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[Hectic]

Because I was already scumreading Spam but there is still a possibility of it being Tchill, hence why I need to sort him.

Probably gonna do that tomorrow though.

Come the fuck on, man.
You must have SOMETHING else to say about these doc claims just now.
Like are you telling me you have absolutely nothing to say on Spam/Tchill since this 1v1?
Even if it's just a gutread or shitty first impressions, tell us, Aaron.

Right now, you're looking real fucking non-commital with your lack of any stance on it.

[Tchill13]

I agree with that. I would like to have an idea of what the team might be but my vote isn't coming off of spam at any point.

[AaronFrost]

What else is there to say?

One of them is scum, one of them is town. Simple as that. I've already said that I think the team is you and Spam, but that doesn't mean I've ruled out the possbility to Tchill being scum either, which is what 496 seems to imply.

[Tchill13]

I just want to know who spam "targeted" he didn't even give us that info.

[Hectic]

Let me word this differently:

Before Tchill and Spam claimed doc, you thought Spam was scum, Tchill was town.
Now that they've both claimed doc, has your read on them changed even a little?
Like is Spam even more scummy for you now? Or is he slightly less scummy?
If you look at the claims individually, which is more believable?
What do you think of Tchill claiming VT first, and then counterclaiming Spam once he'd claimed doc?

Your thoughts on any of these would be helpful. I'm trying to fucking work out if your reads have changed at all basically.

[Hectic]

Idk, if town!Spam does come out alive of this 1v1, we lose a whole lot of fucking utility in the night.

I think the payoff for hearing his night targets isn't worth the potential payoff of town!him blocking a kill.
Not right now anyway. If we're set on lynching him, we ask him then to see if his targets and reasoning changes our reads on him.

[Tchill13]

Isn't this lylo?...

Me/hectic/aaron/spam/skitter.

What does it matter "who" he can save n3 if we mislynch someone else today?

[Hectic]

Isn't this lylo?...

Me/hectic/aaron/spam/skitter.

What does it matter "who" he can save n3 if we mislynch someone else today?

From your town perspective, of course it makes no fucking sense.
But from our perspective, we have to consider scum!you and Spam blocking a kill in the night.
If he claims night targets now, there's no chance of that hapenning.

Though like I said, if a lynch is heading his way, then he claims.

[Hectic]

scum are able to crumb too.

Btw, I don't like Spam disappearing in the midst of some useful discussion right after that counterclaim.
But I know people have lives so I'll try not to consider this one too much.

[Tchill13]

Well this isn't a fun lylo. At least and probably only 1 scum in {Hectic, Tchill}, and Aaron as the other probably. I'm Town Indecisive Doctor. I can't protect the same person 2 nights in a row. I'd rather not claim who I've protected for obvious reasons.

We should be able to hear his 1st target.

[AaronFrost]

Let me word this differently:

Before Tchill and Spam claimed doc, you thought Spam was scum, Tchill was town.
Now that they've both claimed doc, has your read on them changed even a little?
Like is Spam even more scummy for you now? Or is he slightly less scummy?
If you look at the claims individually, which is more believable?
What do you think of Tchill claiming VT first, and then counterclaiming Spam once he'd claimed doc?

Your thoughts on any of these would be helpful. I'm trying to fucking work out if your reads have changed at all basically.

1) They haven't changed. I still think it's Spam over Tchill.
2) Him refusing to out who he's protected is odd. What are the 'obvious reasons' he's hiding that info? I don't think a town player has reason to hide that so slightly more scummy.
3) Tchill's. He crumbed, and Spam didn't. Scum players should be looking for crumbs so they know what to counter-claim during LyLo.
4) I think it makes sense to do that in order to see what your scumreads are gonna claim first. I think it's likely that this was a test to see if scum saw his crumb or not.

[Tchill13]

@aaron

He claims he can't target the same person 2 nights in a row. So his 2nd night doesn't need to be outed from towns perspective that think spam might be town (tbh I missed that until I reread) but we should be able to hear his n1 target.

[Hectic]

@aaron

He claims he can't target the same person 2 nights in a row. So his 2nd night doesn't need to be outed from towns perspective that think spam might be town (tbh I missed that until I reread) but we should be able to hear his n1 target.

Though this confirms his night 1 target as being not-safe to target for scum tonight, there's enough mindgames/WIFOM involved for this to be a good compromise.

[AaronFrost]

Yeah he should reveal his Night 1 target since I assume he can target him again tonight if he wanted.

Assuming town!Spam though, wouldn't it not matter since scum would just kill the doc anyways?

[Hectic]

Let me word this differently:

Before Tchill and Spam claimed doc, you thought Spam was scum, Tchill was town.
Now that they've both claimed doc, has your read on them changed even a little?
Like is Spam even more scummy for you now? Or is he slightly less scummy?
If you look at the claims individually, which is more believable?
What do you think of Tchill claiming VT first, and then counterclaiming Spam once he'd claimed doc?

