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[Judge Joseph Dredd]

That being said I don't understand why gamma is a top town read.

They are Masons! *Whistles*

[Carcalilly]

besides that I have a little list, in order. town top.

gamma
hectic/

Dave

garmr
yag/profi
Bob/billy
Jjd
Dalton/Kop
Eevee/Eleme
Cliff

hopkirk

/tchill

I'm aware I haven't explained the lowest end much yet. I'll do that someday.

Fixed this for you.

That being said I don't understand why gamma is a top town read.

haha

I'm absolutely sure about it. Don't worry about why.

[Carcalilly]

VOTE: cliff booth

Just checking in. Carca pointed out that not all players that flake have do so maliciously. Just assume I'm in that group. I'm pretty much just cutting my bullshit d1 out. Yall know how I progress in games lol. See yall D2.

I will let you off

just this once

because I doubt I could push a wagon on you and my read isn't that solid anyway.

But I'm going to take that as a promise, I won't hold back D2!

I just want to say I love the way you play mafia now compared to the last time. The effort is truly respectable.

Awww thank you! I think it was due to my tendancy to play more games than I could handle at the same time. I've taken to the one-by-one approach and directing all efforts into one game.

That and I'm no longer like..... 15

[Carcalilly]

besides that I have a little list, in order. town top.

gamma
hectic/hopkirk
garmr
yag/profi
Bob/billy
Jjd
Dalton/Kop
Eevee/Eleme
Cliff
Dave/tchill

I'm aware I haven't explained the lowest end much yet. I'll do that someday.

Why is hectic so high?

Point out a reason why he shouldn't be and I'll change it.

Aka, they haven't done anything (other than being humorously confusing in a nom-AI manner) to give me a reason to dislike them all game. Their posts are a good read; insightful, open-ended, varied, and I don't think anyone has had to push him to do these things.
Plus, everyone put below him are where they are due to little quirks and tinks sprinkled here and there about them, and for his post count, he has much less of these in comparison.

I don't believe he's scum here. If he is, I'm being hardpocketed. I already expressed my minor anxiety of this possibility.

[Carcalilly]

Why are people voting Carca

They probably aren't familiar with her play.

Are you, though?

[Carcalilly]

ok time time finally respond to this shit

Why are you acting like the foundation of my scumread on him is fact that he self voted? Why do you think that the self vote wasn't hypocritical given his explicit stance on the subject earlier? How does he gain a "point" for me pointing out the hypocrisy?

Like seriously what value are you seeing in his self-vote? Are you saying it's a town tell.

and yes I know you realized later that I didn't call it foundational but I still need to answer this

Primarily the lack of anything else besides this reason of yours relative to your vote.

You vote elements in a naked vote first, but

in between

him voting himself and you actually formulating a case, all these happen:

Spoiler:

I enjoy my Elements vote even more now

quick lynch elements go!

When he flips red I will have no choice but to scumhunt, and all of you will have no choice but to sheep me. it's a win/win really

the only 2 people I strongly want to lynch today were so quick to vote me up

I'm down to lynch elements or hopkirk so far. My gut tells me I want to lynch Gamma but that's why I don't want to lynch gamma. I could compromise on kop

i liked cliff's #750 toward judge jospeh dredd. it seemed earnest and unusually forward for scum to post. the only thing i dislike from his ISO is him jumping on the elements wagon when it was convenient for him to do so. i can't really get behind the wagon on him.

wasn't I the first person to vote for elements? even if I wasn't I've been critical of him more than I've been of anyone else. Well for reasons I am posting openly anyway

@Cliff -- I want you to actually play. Votes have multiple purposes.
If it's alongside the theme alt gimmick, that's fine, but do something. Acting like you don't need to take up the actual issues in the game is going to draw votes.

I'm considering this. I would really rather unleash my godlike scumhunting power after we lynch Elements the goon first

All implications of a heavy scum read with not much else supporting it.

And it might be knit picky but it's point #1 on your case. Likely it's the first thing you wrote/first thing you talked about. So there was an odd "primary" essence to it.

