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[Tchill13]

I'll give my thoughts on the team after luv answers whether or not he's a VT. I'm not gonna assume anything after that night phase.

Please don't lay down any votes.

[Tchill13]

Gobble why is the scum team so obviously klick/LUV and why am I, and Luca, town.

[Tchill13]

Can't wait to hear klick and luv's breakdowns.

[gobbledygook]

I think you have been pretty proactive the entire game and willing to challenge your own reads and beliefs repeatedly. I really don’t think scum would openly flip flop the way you are. Maybe a specific type of player would. You might be that type of player, I just don’t know, but the vibe I get from you isn’t one that’s changing their opinions to change them. It’s cha going their opinions in light of new analysis or information. I’ve felt that you were pretty town since I replaced in. It’s possible you’re just a deepwolf and I’m totally fooled but if that’s the case then whatever, we probably lose anyway.

Luca is like you-lite. I think he was the first one to really call me out and come up with ass conspiracy theories. I don’t think scum do that. Scum know I’m telling the truth despite how absurd it is. They just accept things. Lica very much does not accept things. I think that suspicion is more likely town than not.

[gobbledygook]

I play this game with the idea that I’m gonna bat .500. I look at everything as more likely or not more likely because I think it really helps you understand patterns in person’s actions.

[Tchill13]

Luca continually shows thought progression that I've seen come from town over and over imo.

My only fear is being pocketed by A50 or klick. Those are the 2 players I was worried the most about end D2.

I think klick has played a really good scum game. He had me fooled quite a bit. He defended BOTH inactive slots which is key. He had me absolutely fooled for a majority of the game. His last post D2 let's me know he was going to transition to pushing me in lylo and this is super important what I'm about to say.

He had to. Klick HAS to push me here. I have continually stated when I'm not being toxic and when I'm being honest Luca has always been town to me.

This game for klick was gonna come down to pushing a Luca/a50 team or a tchill/a50 team.

Luca has shown over and over that it'd be much easier to get him to vote me than it'd be to get me to vote Luca.

When I asked klick to participate in my hypothetical test he outright refused. He did not want to commit to one side yet. He obviously thought that was too early.

Had I shown a willingness to scum read Luca I do believe klick would be pushing a Luca/a50 team.

Of course... He hasn't posted yet. He may push something completely different, but this is my idea of where the game is at.

We have an even night tracker, a n3 BG and a loyal mailman. Considering the n3 BG may not even get to use his action I think that's an understandable setup. (unless someone has lied about their vt claim)

Luca has also repeatedly shown he's not ever going to sr LUV.

So his combination of town locking LUV and Scum pushing me makes perfect sense why klick makes that last post in lylo, setting himself up to push tchill as scum when he's hard Tr'd me the whole game.

[Tchill13]

Let's play the hypothetical that A50 IS scum. I can see why I'd be considered the partner. I get that. I've defended the guy the whole game.

But I have the knowledge I'm not the partner. So from the hypothetical scenario that we all had knowledge gobble was scum and tchill wasn't his partner...

Luca isn't gonna be his teammate. Pushed him the whole damn game.

So it's either klick or LUV. If the 2 inactive players just so happened to be scum together... Then wow. Way to go scum team so impressed.

But I doubt that happens. So it'd have to be klick/gobble.

If that's the team I'll be very, very surprised.

Not a Luca/LUV team could be in play. Klick seems like he'd be this lvl headed as town and defend both slots. I could see that. It's the least likely possibility but I could see it.

Either way. Luv has the chance to be on the most teams here. Luv vote makes the most sense frome me.

[Tchill13]

@luca. (this isn't bragging. I'm trying to connect a bridge here)

I have hard town read you the entire time that I've played with a lvl head.

I was correct about town flippy when I could have pushed him as scum because you were theorizing a tchill/flippy team. Push flippy as scum get you off my back. He flips town I have nothing to worry about. I kept my flippy TR until the end.

