Magical Girls UPick - Heart of Shadow (Game Over)

[Tana and Ephraim]

Because if you are lying about having read the game, you are faking analysis. Which is the biggest red flag I know of in Mafia.

And your defensiveness here is giving you plenty of time to go and read it.

I would appreciate on an out of game level if you would stop trying to use my refusal to risk a ban when the moderators are itchy to pull the trigger on me anyway as ammunition in a game.

[Tana and Ephraim]

My proficiency as scum is high enough that I don't rely on falsehoods. If I wanted to use meta against you I'd do the due diligence to actually verify the meta and everyone in this game besides you knows that.
I literally am incapable of referencing the meta. It's done. It's not alignment indicative. If you want to call me scum then cite something else.

[Lady Eventide]

But it seems you're getting hung up over these "reasons" from "reading your games" instead of... you know, adressing the fact that i called your vote opportunistic, also you mentioned you wanted to hear more from us when there's a big ISO with posts from both, and we've consistently interacted with the playerbase and provided reads as we form them. But NOPE, apparently we're scum because RC read your games and figured you were scum from doing so, everything else be damned.
-Tana

... Huh. Interesting.

Yes, there is a big ISO. Nonetheless, I wanted to hear more. Wanting to hear more =/= calling you inactive, please do be clear regarding that.

I still want to hear more from RC and get real proof he's read WC1, but this feels good. I think Dolittle's my priority now, rather than you two.

VOTE: DrDolittle

[Lady Eventide]

My proficiency as scum is high enough that I don't rely on falsehoods. If I wanted to use meta against you I'd do the due diligence to actually verify the meta and everyone in this game besides you knows that.
I literally am incapable of referencing the meta. It's done. It's not alignment indicative. If you want to call me scum then cite something else.

Not relying on falsehoods =/= never using them.

Not asking you to reference the meta. Asking you to provide a single factual piece of information that demonstrates you have read WC1. I seriously don't understand how you can believe the mods to have such an itchy trigger finger.

[Tana and Ephraim]

Wanting to hear more =/= calling you inactive, please do be clear regarding that.

Ok, i acknowledge that this is what you meant and not what i thought you meant. But I still think there's enough information in our ISO to sort us instead of getting hung up over RC wanting to avoid getting banned because you made the mistake of linking an ongoing game before getting informed on this site's rules.

P-Edit: Believe me, they do.
-Tana

[Tana and Ephraim]

I was once banned for saying that a user "was not as smart as they think they are."

[Tana and Ephraim]

Ongoing games is literally one of the most touchy subjects in this site, because it can damage the integrity of them.
-Tana

[Lady Eventide]

I was once banned for saying that a user "was not as smart as they think they are."

... Wow, really???

Okay then I guess.

[Tana and Ephraim]

I can provide an arbitrary piece of evidence that I read WC1. What good does that do at this stage? If I hadn't read it when I said I had, I certainly could have read it by now, as you established.
Like I

can

do this but it objectively serves no purpose and I'd rather not provide ammunition towards keeping this game in the dangerous territory that it's already been in.

[Lady Eventide]

I can provide an arbitrary piece of evidence that I read WC1. What good does that do at this stage? If I hadn't read it when I said I had, I certainly could have read it by now, as you established.
Like I

can

do this but it objectively serves no purpose and I'd rather not provide ammunition towards keeping this game in the dangerous territory that it's already been in.

That's fair enough and I apologize. Now can we please get some pressure on someone who isn't me? Because 1: I'm town, 2: your read is wrong, and 3: I don't want the rest of this dayphase to go to waste due to my fuckup.

[Gamma Emerald]

[popsofctown]

I am not as smart as I think I am

[Lady Eventide]

Oh dear. I'm personally not a fan of all this hostile air, but I suppose that's mafia.

Evenstar's pretty transparently scum.

Wait my hydra partner already voted Evenstar.

I'm super proud of Tana rn

I think the best I can say is that if Eventide reveals as town, I hope people think about these two lines and what this certainty implies about Tana/Ephraim.

- lilliaire

[Katsuki]

I was once banned for saying that a user "was not as smart as they think they are."

Was it Firebringer?

[Tana and Ephraim]

if Eventide reveals as town, I hope people think about these two lines and what this certainty implies about Tana/Ephraim.

- lilliaire

if

Evenstar reveals as town? Is that in doubt?

[Tana and Ephraim]

I was once banned for saying that a user "was not as smart as they think they are."

Was it Firebringer?

No, it was RB.

[Katsuki]

lmao

[Katsuki]

he's a rock alright

[popsofctown]

Wow, like six pages of useless flaming overnight. Mafia must be laughing and laughing right now.

And it all started with pressure being put on Sailor Senshi, so guess where my vote's going?

VOTE: Sailor Senshi

If the thread explodes when someone gets pressured, >rand they're scum.

