Newbie 1953 | Zooborns IV | Game Over

[Plotinus]

official vote count 3.05

baby flamingo

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Lynching

With 5 votes in play, it takes 3 to lynch.

Leucosticte

(2): Micc, Farren

Micc

(1): Leucosticte

Not Voting

(2): skitter30, Jamelia

Deadline:

(expired on 2019-09-17 21:45:00).

Mod notes:

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[Farren]

How do you know Micc isn't scumteam trying to bus Chemist for the sake of townpoints? Seems like in some situations, you read it that way, but not in others.

Anyway, are you talking about "bad" logic or bad logic? Because I don't think my logic in post #20 was ever refuted, really. It's the same issue with regard to what you mentioned, about how some people hold others' RVS votes to a higher standard than their own. Of course they will; town players will always hold others' behavior to a higher standard than their own because they know other people might not be town, but they know their own motives are pure.

I can't eliminate that as a possibility. I think it's unlikely; I think scum-Micc is better served in that case to try to get Jamelia lynched, as at the time Micc voted for Chemist, that's where Mr Oobsy was voting for. Or alternately, scum-Micc could have renewed his push on you. But it's certainly possible.

I haven't seen a strong case against Micc, though. I've seen attacks on his progression. I've looked at his progression multiple times in multiple ways; I see nothing that appears to be faked. I haven't seen anything that boils down to "Micc would do X as scum but not as Town," "Micc would do Y as Town, but didn't do it," or "Micc says Z is scummy; here's Micc doing Z."

As far as post 20 is concerned: I'm honestly not sure how you could prove or refute that. I suspect it'd involve a lot of data collection, though, given that RVS isn't truly random. One starting point - a scum voting randomly in a 9 player game here (assuming no self-voting - which frankly is not a safe assumption) has a 1/8 of voting for their scumpartner. Take 100 Newbie games, look up the scum, see who they voted for first. What % of those starting scumvotes land on scum?

Sounds more like a problem to be tackled post-death, or post-game. I don't think it's going to be helpful here.

You'll have to explain what you mean by "bad" logic vs. bad logic, though.

[Jamelia]

VOTE: Leuco

[Plotinus]

official vote count 3.06

baby alpaca

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Lynching

With 5 votes in play, it takes 3 to lynch.

Leucosticte

(3): Micc, Farren, Jamelia

<--LYNCH

Micc

(1): Leucosticte

Not Voting

(1): skitter30

Deadline:

(expired on 2019-09-17 21:45:00).

Mod notes:

A lynch![/area]

[Plotinus]

Day 3 Lynch - Leucosticte

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Leucosticte has been lynched day 3. He was a

mafia goon.

The

town

, consisting of

Dryenz, friendly neighbor, Mr Oobsy, tracker

, and

vanilla townies: Farren, Jamelia, Micc, NorwegianBoyEE, Skitter30

have won Newbie 1953 | Zooborns IV!

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[Plotinus]

Game Events

day 1

• NorwegianboyEE
  is lynched with 1 scum on his wagon.

night 1

• Mr Oobsy
  is tracking
  skitter30
  . (success: skitter targeted nobody last night)
  
  Dyrenz
  is friendly neighbouring
  Leucosticte
  . (success: Leucosticte will learn that Dryenz is town)
  
• Leucosticte
  is killing
  Dryenz
  . (success: dies)
  
• Chemist1422 (SE)
  is rolecopping
  Farren
  . (success: farren is vanilla)

day 2

• Chemist1422 (SE)
  is lynched with 1 scum on his wagon.

night 2

• Mr Oobsy
  is tracking
  Jamelia
  .
  
• Leucosticte
  is killing
  Mr Oobsy
  .

day 3

• Leucosticte
  is lynched with 0 scum on his wagon.

Links

Links

• Public thread
  
• Mod PT
  
• Mafia PT (will be made public in (expired on 2019-09-15 09:10:00), or sooner if Chemist and Leuco agree)
  
• Dead thread (lots of spectator discussion!)
  