Your thoughts on any of these would be helpful. I'm trying to fucking work out if your reads have changed at all basically.

1) They haven't changed. I still think it's Spam over Tchill.
2) Him refusing to out who he's protected is odd. What are the 'obvious reasons' he's hiding that info? I don't think a town player has reason to hide that so slightly more scummy.
3) Tchill's. He crumbed, and Spam didn't. Scum players should be looking for crumbs so they know what to counter-claim during LyLo.
4) I think it makes sense to do that in order to see what your scumreads are gonna claim first. I think it's likely that this was a test to see if scum saw his crumb or not.

Sending a fuckton of thanks your way. This helps.

Regarding 4, what exactly do you mean by he was testing to see if scum saw the crumb or not?
What do you think Tchill expected scum to do here in the scenarios where:
-They did spot his breadcrumb.
-They didn't.

[Hectic]

Yeah he should reveal his Night 1 target since I assume he can target him again tonight if he wanted.

Assuming town!Spam though, wouldn't it not matter since scum would just kill the doc anyways?

Are docs on mafiascum typically not allowed to self-target?

Some fucking shit docs if that's the case.
Like come the fuck on, bet I could perform open heart surgery on myself if I recieved a few gunshot wounds.

[AaronFrost]

Let me word this differently:

Before Tchill and Spam claimed doc, you thought Spam was scum, Tchill was town.
Now that they've both claimed doc, has your read on them changed even a little?
Like is Spam even more scummy for you now? Or is he slightly less scummy?
If you look at the claims individually, which is more believable?
What do you think of Tchill claiming VT first, and then counterclaiming Spam once he'd claimed doc?

Your thoughts on any of these would be helpful. I'm trying to fucking work out if your reads have changed at all basically.

1) They haven't changed. I still think it's Spam over Tchill.
2) Him refusing to out who he's protected is odd. What are the 'obvious reasons' he's hiding that info? I don't think a town player has reason to hide that so slightly more scummy.
3) Tchill's. He crumbed, and Spam didn't. Scum players should be looking for crumbs so they know what to counter-claim during LyLo.
4) I think it makes sense to do that in order to see what your scumreads are gonna claim first. I think it's likely that this was a test to see if scum saw his crumb or not.

Sending a fuckton of thanks your way. This helps.

Regarding 4, what exactly do you mean by he was testing to see if scum saw the crumb or not?
What do you think Tchill expected scum to do here in the scenarios where:
-They did spot his breadcrumb.
-They didn't.

Definitely expected them to spot it if this is the case. I think scum should be looking out for crumbs so they know what roles they can/can't claim.

Also I'm pretty sure doc can't self-target but if either of our docs could confirm this that'd be cool.

[Saladman27]

VC 3.2

VOTE: Cyan Talon tell me if i do better this time

Depends on you, buddy.

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AaronFrost, Hectic, skitter30

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Tchill13

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NotMySpamAccount

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Game Notes

- skitter30 is V/LA on Friday's and Saturdays
- NotMySpamAccount is partially V/LA until Monday

[Tchill13]

In my role pm it specifically says I can't target myself. Of course I'm not gonna quote it word for word.

[Tchill13]

I'll just let hectic do his thing before I interject.

[Hectic]

So you think scum!Spam spotted Tchill's breadcrumb, and that's why he claimed doc?

[AaronFrost]

Yeah that's my theory, at least for now.

I would like Tchill to confirm whether or not I'm right about why he claimed VT first.

[Tchill13]

I claimed vt because I crumbed doc (which would have absolved any doubt about my claim, but apparently not)

I did this early so I could see if anyone else claimed a protective. I also did this early so I could CC opposed to letting the other claim then me acting like I just randomly decided to CC said claim.

The only thing that is odd is spam had the courage to claim protective that early in the claims.

Of course that's precisely why I wanted my 2 scum reads to go first.

[Hectic]

Yeah that's my theory, at least for now.

I would like Tchill to confirm whether or not I'm right about why he claimed VT first.

Oh no, what the fuck have you done to your face, Aaron?
Gonna take a while to get used to that.

Why didn't scum!Spam kill Tchill in the night if he spotted his breadcrumb?
And why counterclaim doctor and force a 1v1 then? Wouldn't it be in his best interests to claim a PR role that doesn't force a 1v1?

[Hectic]

I claimed vt because I crumbed doc (which would have absolved any doubt about my claim, but apparently not)

I did this early so I could see if anyone else claimed a protective. I also did this early so I could CC opposed to letting the other claim then me acting like I just randomly decided to CC said claim.

The only thing that is odd is spam had the courage to claim protective that early in the claims.

Of course that's precisely why I wanted my 2 scum reads to go first.

You know, I'm definitely gonna have to fucking go through your ISO tomorrow to spot any breadcrumbs for other PRs.