Mini Normal 2098 - Game Over! (Mafia Won)

[Kraeg]

That's a misrep. I never acknowledged that the 3 roles can be present. I was only stating the possibility of a JK and RB in one setup. But then Garmr retracted it and then profi claimed IC. The town may have an RB and IC or maybe and RB and another role or maybe just an RB.

I was just calling profi out regarding the confirmation of IC. This may be another lie.

[profii]

Can you take a stance on what you think is most likely here then

[profii]

Oh and I dont just mean the role claim stuff.
The mohab wagon just flew together at the end, do you think scum is in there? What's your guess

[Skellen]

If you are pocketing me and letting town mislynch kraeg by apathetically letting us head towards it i will be quite unhappy, Skellen

Eh, but what can I do~. The ball is in Kraeg's court.

I mean let's look at it this way, let's assume Kraeg is town, who could be scum? Without going too much in-depth: Not you, because IC stuff will self-resolve (and I don't think by play either), if Garmr is scum then there is some serious 4D chess at play here, so rather nah. Billy makes no sense with his stance that Kraeg/Garmr is TvT, I don't think scum would miss out a chance to get a PR lynched. This would leave flippy/Luca as only pair that can make sense imo, so that's also good enough.

Now I can see scum!Luca moving to Mohab instead of town!Kraeg to play it safe, but I kind of feel that scum!flippy would have been less hesitant and would have hammered Kraeg, not instantly though. I played only once with scum!flippy and it has been a while ago, but there he had no problem with coming out of nowhere and voting a scummy townie who softed a PR up to L-1 despite the majority not being ready to lynch. Admittedly I have to check if flippy was around when Garmr voted Kraeg again back up to L-1.

And then there is always the off-wagon kill, who kinds of leads to the Mohab wagon. I just don't see why scum would lynch Mohab over town!Kraeg, there were two townies after all already on Kraeg after Garmr's retracted claim.

[Billy Pilgrim]

I'm completely lost in this game. I felt like a massclaim would help me, but there's no takers for that. I'm terrified at the moment that Profii is deepwolfing here. I also think everyone seems set on Kraeg scum, but I don't know what team makes sense there. Skellen proposed Flippy, but if I remember, Flippy was ready to hammer him a little while ago and didn't push anyone as a counter wagon at the time. I'm worried that scum is pushing Kraeg as an easy target here, and given the NK that seems almost too convenient.

I don't like the way that Profii pushed me yesterday, and then it seemed like he was setting up Luca and me on his way out the gate today but quickly went to Kraeg when it seemed like there was more knterest for that as a target.

You daring someone to come after you because you want to see who will push you, I think it may be a bluff. You're de facto town leader at this point, so if you can confirm yourself town, do it. Because right now, my paranoia is kicking in and I think you're steering us off a cliff.

VOTE: Profii

[profii]

The fact you are on verge of melt down does indicate you are town billy

[Emperor flippyNips]

I want to see who pushes me

Why not do it now so we can conf!town you? Instead of waiting for a push that probably won’t happen till lylo?

[Luca Blight]

I think, given we are about to Lynch the claimed RB, it would be a good idea to mass-claim here.

Let’s do this popcorn style. I will start. I want Flippy to go next.

I am a VT.

[Emperor flippyNips]

I want to see who pushes me

Why not do it now so we can conf!town you? Instead of waiting for a push that probably won’t happen till lylo?

Why not just do it now instead of stalling? So we can for sure rule you out while there’s a lot of time left in the day?

[Emperor flippyNips]

Like am I wrong here? If I am someone please let me know

[Luca Blight]

Flippy, claim now.

[profii]

Urgh fine

Please confirm my role....

[Luca Blight]

Ok, Profii and I are

Masons.

we are both confirmed Town to each other.

I wanted to wait a bit to see if anyone fake-claimed as there can’t be many other pr’s in this game.

Flippy claims next.

[profii]

Hard claiming mason

I said I became an IC tomorrow because we had an idea it would come to this and I'm essentially verified by another player (I was careful not to say mod confirmed)

There are a couple of minor bread crumbs and I specifically never scum read luca if anyone wants to check

[Luca Blight]

And the only time I ‘suspected’ Profii was twilight of D1, to try and save him from a NK, which seemed to work.

[Garmr]

Hard claiming mason

I said I became an IC tomorrow because we had an idea it would come to this and I'm essentially verified by another player (I was careful not to say mod confirmed)

There are a couple of minor bread crumbs and I specifically never scum read luca if anyone wants to check

oh that's why you believed in Lucas case on me day 1 despite it being shit. I can buy that.

