Mini Normal 2095 - Game Over!

Tchill13 · Post Post #3100 (ISO) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 12:47 pm

Wifom is all Luca can scream.

There's no scum motivational plays he can point out that genuinely benefit a scum! Tchill opposed to the opposite outcome.

Luca Blight · Post Post #3101 (ISO) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 12:50 pm

In post 3099, Tchill13 wrote:Lol. Explain why I don't claim tracker at mass given that icon would be the reason I make it to lylo. I'd have to fake one night action.

You literally said earlier that if you were scum you would claim VT during mass-claim and then claim something else during LYLO.

You have made it up as you’ve gone along, basically.

Luca Blight · Post Post #3102 (ISO) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 12:54 pm

And you wanted to be absolutely sure no-one else was a PR before claiming Tracker, which is why you kept saying if anyone was holding their true role back that they should reveal it.

Tchill13 · Post Post #3103 (ISO) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 1:01 pm

Yeah had nothing to do with the fact that I was still sus of icon and if I knew 2 or 3 others claimed it'd be too many.

Scum! Tchill never "makes it up as he goes along" sorry buddy. By PG 15 ik who I want in lylo.

If you're going to argue I missed the icon claim, saw the Ali soft and that's why I killed Ali instead of dragging Ali to lylo.... Good luck with that.

You've came to the conclusion that I ultimately missed the icon claim as scum and scum didn't talk about. So there's no reason for me to have missed icon but seen Ali.

Based on d1 Ali and Billy def both make it to lylo. I kill klick D2 opposed to icon. THAT'S where my version of wifom comes in.

Tchill13 · Post Post #3104 (ISO) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 1:02 pm

Klick has singlehandedly been the best town player. It's not close. I use that to justify leaving icon alive.

Tchill13 · Post Post #3105 (ISO) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 1:03 pm

In post 3101, Luca Blight wrote:
In post 3099, Tchill13 wrote:Lol. Explain why I don't claim tracker at mass given that icon would be the reason I make it to lylo. I'd have to fake one night action.
You literally said earlier that if you were scum you would claim VT during mass-claim and then claim something else during LYLO.

You have made it up as you’ve gone along, basically.

Still screaming wifom.

Tchill13 · Post Post #3106 (ISO) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 1:12 pm

If I was making it up as I go along why push klick who sr'd luca/luv before someone claims the letter?

That's a perfect "wini it all" scenario for me but you act like I'd throw that away for "more options"... There would be no better option. That would literally be the best option I'd be willing to risk shutting the door on??? Especially if you're pushing me/gobble.

Your case for me/gobble isn't even that substantial if you don't leave a vote on gobble in lylo.

You have no idea when luv will post. I voted him. Have a guilty on him. What you did is all you could do in terms of defending luv.

The only case for gobble/tchill is the end of D2 where I flip flopped, literally said I'll lynch anyone, then ended up choosing someone who had me conf town opposed to trying to lynch someone else or bussing my partner.

If my partner flips scum it's makes my claim more believable in the since that only 2 PR's would have been in the game. There's a whole lot of reason to bus there.

Luca Blight · Post Post #3107 (ISO) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 4:52 pm

Your last sentence raises another good point; if you were Tracker, why weren't you more suspicious after Gobble came in claiming N3 BG? Others in the game, such as Icon and Klick, TR Gobble because there was only one other claimed PR, but you would have known this not to be the case.

And please stop saying that I'm screaming WIFOM when literally everything you've said today has been WIFOM. Stop saying that Scum!Tchill would do this or wouldn't do that - it's worthless, as I said before. Your meta is almost as outdated as mine, and you've shown already in this game that you are able to manipulate it.

Tchill13 · Post Post #3108 (ISO) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 5:06 pm

Oh please. N3 BG mixed with an even night tracker (both have 1 action and 1 action alone) makes sense. The invest had multiple uses. That's why I was more sus of the invest.

I'll give you this. It technically is wifom. That said nothing I've done for wifom is worth risking the great position I'd have been in had I not done every single one of these negative actions towards scum! Tchill.

Instead of answering me you're nitpick branches of my arguments to go down.

You refuse to engage because you just say it's wifom and pointless when in reality you know I have a point.

I really don't understand why you're engaging with me anymore unless you know I'll respond and you're just trying to make the thread unreadable.

Please stop posting if you're not talking to klick or gobble.

Tchill13 · Post Post #3109 (ISO) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 5:11 pm

If you want to case then case. I asked you to case gobble/luv and you refused. I had to do that. I asked you several things and you scream wifom because you don't have a legitimate answer as to why scum! Tchill does these things.