I flip flopped on icon, but once again, when I was thinking with a lvl head I hard Tr'd him every time.

I literally gave you the datisi lynch. I worked with you so datisi could be lynched. Yes I said I wanted anyone lynched but I obviously wanted luv lynched the most and I still helped you achieve your datisi lynch.

If you're scum gg. If you're town I don't see how you can ignore all the flip flopping I've done on reads. All the times I've been correct when posting my honest, gun to head thoughts, all the times I've tried to work with you. You're just ignoring all of it. You've pushed me as scum the entire game.

Gobble's claim is genuis and he's scum. I have been called out multiple times for not staying up on things (which I'm guilty of to an extent). I have town read you the entire game even with all the pushing. Hell, I even understand why you think an A50/tchill team makes sense here (a better case than the flippy/tchill team, because it's not purely PoE. I do wonder how much of it has to do with me defending A50, which is why I was scum with flippy, which you were wrong about I'M NOT BRAGGING I'M JUST ASKING YOU TO SEE THE PERSPECTIVE)

If you are town this game and still refuse to work with me... I don't know what I could have done.

Actually, I think it's clear there's nothing else I could have done.

Please consider LUV scum. Other than the Billy reaction test I'm not sure what is great evidence that he's town. You have no idea how many times I've seen town be wrong about a way they thought a certain alignment would react to a certain event. Every one plays the game different. Just because that's usually the case doesn't mean it always is.

At the end of the day from my perspective I was correct about flippy (which was mostly gut) I was correct about icon (which may not be something to even whiff at from you. You got me beat there. You tr is immediately but ih had to think on it) and I'm in lylo and Ik I'm 3/4 on "gun to head" read at the moment (flippy, icon, Datisi/ wrong about Ali)

Yes I voted datisi.

I clearly wanted luv gone. I DID NOT want to lynch A50 over datisi because I knew had A50 flipped town adgmd datisi was still in the game I'd be too shaky and give real consideration to datisi scum.

Yes I voted A50.

I literally lost my mind at PG 90. It's pretty obvious. I did fight with yall against an A50 lynch at first. Yall fos'd me. I voted to show a willingness to work with yall. I voted datisi to show a willingness to work with yall.

There's nothing else I can say.

[Luca Blight]

@luca.

Do you know that I claimed even night tracker?

I saw you claim it but I didn't feel like it was a serious claim.

[Tchill13]

It's serious.

[Luca Blight]

Luca at least keeps doing what makes me think he's town.

He proposed a flippy/tchill team d1 because PoE has both of us in his scum pushes. He then used pre conf bias to talk himself into this "team" that backed his flippy scum push.

Luca now thinks gobble's claim is brilliant but Luca is too good to be fooled by it.

Please, I understand you've broken this down before, maybe, but if his claim is so brilliant...

Why is his claim at the forefront of anyone's scum case on him?

Me and klick both have defended A50 I believe. Are we does that have a lot to do with why we're possibly scum in your eyes?

Everyone's scum case?

Everyone pretty much locked him as Town apart from me. If it wasn't for his claim he would have most likely been lynched D2. It was a good claim from a scum perspective, there can be no doubt of that.

Tchill, what could he have done better as scum after replacing in?

[Luca Blight]

It's serious.

I just skimmed your long posts above (will go through them more carefully after I've had something to eat) but I don't think you revealed your result?

If not, what was it?

[Tchill13]

Why wouldn't he just stay with vt there?

Why doesn't he claim some type of limited protective and then keep icon alive, scream wifom when someone else is the nk besides them two?

Why doesn't he claim a limited tracker or watcher who caught the scum kill or lied about icons action and claim icon and whoever received the note are the team?

He could also claim he tracked him to the kill when no one has a letter. Or when icon calls someone out and they don't have a letter.

There's so many better ways to play a claim long term as scum than n3 bodyguard.