[Carcalilly]

And I'm pretty sure, in plain terms, the self-vote was an attempt to draw attention back to the game during a dry time/standstill. An attempt to get people reacting so the game moves forward. Sure, it worked minimally, but drawing negative attention to yourself is not something scum would sacrifice to get a gameball rolling. Scum's best interest would be to just not play the game during stoptimes and not do something as stupid as self vote.
I'm pretty sure given they've played mafia long enough, we've all done something stupid, against our best interests, in attempts to change gamestate.
Elements still probably thinks that self-voting is a terrible action, but to me that amplifies the fact that the self-risk by them was calculated. Was the risk on them worth it? If they're a VT, sure. If they're scum, no way.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Why are people voting Carca

They probably aren't familiar with her play.

Are you, though?

I think I am. You were Town in the game with FL & Saudade, and were scum in the game with RC, PP & skitter.. off the top of my head. I think you were town too in a game that someone dies if they were targeted? Not sure, and not gonna search the games.

[Carcalilly]

I'm actually slightly baffled you didn't see it.

[Carcalilly]

It's honestly astounding how you and garmr continue to misunderstand me despite me explaining. I'll spell it out simply for you.

I thought the last thing I said regards to your alignment was you might be town so are you saying I'm wrong on that.

this is low-key knit picky

[Carcalilly]

ya'll are asking about my Dave read but I'm pretty sure it's more than self explanatory

[Carcalilly]

but then again I don't know how naturally scummy Dave is because most games I've played with him... He's only posted so much :p

[davesaz]

I haven't done a single thing that any thinking town should see as scummy. Ever.

[davesaz]

This is the very definition of what town should do.

[Elements]

I haven't done a single thing that any thinking town should see as scummy. Ever.

This is the very definition of what town should do.

Are these meant to sound narcissistic?

[davesaz]

You're quite welcome to ask questions at any time.

Pedit: they're the bald faced truth.

[Cliff Booth]

And I'm pretty sure, in plain terms, the self-vote was an attempt to draw attention back to the game during a dry time/standstill.

Well to me it looked more like him trying to make the wagon and the people on it look stupid. It was a gambit, nothing more than that. To say that it was this attempt to breathe life back into the game is BS

[Elements]

And I'm pretty sure, in plain terms, the self-vote was an attempt to draw attention back to the game during a dry time/standstill.

Well to me it looked more like him trying to make the wagon and the people on it look stupid. It was a gambit, nothing more than that. To say that it was this attempt to breathe life back into the game is BS

why are you so close minded?

[Cliff Booth]

Because Carcalilly is defending you so hard when you've done pretty much nothing this game and is totally fine with you calling yourself an "active player" while you self vote after fluff posting and going after LHF the whole day.

[Elements]

The only thing I've been "going after" is a wagon. At no point have I said I wanted to lynch roster.

[davesaz]

And I'm pretty sure, in plain terms, the self-vote was an attempt to draw attention back to the game during a dry time/standstill.

Well to me it looked more like him trying to make the wagon and the people on it look stupid. It was a gambit, nothing more than that. To say that it was this attempt to breathe life back into the game is BS

I thought of a 3rd option, which I won't explain.
Between options 1 and 2, I'd lean towards 2.

[Elements]

And I'm pretty sure, in plain terms, the self-vote was an attempt to draw attention back to the game during a dry time/standstill.

Well to me it looked more like him trying to make the wagon and the people on it look stupid. It was a gambit, nothing more than that. To say that it was this attempt to breathe life back into the game is BS

I thought of a 3rd option, which I won't explain.
Between options 1 and 2, I'd lean towards 2.

Which option is which? And why aren't you explaining option 3?

[Cliff Booth]

Well aside from JJD you've only been after someone who isn't even playing the game and me after I said I wanted to lynch you. That doesn't exactly look spectacular.

[Cliff Booth]

Can we get some votes on elements ffs

[Cliff Booth]

if he's town then I'm a50's uncle