Mini Normal 2095 - Game Over!

Tchill13 · Post Post #3125 (ISO) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 6:33 pm

while there has never been 1 town PR in a game alone, there has never been 3 town PR's either.

that said there has been a 2 mafia goon game (the weakest mafia can be) and while town only had 1 PR apparently someone felt the need to add an informed townie into the game.

Tchill13 · Post Post #3126 (ISO) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 6:37 pm

in the newbie que it is specifically setup that 2 out of 9 possible game designs have 1 town PR alone.

Tchill13 · Post Post #3127 (ISO) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 6:39 pm

In post 3124, Tchill13 wrote:i went all the way back to 1874 (a few games were missing) in the mini normal que. Date: Jan 25, 2017

There have been five 9 player minis (I thought the site changed 9 to be the norm instead of 13 recently, apparently not) idk how to link the games but you can go find them if you like to fact check.

2050: Mod never posted the PR's.

2086: 2 mafia goons/ 1 town PR informed

2081: 1 mafia goon, 1 mafia informed goon/ 2 town PRs 1 town enabler

2044: 2 mafia PR's/ 2 Town PR's

2042: 1 mafia 1 shot PR, 1 mafia goon/ 1 town 1 shot PR, 1 informed

2086: 2 goons/ 1 town PR and 1 town informed. sorry.

Tchill13 · Post Post #3128 (ISO) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 6:44 pm

well... I cleared gobble/uzi as the scum team. I looked into the mini and newbie ques for 9 player setups...

and luca linked 1 game that fit his narrative without explaining the mandated newbie setup that is literally the 3rd post lol.

luca has done little to game solve in lylo. LUV makes Luca look like a workhorse though. Before anyone mentions gobble... Gobble declared VLA. Luv did not.

so apparently even though scum voted LUV... he still just cant find the motivation to play, or vote scum at all for that matter.

I think it's insane for someone to say irl maybe why LUV isn't playing. Dude never posted VLA. This game has been going on for weeks and this has been his trend.

Tchill13 · Post Post #3129 (ISO) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 6:46 pm

I specifically wnet to the "game Over" section in the mini's btw. Which is why a handful were missing I suppose.

Luca Blight · Post Post #3130 (ISO) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 6:59 pm

You cleared Gobble/Uzi as a scum team? I was the one who never even considered it due to a) The fact Uzi showed more intent to lynch the Gobble slot than you've ever done and b) the fact I townread the Uzi slot.

I've done nothing to solve this game in LYLO? I had the game solved even before LYLO.

Uzi is clearly not able to be active (hence people thought he had flaked on his own game) so this isn't alignment-indicative.

I brought up the fact that having Town 1 PR is possible, which you were implying wasn't the case. Yes Newbie games have to be based on a particular setup, but they are still 9p games and therefore can be directly compared in terms of setup. For example, as you pointed out there have been no 9p normal games with 3 Town PR's, which mirrors the Newbie setups.

Tchill13 · Post Post #3131 (ISO) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 7:24 pm

I still think it's not the case that 1 sole pr is possible.

Given that 2 mafia goons was a confirmed 9p game and town had more power than just 1 town pr. It's a fact.

Tchill13 · Post Post #3132 (ISO) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 7:25 pm

If you want to act like mods treat balancing newbie games and balancing normal games the same...

You go get some rest. Ik you're tired. You solved the game d2 and I've gotta be tiresome to deal with.

Tchill13 · Post Post #3133 (ISO) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 7:30 pm

Luca you should be OK with luv voting me seeing that you believe luv and klick are town.

Can you call on luv to vote me also? Effectively clearing gobble/luv.

Luca Blight · Post Post #3134 (ISO) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 7:35 pm

One game where there were two mafia goons and two weaker town PR's

does not

make it a fact at all that there can't be one Town PR in this game.

The mod would likely treat it similarly given they are both 9p games and can both contain similar roles.

And what about the apparent fact that Town cannot have 3 PR's in a 9p game? Especially when one is as strong as a Town loyal Mailman and one is another investigative in an even night Tracker?

Also given Mafia don't have RB, which would make sense when dealing with two investigatives and one protective?

I think, when weighing everything up, it's far more likely to have one PR than three in this game, especially when the two non-confirmed PR claims are both sketchy as fuck with nothing to back them up, and coming from players who are very likely to be a scumteam.

Luca Blight · Post Post #3135 (ISO) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 7:38 pm

In post 3133, Tchill13 wrote:Luca you should be OK with luv voting me seeing that you believe luv and klick are town.

Can you call on luv to vote me also? Effectively clearing gobble/luv.

I would be fine with him voting you, but It's up to him how he votes.

Tchill13 · Post Post #3136 (ISO) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 7:39 pm

i dont think a n3 PR is too strong given it may not even be used. Realistically you could treat this game as a 2 PR game. Especially when one that will definitely be used is a 1 night only PR.

did you miss where the newbie setups were mandated? the 3rd post. Why not mention that?