[Tchill13]

And I'm, saving my result for Luv's response on whether or not he's a VT. I think that's reasonable.

[Tchill13]

Hell you can claim vt, claim, watcher or protective in lylo and then say you did those things also.

[Tchill13]

N3 bodyguard locks him into a claim he can not use to manipulate the game at all at scum.

I don't see the genius in it.

[Luca Blight]

Why wouldn't he just stay with vt there?

Why doesn't he claim some type of limited protective and then keep icon alive, scream wifom when someone else is the nk besides them two?

Why doesn't he claim a limited tracker or watcher who caught the scum kill or lied about icons action and claim icon and whoever received the note are the team?

He could also claim he tracked him to the kill when no one has a letter. Or when icon calls someone out and they don't have a letter.

There's so many better ways to play a claim long term as scum than n3 bodyguard.

Because there was considerable doubt over his slot already based on how A50 played and I doubt he would have survived the day had he claimed VT.

Because it would be even more strange that A50 had not said anything about it, and Gobble would be lynched on D3 following Icon's D2 lynch.

And if he claimed to be Tracker who followed Icon then it wouldn't have implicated Icon anyway, as it wouldn't disagree with what Icon had said, given Icon did 'visit' Alisae with the mail. As far as I remember, if you Track someone it tells you who they visited, not what they did, correct?

[Tchill13]

It's not uncommon for someone to claim vt as town at mass then claim something else on a later day phase. Imo A50 claiming vt doesn't implicate a later claim from gobble.

[Luca Blight]

N3 bodyguard locks him into a claim he can not use to manipulate the game at all at scum.

I don't see the genius in it.

Genius is perhaps an overstatement, but the benefit of it is that it

appears

to be a strange thing for scum to claim - hence your defence of him now.

If he claimed something obvious then I doubt anyone would have believed him. His obscure claim makes it an easier one to swallow.

[Tchill13]

DUDE I'M NOT SAYING HE CLAIMS DAY 2 THAT HE CAUGHT ICON ON THE KILL. HOW STUPID.

I'm saying he does that d3 in lylo...

[Luca Blight]

It's not uncommon for someone to claim vt as town at mass then claim something else on a later day phase. Imo A50 claiming vt doesn't implicate a later claim from gobble.

But A50 was prepared to die while maintaining his VT claim.

You see that makes no sense?

[Tchill13]

The obscurity forfeits manipulation of the game.

You think scum would prioritize obscurity over game manipulation in terms of a claim?

[Tchill13]

It's not uncommon for someone to claim vt as town at mass then claim something else on a later day phase. Imo A50 claiming vt doesn't implicate a later claim from gobble.

But A50 was prepared to die while maintaining his VT claim.

You see that makes no sense?

Do you see how spiteful A50 was being. Yes we were being ugly to him. I believe a player in that situation can be spiteful enough and emotionally effectied enough to want to screw the players being ugly to him. Even if that means he probably loses the game. Gobble could have pushed this narrative. I am pushing this narrative. A separate player.

[Luca Blight]

The obscurity forfeits manipulation of the game.

You think scum would prioritize obscurity over game manipulation in terms of a claim?

To survive, yes.

Given everyone else had claimed VT, his obscure claim was enough to get automatic Townreads from most of the player list. That is motive enough.

[Luca Blight]

It's not uncommon for someone to claim vt as town at mass then claim something else on a later day phase. Imo A50 claiming vt doesn't implicate a later claim from gobble.

But A50 was prepared to die while maintaining his VT claim.

You see that makes no sense?

Do you see how spiteful A50 was being. Yes we were being ugly to him. I believe a player in that situation can be spiteful enough and emotionally effectied enough to want to screw the players being ugly to him. Even if that means he probably loses the game. Gobble could have pushed this narrative. I am pushing this narrative. A separate player.

Who was being ugly to him?

A50, as I pointed out, seemed frustrated at not being able to prove he was Town. It therefore makes no sense not to claim his true role.