Scum! Tchill would have been in great position up until the datisi lynch. Then I claimed tracker in a questionable manner. Then I pushed klick before anyone claimed the letter. Then I made the progression of klick/luv to Luca/luv to gobble/luv. I cleared klick. I cased gobble/luv and why that can't be possible.

I'm now back to luca/luv.

The datisi lynch/Ali kill proves I haven't had a "plan".

The claim then immediate push of klick in lylo... Imo proves I'm town. Of course ik it's not that easy to see from klick's pov.

Take your time klick.

Luca Blight · Post Post #3110 (ISO) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 5:13 pm

You really are a hypocrite. You accuse me of WIFOM while spewing WIFOM in every post you make. You accuse me of ignoring parts of your arguments when you've done the exact same to me. You accuse me of making the thread unreadable when there is no-one alive in this game who is more guilty of this than you, and I have before requested that you stop doing this.

I'm deliberately engaging with you as little as I can. I'm answering only the poinst that I feel need raising, because usually for every post I make you make four of your own in reply.

Luca Blight · Post Post #3111 (ISO) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 5:18 pm

The Datisi lynch doesn't prove you don't have a plan - you jumped on her wagon like a shot after Icon switched from Gobble, your partner. You then tried to set up Klick as a result of the Datisi green flip - hence your push on Klick today.

You say you claimed in a questionable manner which makes you town, but why the fuck would you claim that way as Town? It's done nothing but cause more WIFOM. Your claim holds no water at all.

Tchill13 · Post Post #3112 (ISO) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 5:21 pm

Please stop posting.

Luca Blight · Post Post #3113 (ISO) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 5:24 pm

Not to mention your reasons for wanting to lynch Datisi were proven to be fake. You wanted her lynched for her content, without even knowing she had attacked Klick, meaning you hadn't even been reading her content. When Icon asked you for specifics you couldn't give any.

Btw, when I'm asking you questions in my posts, they are rhetorical; there to emphasize my point. It doesn't mean I'm engaging you or want an answer from you.

Tchill13 · Post Post #3114 (ISO) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 5:26 pm

Actually.... Case gobble as scum independent of me.

Luca Blight · Post Post #3115 (ISO) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 5:27 pm

I've already done so.

There is nothing about Gobble's slot that makes me feel like he might be town, and I've felt that way since early D2.

Tchill13 · Post Post #3116 (ISO) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 5:29 pm

So you're confident town only had one PR this game huh?

Luca Blight · Post Post #3117 (ISO) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 5:30 pm

Supremely confident.

It's a strong PR, and in a 9p game 1 strong Town pr v two Mafia goons is easily possible.

Luca Blight · Post Post #3118 (ISO) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 5:30 pm

We already know scum don't have a RB as well, which lends itself to the idea of two mafia goons.

Tchill13 · Post Post #3119 (ISO) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 5:32 pm

OK. When did we start playing 9 player minis opposed to 13? I'm about to check and see how many times there's been 1 PR in the 9 player setting.

Luca Blight · Post Post #3120 (ISO) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 5:35 pm

I've only just returned to the site myself, but looking at the newbie setups which are also 9p, it's very possible to have 1 Town PR.

I wish I had pointed this out to Icon Yesterday and maybe we could have lynched Gobble then, but it hadn't crossed my mind until D3.

Tchill13 · Post Post #3121 (ISO) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 5:36 pm

OK I'll check a plethora of newbie games too I guess then. See how many times 1 PR games pop up. Or would you like me to leave that out?

Luca Blight · Post Post #3122 (ISO) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 5:39 pm

You don't have to look very hard, here's one that finished recently:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=80540

Two Mafia goons and one town cop. Similar to this setup, I suspect.

Tchill13 · Post Post #3123 (ISO) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 5:46 pm

Looks like we're including newbie games. Good to know.

Tchill13 · Post Post #3124 (ISO) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 6:30 pm

i went all the way back to 1874 (a few games were missing) in the mini normal que. Date: Jan 25, 2017

There have been five 9 player minis (I thought the site changed 9 to be the norm instead of 13 recently, apparently not) idk how to link the games but you can go find them if you like to fact check.

2050: Mod never posted the PR's.

2086: 2 mafia goons/ 1 town PR informed

2081: 1 mafia goon, 1 mafia informed goon/ 2 town PRs 1 town enabler

2044: 2 mafia PR's/ 2 Town PR's

2042: 1 mafia 1 shot PR, 1 mafia goon/ 1 town 1 shot PR, 1 informed