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[AaronFrost]

Couple questions for Spam.

1) Did you notice Tchill's crumb D1? If so, what did you think about it initially?

2) What's been your general approach to this game? Looking through your ISO, I'm struggling to find much town motivation from your play so far.

3) This one's more of a question for everyone I guess but is it standard for doc role PMs to say that you can't target yourself? I know there are some variations where the doc can target himself, but isn't it assumed that you can't in most cases?

1. No

2. I just haven't had much motivation at all. That's often true up to lylo for me.

I'm still failing to see how that comes from a townie perspective. Scum already know who's who and have less motivation because of that.

[Saladman27]

VC 3.4

Newbies, here’s some advice on how to play mafia from your local Semi-Exhausted. If your private message from teacher says you are a “mafia”, please kindly state so as such by typing “I am a mafia” in the white box at the bottom of the page. Then please place your name between bracketed v’s (V stands for Very cool) so that you can affirm to the entire game your awesomeness.

And then you will die.

Not Voting (3) -

AaronFrost, Hectic, skitter30

NMSA (1) -

Tchill13

Tchill13 (1) -

NotMySpamAccount

With

5

alive, it takes

3

to hammer.
Day 1 ends in

(expired on 2019-09-29 08:00:00)

Game Notes

- skitter30 is V/LA on Friday's and Saturdays
- NotMySpamAccount is partially V/LA until Monday

[AaronFrost]

@skitter: 486

Haven't actually bothered ISOing Aaron/rereading the game yet.

Also his lack of a stance on Tchill/Spam after their claims until I really had to fucking push him to give some opinions on it.
Though the opinions he finally did give were good.

Except they were opinions I had already stated or was in the process of forming so I don't understand why you needed to push me there.

[AaronFrost]

Why is Aaron fucking Frost obvtown?

After this game I'm gonna ask the mods if I can change my username to Aaron Fucking Frost.

[AaronFrost]

If Skitter is somehow scum here I'm going to eat my shorts.

[skitter30]

Aaron which of the two do u think it is?

[AaronFrost]

Between you/Hectic or between Tchill/Spam?

[skitter30]

Well i meant tchill/spam but you might as well answer both

[AaronFrost]

Thought I explained this already but yeah Spam is my stronger scumread.

Between you and Hectic, definitely Hectic. I don't like how he's trying to push me as aggressively as he is when our objective here is to decide between Spam and Tchill.

[Tchill13]

The only person that hadn't claimed b4 NotMySpamAccount was skitter I believe. So "points me" or however he said it.

I like the claim from NotMySpamAccount. The indecisive adds a spice to it that makes it more believable. I just think you were unlucky because there's an actual protective.

You also are on the original azure wagon. You had seen that me and hectic had claimed vt by the time you claimed protective. This would have given you higher cred than me or hectic and you could have focused on one of our lynches. I'll have to go back and check which way it seems like you were about to push.

Well this isn't a fun lylo. At least and probably only 1 scum in {Hectic, Tchill}, and Aaron as the other probably. I'm Town Indecisive Doctor. I can't protect the same person 2 nights in a row. I'd rather not claim who I've protected for obvious reasons.

Yeah by poe, aaron is almost certainly scum.

Lol look at this.

Leaving this here.

[Hectic]

Well, shit, this doesn't bode well.

If you're town, Aaron, I'm not aggressively pushing you, I'm trying to get some fucking thoughts out of you so that I can sort you/skitter tomorrow assuming we lynch correctly today.

But fuck me, you're both scumreading me.
The fact skitter claimed VT last when she probably could've got away with some kind of PR claim does give her some points.
But I don't really know what exactly she'd claim here that would be fair.

@Spam: Remind me of your Aaron scumread me?

[skitter30]

Hectic that's the kind of post i dont much like ^

[Hectic]

Thanks for that.

@mod: V/LA 17th to 21st.

[skitter30]

so this is fun

[skitter30]

hectic i know this is going to be a while since you've gone vla but when you get back, i need you to show me why you're town

if we get it right today given the current gamestate i'm probably going to be holding hammer tomorrow so if you're town you need to explain to me why i should be voting aaron over you

[Hectic]

I really don't fucking like you setting this narrative of Aaron vs me tomorrow with you as the deciding vote.

I'm actually really unsure on you and Aaron right now. Aaron has improved the last couple of irl days.