Tchill13 · Post Post #3137 (ISO) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 7:40 pm

In post 3135, Luca Blight wrote:
In post 3133, Tchill13 wrote:Luca you should be OK with luv voting me seeing that you believe luv and klick are town.

Can you call on luv to vote me also? Effectively clearing gobble/luv.
I would be fine with him voting you, but It's up to him how he votes.

why wouldnt he vote conf scum? its odd that he didnt vote me immediately isnt it?

Tchill13 · Post Post #3138 (ISO) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 7:52 pm

And once again... Bus my idiot of a scum mate to keep datisi in the game and get me some cred. It'd make sense for me to lynch datisi for no reason if she thought I was scum.

You repeatedly keep pointing out I lynched datisi for no reason, someone who had me conf town lol. If I hate my partner I just bus there my guy.

Luca Blight · Post Post #3139 (ISO) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 7:59 pm

I never said you hated your partner, stop putting words in my mouth.

And stop with the repetitive WIFOM. The fact is you didn't bus your partner. You did vote him, but were off that wagon as quick as a flash when the chance presented itself.

You even said yourself earlier that you hate bussing. You can't seem to keep up with your own meta.

Tchill13 · Post Post #3140 (ISO) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 8:07 pm

In post 3136, Tchill13 wrote:i dont think a n3 PR is too strong given it may not even be used. Realistically you could treat this game as a 2 PR game. Especially when one that will definitely be used is a 1 night only PR.

did you miss where the newbie setups were mandated? the 3rd post. Why not mention that?

In post 3137, Tchill13 wrote:
In post 3135, Luca Blight wrote:
In post 3133, Tchill13 wrote:Luca you should be OK with luv voting me seeing that you believe luv and klick are town.

Can you call on luv to vote me also? Effectively clearing gobble/luv.
I would be fine with him voting you, but It's up to him how he votes.
why wouldnt he vote conf scum? its odd that he didnt vote me immediately isnt it?

Luca Blight · Post Post #3141 (ISO) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 8:13 pm

So now you want me to engage with you?

Why should I mention that Newbie setups are mandated when this is common knowledge?

It doesn't matter if Uzi votes you or not right now; the only vote that matters is Klick's.

Tchill13 · Post Post #3142 (ISO) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 8:23 pm

Aight Imma head out. I try to engage and you diss.

"it's bullshit if x happens"

"it's bullshit if y happens"

gobbledygook · Post Post #3143 (ISO) » Wed Sep 18, 2019 1:27 am

In post 3134, Luca Blight wrote:One game where there were two mafia goons and two weaker town PR's
does not
make it a fact at all that there can't be one Town PR in this game.

The mod would likely treat it similarly given they are both 9p games and can both contain similar roles.

And what about the apparent fact that Town cannot have 3 PR's in a 9p game? Especially when one is as strong as a Town loyal Mailman and one is another investigative in an even night Tracker?

Also given Mafia don't have RB, which would make sense when dealing with two investigatives and one protective?

I think, when weighing everything up, it's far more likely to have one PR than three in this game, especially when the two non-confirmed PR claims are both sketchy as fuck with nothing to back them up, and coming from players who are very likely to be a scumteam.

I feel like you’re making a lot of assumptions about the setup in this post.

Klick · Post Post #3144 (ISO) » Wed Sep 18, 2019 2:06 am

Elaborate?

gobbledygook · Post Post #3145 (ISO) » Wed Sep 18, 2019 2:31 am

I think it is wrong to assume that a micro cannot have 3 power roles. Normally, that is the balance. I think it is also wrong to assume the scum team doesnt have a roleblocker because that seems to be the de facto scum power role these days.

Klick · Post Post #3146 (ISO) » Wed Sep 18, 2019 2:42 am

Can you point to a Normally-balanced Micro with three PRs?

There can't be a Mafia Roleblocker because both Icon and Tchill successfully did their actions last night.

gobbledygook · Post Post #3147 (ISO) » Wed Sep 18, 2019 2:44 am

There’s been a few but I’ll look them up later this evening

gobbledygook · Post Post #3148 (ISO) » Wed Sep 18, 2019 2:45 am

Probably around 7pm est

Luca Blight · Post Post #3149 (ISO) » Wed Sep 18, 2019 3:36 am

In post 3145, gobbledygook wrote:I think it is wrong to assume that a micro cannot have 3 power roles. Normally, that is the balance. I think it is also wrong to assume the scum team doesnt have a roleblocker because that seems to be the de facto scum power role these days.

My point was that it’s possible for Town to have only one PR. I’m not assuming Town couldn’t possibly have three, but objectively speaking it seems less likely than having one this game considering there is no scum RB and the only confirmed Pr is a very strong one. Add to that the nature of the two non-confirmed claims and I’d say it weighs very heavily on Icon being the only Town PR this game.