[profii]

Yep

[profii]

Amusingly luca tried to copy my reads... it came across unnaturally and you picked up on it but I just had to support luca

[Garmr]

Amusingly luca tried to copy my reads... it came across unnaturally and you picked up on it but I just had to support luca

this makes the game so much easier actually
UNVOTE: kreag
if no one claims a active role that would confirm kreag as town btw im vt.

[Luca Blight]

I don’t think I’ve ever ‘cased’ someone a few pages into a game. The ‘case’ was entirely in your mind, Garmr.

It was pretty strange how much confidence you had in your own ‘case’, however.

Also it’s very possible that masons could be the only Town PR (take a look at the newbie setups). Don’t let Kraeg off the hook just yet.

[Emperor flippyNips]

Okay. I’ll roll with it. I’m vt

[profii]

See I'm siding with Luca here

When you said popular opinion is profii = town I actually checked and 3 people had put me, let's say, the town side of the line... one of those 3 was Luca, who you (garmr) scum read at the time so at that point alarm bells were ringing that you actually just knew I was town (I.e. TMI) and rolled with it

That's why I was asking about how well you think you can read me

The only thing stopping me voting you right now is you say you omitted the reasons you think I'm town (tell me about them please) for a reaction test (tell me what you learnt please)

I dont like the PR stuff either but the less said the better

Lucas just town as far as I'm concerned we see the game very similarly so I'm gonna roll with that

If you want to vote me go for it no need to hold back. I'm fine with making luca and me the leading wagons. But if I end up mislynched somehow Sheep my opinions as they are better than yours if you town read Luca.

I'll circle back to this later.

I knew we'd be back at some point - I was really lol'ing my rofl off at this when it happened

[profii]

VOTE COUNT 1.7

Mohab500 (1) - Billy Pilgrim
Skellen (0) -
Luca Blight (2) - Garmr, Emperor FlippyNips
Garmr (0) -
Emperor FlippyNips (0) -
profii (0) -
NorwegianboyEE (1) - Kraeg

L-1

Kraeg (4) -

NorwegianboyEE, Mohab500,

Skellen,

profii

Billy Pilgrim (1) -

Not Voting:

Luca Blight

ACTIVITY NOTES:
Luca Blight is V/LA through Monday, Sept 9
Skellen has been prodded.

With 9 alive, it takes 5 votes to lynch.

Day 1 deadline is Friday, September 13th at 10:00 am PDT which is in

(expired on 2019-09-13 10:00:00)

VOTE COUNT 1.8

Mohab500

(1) - Billy Pilgrim
Skellen (0) -
Luca Blight (0) -
Garmr (0) -
Emperor FlippyNips (0) -
profii (0) -

NorwegianboyEE

(1) - Kraeg[/color]

L-1

Kraeg (4) -

NorwegianboyEE, Mohab500

, Skellen, Garmr
Billy Pilgrim (0) -

Not Voting:

Luca Blight

, Emperor FlippyNips,

profii

VOTE COUNT 1.13

L-1

Mohab500

(4) - Billy Pilgrim, Kraeg,

Luca Blight

,Garmr
Skellen (0) -
Luca Blight (0) -
Garmr (0) -
Emperor FlippyNips (0) -
profii (0) -
NorwegianboyEE (0) -
Kraeg (2) -

Mohab5

NorwegianboyEE

Billy Pilgrim (0) - 00,

Not Voting: Emperor FlippyNips, Skellen,

profii

ACTIVITY NOTES:
All is good!

With 9 alive, it takes 5 votes to lynch.

Day 1 deadline is Friday, September 13th at 10:00 am PDT which is in

(expired on 2019-09-13 10:00:00)

Hmm the first two are interesting. Me and profii are in the same position on two different vote counts but the situation is different.

Profii jumps off because of the roleclaim while I Jump on. I think skellen is town so from my pov the entire wagon on kreag is town. So profii should either be really suspicious of skellen or kreag since he seems to town read me. Becuase if kreag is town at the point Profii was on multiple people could of hammered and easily of used the excuse but Kreag roleclaim was scummy. Also while kreag himself acted like both roles could coexist so did Billy. While not what scum should do Kreag has been weird all game and I don't think we should treat him as standard.

There's atleast one scum on mohabs wagon. The candidates are kreag,Luca and billy. Kreags really starting to tick all the scum boxes on reflecting on how events played out.

