chickadee]

I have more presence than some other slots in the game. But you're pushing against me because I have a scum read on you.

It honestly feels pointless to push anything at the moment because everyone is so riled up about LLD. And again

I've been super sick

. Seriously, the past few days, I've slept off and on for like 15 hours of the day. And in my waking hours, this game hasn't taken a big priority. I'm exhausted just walking to the bathroom 20 feet away.

And I'd really like you to point out examples where I hard tunnel, because I really don't think I tunnel bad enough to pegged as a player that tunnels a lot.

[Pink Ball]

I don't think you're a particularly tunnely player either, I'm just saying that, when I've seen you tunnel, you do it on town.

Of course I'll talk with you instead of other low presence players if you're scumreading me, it involves me directly. I've stated my concerns about mastina and PP, but I have nothing else to say about them.

Maybe I'm just being too self conscious, I'll leave you be. Hope you feel better soon!!

[GreyICE]

Ah, but neither of those was a lie about fruit effects. The first is about the process of distribution, the second is an omission (and obvious). It would only be a lie if I suggested it was immune to standard foiling methods. The Watcher version of Strongman or whatever.

That was a very coy way to avoid saying Ninja, Pine

[Pine]

Ah, but neither of those was a lie about fruit effects. The first is about the process of distribution, the second is an omission (and obvious). It would only be a lie if I suggested it was immune to standard foiling methods. The Watcher version of Strongman or whatever.

That was a very coy way to avoid saying Ninja, Pine

As you well know, there is no Mafia Ninja

[Katsuki]

Only a mafia watcher strongman eh?

[Chickadee]

I don't think you're a particularly tunnely player either, I'm just saying that, when I've seen you tunnel, you do it on town.

Of course I'll talk with you instead of other low presence players if you're scumreading me, it involves me directly. I've stated my concerns about mastina and PP, but I have nothing else to say about them.

Maybe I'm just being too self conscious, I'll leave you be. Hope you feel better soon!!

This paired with the comment on Ali's post seems like you're trying to use sketchy ways to say "Look guys, I'm town"

[Pine]

In truth, I was giving basic details about the fruit as a courtesy, you’re the psycho who was looking for fey word twists.

All I was obligated to say was “Watcher shot fruit available.” Everything else is extra.

Truth: the Watcher shot works exactly as it would in any typical game, subject to the same benefits and caveats. There is nothing added or subtracted from this fruit’s Watcher functionality.

[jjh927]

@Jingle: Can you clarify something?

Pine will not lie about the abilities of his gifts or their mechanics. He may omit information.

To what does "their" refer to here? Is it the mechanics of the abilities of his gifts, or is it the mechanics of the gifts themselves?

[Ankamius]

I'd like Dann's and mastina's reads list stuff before day ends

Thank you