[AaronFrost]

I actually agree with Hectic on this one. That statement seems to imply that you're conf!town which is far from the case. Just because we're both townreading you doesn't make you conf!town.

This might just be paranoia speaking but now I'm feeling like it could be skitter. Hectic is still my stronger scumread, but I haven't ruled out scum!skitter either. It's not gonna matter if we mislynch today though.

[skitter30]

I really don't fucking like you setting this narrative of Aaron vs me tomorrow with you as the deciding vote.

I'm actually really unsure on you and Aaron right now. Aaron has improved the last couple of irl days.

Hectic if it wasnt lylo with another 1v1 we need to sort i'd prob be voting you rn

How has aaron improved?

[skitter30]

I actually agree with Hectic on this one. That statement seems to imply that you're conf!town which is far from the case. Just because we're both townreading you doesn't make you conf!town.

This might just be paranoia speaking but now I'm feeling like it could be skitter. Hectic is still my stronger scumread, but I haven't ruled out scum!skitter either. It's not gonna matter if we mislynch today though.

Nope, not conftown by any means, just reading the gamestate and recognizing a pattern i've seen many times before

I hope spam comes back soon, 1v1s are kinda boring while we wait for one of the primary members to get off vla

[AaronFrost]

Spam where you at dude.

If you're town, then convince me that you are.

[NotMySpamAccount]

It specifically says I'm not allowed to self heal, just double checked. I don't see how ppl don't specify that anyway due to new players coming the the site.

ok, we'll just have to let this rest. According to Hectic, Salad hasn't modded before, so while the vast majority of role pms don't specify (which is good evidenc that you're lying), we can't be sure. Let's do this based on content.

@skitter: Why am I scum over Aaron? Like give specifics.

You pushed both the mislynches +

aaron is just obvtown

Uhh no????

Well this isn't a fun lylo. At least and probably only 1 scum in {Hectic, Tchill}, and Aaron as the other probably. I'm Town Indecisive Doctor. I can't protect the same person 2 nights in a row. I'd rather not claim who I've protected for obvious reasons.

Yeah by poe, aaron is almost certainly scum.

Lol look at this.

I'm looking, but what I see missing is the explanation I made later for that post. Solid misrep.

So I'm not really familiar with this fucking "mafiascum wiki", but I went and had a good look at the Normal Game page.
And it does say shit like:

"If you are moderating on mafiascum.net in the Newbie, Open, or Normal queues, your game must follow the appropriate guidelines below."
and
"All flavor should be public; flavor is not allowed in Role PMs. Role names should be standard, or non-flavored if original."
-though this more about flavour.

A standard doctor PM according to the Doctor page looks like this:

Welcome, [Player Name], you are a

Town Doctor.

Abilities:

• Each night phase, you may attempt to protect one player in the game from being nightkilled.

Win condition:

• You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.

Like how fucking likely is it that Saladman would include the "can't self-target" thing in the role PM.
Fuck, I hate playing mod WIFOM but I feel like this shouldn't be ignored.

This precisely. Salad is a first time mod too. This is the last thing I'll say on the subject, since I assume you (as scum backed into a corner) have no objections to dropping it.

@skitter: Why am I scum over Aaron? Like give specifics.

You pushed both the mislynches + aaron is just obvtown

Why is Aaron fucking Frost obvtown?

It's just been, well, obvious for most of the game

He's arguing in good faith, he's reconsidering things when he ought to, his thoughts are internally consistent, he's been making astute observations

What do u think is scummy exactly ?

I mean it hasn't been obvious. I'd have to go back over his iso for specifics, which I'll do after this wallpost, but he's rubbed me the wrong way for most of the game.

So I'm not really familiar with this fucking "mafiascum wiki", but I went and had a good look at the Normal Game page.
And it does say shit like:

"If you are moderating on mafiascum.net in the Newbie, Open, or Normal queues, your game must follow the appropriate guidelines below."
and
"All flavor should be public; flavor is not allowed in Role PMs. Role names should be standard, or non-flavored if original."
-though this more about flavour.

A standard doctor PM according to the Doctor page looks like this:

Welcome, [Player Name], you are a

Town Doctor.

Abilities:

• Each night phase, you may attempt to protect one player in the game from being nightkilled.

Win condition:

• You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.

Like how fucking likely is it that Saladman would include the "can't self-target" thing in the role PM.
Fuck, I hate playing mod WIFOM but I feel like this shouldn't be ignored.