• Farren's Notes
  
• Micc's Notes

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[Plotinus]

This thread is now open for postgame discussion. You may post here even if you were dead and even if you didn't play!

[Micc]

Thanks for the game Plotinus. Great job as always.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Too easy. Mafia got rekt.

[Plotinus]

Thank you. If you enjoyed the game, feel free to sign up for another. You can /in as newbie until you've completed 5 newbie games. If you'd like to try a game with more player's that's starting soon, Skygazer's mini normal has 2 spots left. If you like open setups like this one, chennisden and nomnomnom have a couple in sign ups. There's also Democratic mafia in signups, if you're interested in what happens when town has some say in who the mafia kills at night

[Farren]

Two thumbs up for the moderation.

Thanks for the game, everyone!

[NorwegianboyEE]

Woah, nice analyzing on your PT Farren.

[Micc]

Hmm Farren’s notes dwarf mine in comparison. I guess his game posts probably did too. Good read though. I like the way you think about the game.

Dead thread was pretty locked in on the game too. Nice job.

This game was a nice return from a lengthy break from playing for me. Felt a little rusty, and really had to focus on keeping the apathy from settling in. Did good up until after Obbsy was outed Day 2, and ended up vote parking chemist day 2. Very thankful that read turned out to be correct despite my lack of confidence because it helped to relight the fire to push to the endgame.

Enjoyed the game and playerlist. Happy to answer questions of all sorts and provide overall feedback if any of the newbies request it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Why is there a countdown for seeing the mafia PT? Ugh.

[Plotinus]

in case they want to make any redactiions. it'll be released sooner if they both give the thumbs up

[Jamelia]

Oh yay!

That was so fun.

@Micc I apologize for being wrong on my scum read of you! I just wanted to put my opinion out there and I am happy that you and Farren convinced me otherwise. Regardless of the path I think winning is better than being right in this situation lol.

This was a great first game. It taught me a lot and I hope to see all of you around!

If there’s anything I can improve on please let me know

[tictac]

I had fun watching this

Leucosticte

is probably a town vanilla tbh but in the absence of any major scumtells, I don't have a problem with pushing him overboard if he's going to be a liability; we need the final group of players to be people whose judgment we can rely on

this post is kinda bad but I don't think it comes from scum most of the time?

just feels like a thought a town is more likely to have

This post is very funny in hindsight

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[NorwegianboyEE]

So do we get to see the mafia PT or not?

[Plotinus]

Thank you for reminding me! I completely lost track of time. Here it is: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=90&t=80704

[NorwegianboyEE]

Chemist: Unmotivated scum.
Leucosticte: Scum that tried too hard.

Ranking= 2/5

[Chemist1422]

not unmotivated, just overly anxious

[NorwegianboyEE]

- Town -
Farren’s skill ranking: S
Jamelia’s skill ranking: B+
Micc’s skill ranking: B
skitter30’s skill ranking: B
Dyrenz’s skill ranking: D-
Mr Oobsy’s skill ranking: E-
Town MVP: Farren

- Mafia -
Leucosticte’s skill ranking: D+
Chemist1422’s skill ranking: E-
Mafia MVP: Leucosticte

[skitter30]

gg everyone

thanks plot for modding!

farren, you were fantastic

[Micc]

@Micc I apologize for being wrong on my scum read of you! I just wanted to put my opinion out there and I am happy that you and Farren convinced me otherwise. Regardless of the path I think winning is better than being right in this situation lol.

I appreciate the thought, but no apology needed. Everyone gets scumread as town, everyone scum reads town at least as often as they scum read actual scum - that's just how the game works. You handled the situation really well. And I don't say that because you made the right read in the end, but because you did a good job explaining your stance, giving consideration to my response, and moving on before the topic became a distraction. I think those kinds of interactions are really important to town players finding each other, which from a theory standpoint, is a really powerful thing.