VOTE: Kreag

Mod Edit: Fixed broken quote tags

I've wanted to do that for agesssssssssss.

[Garmr]

VOTE COUNT 1.7

Mohab500 (1) - Billy Pilgrim
Skellen (0) -
Luca Blight (2) -

Garmr

, Emperor FlippyNips
Garmr (0) -
Emperor FlippyNips (0) -
profii (0) -
NorwegianboyEE (1) - Kraeg

L-1

Kraeg (4) -

NorwegianboyEE, Mohab500,

Skellen, profii
Billy Pilgrim (1) -

Not Voting: Luca Blight

ACTIVITY NOTES:
Luca Blight is V/LA through Monday, Sept 9
Skellen has been prodded.

With 9 alive, it takes 5 votes to lynch.

Day 1 deadline is Friday, September 13th at 10:00 am PDT which is in

(expired on 2019-09-13 10:00:00)

VOTE COUNT 1.8

Mohab500

(1) - Billy Pilgrim
Skellen (0) -
Luca Blight (0) -
Garmr (0) -
Emperor FlippyNips (0) -
profii (0) -

NorwegianboyEE

(1) - Kraeg[/color]

L-1

Kraeg (4) -

NorwegianboyEE, Mohab500

, Skellen,

Garmr

Billy Pilgrim (0) -

Not Voting: Luca Blight, Emperor FlippyNips, profii

VOTE COUNT 1.13

L-1

Mohab500

(4) - Billy Pilgrim, Kraeg, Luca Blight,

Garmr

Skellen (0) -
Luca Blight (0) -
Garmr (0) -
Emperor FlippyNips (0) -
profii (0) -
NorwegianboyEE (0) -
Kraeg (2) -

Mohab5

NorwegianboyEE

Billy Pilgrim (0) - 00,

Not Voting: Emperor FlippyNips, Skellen, profii

ACTIVITY NOTES:
All is good!

With 9 alive, it takes 5 votes to lynch.

Day 1 deadline is Friday, September 13th at 10:00 am PDT which is in

(expired on 2019-09-13 10:00:00)

Hmm the first two are interesting. Me and profii are in the same position on two different vote counts but the situation is different.

Profii jumps off because of the roleclaim while I Jump on. I think skellen is town so from my pov the entire wagon on kreag is town. So profii should either be really suspicious of skellen or kreag since he seems to town read me. Becuase if kreag is town at the point Profii was on multiple people could of hammered and easily of used the excuse but Kreag roleclaim was scummy. Also while kreag himself acted like both roles could coexist so did Billy. While not what scum should do Kreag has been weird all game and I don't think we should treat him as standard.

There's atleast one scum on mohabs wagon. The candidates are kreag, Luca and billy. Kreags really starting to tick all the scum boxes on reflecting on how events played out.

VOTE: Kreag

Why are you so confident there's one scum on Mohab's wagon?

Mod Edit: Fixed broken quote tags

You are saying both wagons are are all town and the entire scum teams is between swollen emperor numpty and profii.?

You just named a three person potential scum pool.

Why are you so confident that that's not a possibility? I'm not saying anything at this point. In my mind, Profii pinged me hard at the end of D1 when he cased me on a misrep. Now, I don't know if that was a mistake or genuine, but at the moment, it felt off. So I don't know for sure that scum was on that Mohab wagon, and that self-hammer makes that conclusion harder.

At the end of D1, you were my top town read because if you wanted to push me for a mis-lynch earlier you could have. And when I flipped town, everyone would have bought the case and they'd have looked at the folks that hopped on later. So the fact that you backed off and reapproached either means that you decided that pocketing me was better than mis-lynching me, in which case good move, because I'll probably need a guilty on you to flip, or you're town. I'm really hoping I'm right about town.

So why are you so confident the scum team isn't in your pool?

I said at least one scum not every scum.

We could rule out profii and skellen as a scum team because of profii early game intereaction.

Skellen and emperor could because of their friendly banter and they aren't working each other out and this is the only possible scum team I can see skellen being in. But Skellen by herself has been pretty town when looked by himself.

I didn't really have a reason why emperor and profii are scum togther nor one to disagree. Well that's before the mason claims.

Now with Luca being confirmed town with profii the scum team combinations look like this to me.


Emperor*Skellen
Emperor*Kreag
Emperor*Billy
Kreag* Billy


Those are the viable scum teams in my head right now.

[Skellen]

oh that's why you believed in Lucas case on me day 1 despite it being shit. I can buy that.

Who is next in line with the massclaim?