Yeah it'd be pretty stupid of me to check the same wiki you have as scum and then double down on the fact that in my PM it specifically stated I can't self target.

I mean once you committed to one, you couldn't really let up, could you?

@skitter: 486

Haven't actually bothered ISOing Aaron/rereading the game yet.

Also his lack of a stance on Tchill/Spam after their claims until I really had to fucking push him to give some opinions on it.
Though the opinions he finally did give were good.

I think I'll just keep mindmelding with this dude for the rest of the game, I'm enjoying it.

@skitter: 486

Haven't actually bothered ISOing Aaron/rereading the game yet.

Also his lack of a stance on Tchill/Spam after their claims until I really had to fucking push him to give some opinions on it.
Though the opinions he finally did give were good.

Idk
I can understand wanting to take some time to sort out the pr mess

From my pov there's one scum in tchill/spam and one in you/aaron and

between the two of you aaron is about 45 times townier

That's debatable. from mine, hectic and surprisingly aaron are having a pretty good day 3, while you aren't. didn't expect that.

Couple questions for Spam.

1) Did you notice Tchill's crumb D1? If so, what did you think about it initially?

2) What's been your general approach to this game? Looking through your ISO, I'm struggling to find much town motivation from your play so far.

3) This one's more of a question for everyone I guess but is it standard for doc role PMs to say that you can't target yourself? I know there are some variations where the doc can target himself, but isn't it assumed that you can't in most cases?

1. No

2. I just haven't had much motivation at all. That's often true up to lylo for me.

I'm still failing to see how that comes from a townie perspective. Scum already know who's who and have less motivation because of that.

Believe me, town can very easily be unmotivated. check my meta and you'll see that I'm frequently unmotivated up to lylo or lylo-1.

Why is Aaron fucking Frost obvtown?

After this game I'm gonna ask the mods if I can change my username to Aaron Fucking Frost.

I wish username changes were possible, that would be funny. at the very least, I'll gladly propose it as a title for you postgame.

Well, shit, this doesn't bode well.

If you're town, Aaron, I'm not aggressively pushing you, I'm trying to get some fucking thoughts out of you so that I can sort you/skitter tomorrow assuming we lynch correctly today.

But fuck me, you're both scumreading me.
The fact skitter claimed VT last when she probably could've got away with some kind of PR claim does give her some points.
But I don't really know what exactly she'd claim here that would be fair.

@Spam: Remind me of your Aaron scumread me?

to be taken care of post-wall post

hectic i know this is going to be a while since you've gone vla but when you get back, i need you to show me why you're town

if we get it right today given the current gamestate i'm probably going to be holding hammer tomorrow so if you're town you need to explain to me why i should be voting aaron over you

ok that's a bad one right there

I really don't fucking like you setting this narrative of Aaron vs me tomorrow with you as the deciding vote.

I'm actually really unsure on you and Aaron right now. Aaron has improved the last couple of irl days.

*mindmeld continues*

I actually agree with Hectic on this one. That statement seems to imply that you're conf!town which is far from the case. Just because we're both townreading you doesn't make you conf!town.

This might just be paranoia speaking but now I'm feeling like it could be skitter. Hectic is still my stronger scumread, but I haven't ruled out scum!skitter either. It's not gonna matter if we mislynch today though.

hmm, not sure what to think of this post.

Spam where you at dude.

If you're town, then convince me that you are.

Ask me whatever once I finish isoing you. I'm glad to answer. The same goes for everyone else.

[NotMySpamAccount]

I'm about 10 posts into Aaron's iso rn, and honestly, it's sounding more like newish town than scum. I'm not sure what prompted my original sr there, but I'm starting to lean a bit more town. Also, with skitter claiming vt, that puts her solidly back in the scumpool.

[NotMySpamAccount]

Yeah I'm not sure what prompted my sr other than maybe subconcious omgus. His iso is actually pretty good. skitter, you're in the hot seat now.

[NotMySpamAccount]

@mod, error in the vc, I'm the only one voting Azu but it says 2 votes.

It doesn't look like

I'll

get Azu today, so let's try going back to VOTE: reaper('s replacement)

I think this might be a scum slip that everyone somehow missed.

O yeah, for got about this post. it still sucks.

[NotMySpamAccount]

Throw questionsa t me ladies and gents, I'm back from v/la and topped up on motivation.