Alisae V Pine: Trees Apparently Make Good Treestumps

[Alisae]

mastina, i hope u didn't actually copy and paste your role pm in here, because i don't think that's kosher regardless of mod rules.

varsoon literally got banned a few months ago doing that.

and varsoon made an argument that the rules didn't say he couldn't copy and paste his role pm as reason for why he could do it, btw.

are we really talking about this.

[Jingle]

This is not PROVABLY quoting privileged information, so it should be legal for me to do.

It's explicitly kosher, in fact.

I feel like I've explained this 6 or 7 times this game, but as long as you avoid actual quote tags, links to PTs, screenshots, etc. you're good.

[mastina]

Aren't role PMs supposed to be insanely customized or some shit? Mastina quoting hers is extremely ehhhhhhh

Hey, when the mod leaves legal loopholes...damn right I will exploit them.

As long as I don't eat a modkill or ban, anything's fair game--and by the looseness of Jingle's rule, nothing I did was modkillable because I didn't break any rule. I pushed the rule to the furthest it could be without being broken, but there's no provable quote of privileged information.

When people call me a fucking liar.

When I am not fucking lying.

Damn fucking straight.

I will prove that I'm not fucking lying.

[Firebringer]

This is not PROVABLY quoting privileged information, so it should be legal for me to do.

It's explicitly kosher, in fact.

I feel like I've explained this 6 or 7 times this game, but as long as you avoid actual quote tags, links to PTs, screenshots, etc. you're good.

Good to know.

[Krazy]

The OMGUS reaction was extreme and you refused to engage with me beyond that

Well, I've never seen you as town aggressively argue that a simple group of posts discussing mech is "so fucking fake"

I mean, you were in Merchant's Dance. People were sick of talking about who had the most coins and how we should play as a result, and I was very much in that discussion, and changed my interpretation of how the mech should inform play like two or three times. So I just find it very unusual for you to take a look at some mech discussion and call it "fake" -- especially when you yourself are talking about the same mech at the same time and offering questionable(?) theories about its use.

[GreyICE]

The only purpose of a loyal bodyguard is so you don't accidentally BG scum. I guess there's some weird tracker interactions that turn it into a cop, but w/e. It's a claim custom-designed not to live until endgame, which isn't how Mastina rolls. My only caveat is it's a fucking STUPID claim, because if you claim it, you are then vulnerable to roleblocking, which makes it totally useless. So, um, this assumes Mastina decided to derp it. Which would be expected.

*sigh*

Whatever, problem for a different day. Why is Pops scum. Lets go check this out.

Also Aristophanes is still alive. We should work on correcting that with prejudice.

[Dannflor]

I don't think Ankamius targets a scum read anymore

and Menalque was still a scum read for Ank late D1 pretty sure

[Formerfish]

Aren't role PMs supposed to be insanely customized or some shit? Mastina quoting hers is extremely ehhhhhhh

Hey, when the mod leaves legal loopholes...damn right I will exploit them.

As long as I don't eat a modkill or ban, anything's fair game--and by the looseness of Jingle's rule, nothing I did was modkillable because I didn't break any rule. I pushed the rule to the furthest it could be without being broken, but there's no provable quote of privileged information.

When people call me a fucking liar.

When I am not fucking lying.

Damn fucking straight.

I will prove that I'm not fucking lying.

you being a BG would explain why you were there, and then her not dying you are trying to pin on her hiding. So if anyone was watching her they would see you and you could explain it away with youre a BG and she died from hiding, look over there shiney things...

Scum caught.

[Firebringer]

The only purpose of a loyal bodyguard is so you don't accidentally BG scum. I guess there's some weird tracker interactions that turn it into a cop, but w/e. It's a claim custom-designed not to live until endgame, which isn't how Mastina rolls. My only caveat is it's a fucking STUPID claim, because if you claim it, you are then vulnerable to roleblocking, which makes it totally useless. So, um, this assumes Mastina decided to derp it. Which would be expected.

*sigh*

Whatever, problem for a different day. Why is Pops scum. Lets go check this out.

Also Aristophanes is still alive. We should work on correcting that with prejudice.

the loyal part of the claim is just something in all our role pms...

[Alisae]

You literally could have asked Jingle for a fakeclaim of that natur-

Oh fuck it
Maybe mastina could be town?

This angleshooting feels town.

[Dannflor]

The OMGUS reaction was extreme and you refused to engage with me beyond that

Well, I've never seen you as town aggressively argue that a simple group of posts discussing mech is "so fucking fake"

I mean, you were in Merchant's Dance. People were sick of talking about who had the most coins and how we should play as a result, and I was very much in that discussion, and changed my interpretation of how the mech should inform play like two or three times. So I just find it very unusual for you to take a look at some mech discussion and call it "fake" -- especially when you yourself are talking about the same mech at the same time and offering questionable(?) theories about its use.