It feels like you're taking some mental shortcuts on the critical thinking here, in a way that I find a little scummy. "Guess where my vote's going?" has this air of justification to it.
That's apart from whether the heuristic is good. I prefer the heuristic I (re)posted in Role Call I to try to prevent the losing mislynch:

By the way I have developed this wonderful D1 tell relating to RC.

If the player
1. knows RC
2. goes hail mary on him D1

The player is most likely town.

The meta on 2/3rds of the slot suggests it should be pretty readable by lategame, so it'd take something that I unambiguously interpret as scummy for me to want to wagon it. I do agree it's survivalist scum-indicative that Krazy posted so quickly after the slot got any attention, and his characterization of the gamestate was very scum indicative too. But lots of stuff counsels the other way.

And I mean it, your iso is a sad read for a 30 page long game, Lady.

Can we call this slot something else since Lady Lambdadelta is also a Lady?

@DDL: is "leanscum" or "weak scummy" closer to cop guiltied for you?

Ugh, I wish I had the multi-iso tool from mafiauniverse here.

We have a multi-iso tool represented by a hyperlinked plus, max 3 slots.

No. I'm hoping we get even more developments and information by the time I'm revoting anywhere, and it might not be Senshi. I'm still possibly a sucker for the (fake?) townslip.

If you scumread me I hope I at least get to be town IRL, though.

Of course you're town IRL <3

What town slip did you see?

Also, where are the rest of your reads right now?

The first post saying "our role PMs imply it's singleball".
We don't have a sample mafia goon PM but it might have been phrased "your goal is for all the Hearts of Shadow to kill all others and for at least 1 member to survive." I guess it also might have been "kill all hearts of light" and then it's not a townslip at all.

Anything I said about what is present in your scum play would be tantamount to saying that it's not present in the same amount in your town play and thus would constitute discussing the town game to a level that I'm not comfortable with.

... If this is the actual rule I'm leaving this community. Because that's dumb as hell.

Nah pretty sure that's not the actual rule. It's pretty strict but not third order inferences strict.



Reads, for Dancefloor
Bitmap - Schrodinger's reread.
Café Stile - light green
Chaos Wind - hard town. There was an early post that was really could. I feel lazy. You'll have to find a way to make me not lazy. Without using those kitten powers you already expended. What a poor lifechoice you have made, Danceflor
DrDoLittle - Slightly town for not using drayma as an excuse to cop-out from playing mafia I think, though he hasn't gotten to play that much mafia yet.
gameplay506 - I feel kind of like volxen in Old Newbies in terms of seeing how my own meta could absolutely create a scumread on my slot, to the point of townreading the scumread. I find it curious RCEenigma hasn't done the same, only having 1 completed game of advantage on gameplay, and that being a game where he misread me. It raises the question of how possible it is to reset biases you had during a game when you incorporate new information in on a meta of a player? There's this other possibility that RCEnigma is just really damn good at mafia.
Gamma Emerald - He's kind of townie but I give him a harsh handicap on how townie I expect him to bleed.
HH, Katsuki, LLD - null
Tana and Ephraim - Sakura Hana did Sakura Hana obvtowning that I heard so many rumors about in the first few pages of the game before any of the muddle so I have the slot written off as town.
Titus - She seems hard to read, I've actually only played a couple RL days with Titus without being confirmed we share an alignment. Some of her positions seem convenient.
Promise Breaker - I lean town. I'm the wrong slot but I liked the general notion of trying not to miss the forest for the trees and not hone in on the grudge related voting patterns and look for voting patterns a bit more core to mafia.

[popsofctown]

I skipped Evenstar, she's probscum. Did I skip anyone else?

[Titus]

Wait, you've been here since 2008 and Anyone can post is the only game we played together?

[Tana and Ephraim]

Pops what's your LE read?

Nah pretty sure that's not the actual rule. It's pretty strict but not third order inferences strict.

I was once banned for tactical replacing solely on the conjecture that my replace might have been tactical. Meanwhile, Flavor Leaf EXPLICITLY STATES that he's tactically replacing and doesn't get banned.
In the same banned, I was accused of bringing outside influences because me and Titus cited an email conversation that we had had outside of the thread. Something that most people do a lot.
I attempted to appeal the ban but I didn't get a response until anything that I had said until after the ban had expired, similarly to the ban for the RB situation.

This is mafiascum, it's not a question of your actions it's a question of how the mods feel about you.

[Tana and Ephraim]

And I don't mean literally cited. I mean that we referenced a conversation that happened outside of the game. Same thing LLD and LE did in this game. Doesn't matter, if I do it it's banworthy.

[Tana and Ephraim]

Like the situation was something along the lines of "well you said that you weren't going to do X thing" "no I didn't and/or that's not what I meant". but nah.

[Gamma Emerald]

but I give him a harsh handicap on how townie I expect him to bleed.

What does this mean