Maybe I was too aggressive

but I did find it fake

I know how much you like talking about mech and I'm very familiar with it from MD, your posts yesterday did not line up with what I'd expect from you

and then you coupled it with a very weird "plausible scum read" on me

[Dannflor]

you being a BG would explain why you were there, and then her not dying you are trying to pin on her hiding. So if anyone was watching her they would see you and you could explain it away with youre a BG and she died from hiding, look over there shiney things...

Scum caught.

Uhhhhhhhhhhhh

This relies on Ank not using her action, right?

[GreyICE]

oh okay. So it's not explicitly a loyal modifier. Damn

[the worst]

Jeez I hope Gamma isn't scum here that would upset me

[Firebringer]

you being a BG would explain why you were there, and then her not dying you are trying to pin on her hiding. So if anyone was watching her they would see you and you could explain it away with youre a BG and she died from hiding, look over there shiney things...

Scum caught.

Uhhhhhhhhhhhh

This relies on Ank not using her action, right?

pretty sure formerfish was making a joke

[popsofctown]

Obviously I'm biased but I think mastina seems like the strongest crumb

It really doesn't look like a strong crumb though. How much protown behavior are we going to presume from a player that tried to delete the one-shot watcher? She's a good player but she didn't seem in the mood to minmax mechanics is what I'm saying, so maybe she just didn't crumb because she was hiding a townread anyway and she got surprised by the results.

[GreyICE]

Okay I was wrong about pops

dammit

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay I guess the "personalized role PM" thing never happened
I checked Ank's flip and the role wasn't woven in the flavor in any way
But there's the fact that Mastina had that available to just change to a bodyguard role PM so I'm not convinced by usage of the role PM to prove anything

[the worst]

ok but she was weak and also Ank is smart

[Krazy]

I don't think Ankamius targets a scum read anymore

and Menalque was still a scum read for Ank late D1 pretty sure

So what's your theory then?

[Alisae]

Okay I guess the "personalized role PM" thing never happened
I checked Ank's flip and the role wasn't woven in the flavor in any way
But there's the fact that Mastina had that available to just change to a bodyguard role PM so I'm not convinced by usage of the role PM to prove anything

we scrapped the personalized role pms and instead we’re doing our messages.
Me and Pine can send those out.

[the worst]

Okay I was wrong about pops

dammit

what makes you say so, so enthusiastically?

[Firebringer]

I think the worst or mastina is who ank hide behind.

and I am not just saying that because I want mastina lynched
and I scumread the worst for al long time.

nope, I am doing that based on STRONG EVIDENCE, in anks posts. Obviously.

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay I guess the "personalized role PM" thing never happened
I checked Ank's flip and the role wasn't woven in the flavor in any way
But there's the fact that Mastina had that available to just change to a bodyguard role PM so I'm not convinced by usage of the role PM to prove anything

we scrapped the personalized role pms and instead we’re doing our messages.
Me and Pine can send those out.

Ah thanks

[mastina]

You literally could have asked Jingle for a fakeclaim of that natur-

Exercise.

Find a single fucking scumgame.
So much as ONE.

Where I fucking fakeclaim.

I've been scum, like, 120 times?

Find one.

I'll let you in on a secret.

In all of those scumgames.

I can't say "it's never happened", because it has.
Once.

Let's see if you can find it.

Because I don't fucking fakeclaim as scum.
Sure, yeah, I will lie and mislead as town. I'll troll as town. I'll tell obvious falsehoods as town. And as scum, I am capable of faking that process, of exaggerating the truth, of making it seem like I'm something I'm not--but push come to shove when I actually claim my real role. As scum I don't fucking lie and as town it's not nearly as common as people fucking think.

Because the truth is the greatest weapon you have at your disposal, and if you weaponize the truth, you're more sincere. Staying true to your role PM makes you more genuine, and that genuineness garners townreads.

It's a fucking stupid idea to fakeclaim as scum because it's setting yourself to a narrative you know is a lie and when you know your narrative is bullshit it's hard to keep bullshitting to it.

This is my widely-known, widely-established, stance on roleclaiming which you have literally fucking hundreds of games to track down me saying this shit in. Like, I've said it in MD, I've said it in dozens of games as both town and scum albeit usually town because when I am making this rant it is usually because people aren't fucking believing my claim when I make it in spite of literally every reason to be telling the truth.