tris's Mini Normal Review, August 2019

[implosion]

I'm going to try modding my own set up now!

13 players

Mafia Neighborizer
2x Goons

Town Neapolitan
2x Masons
Backup Mason
Backup Neighborizer
5x VTs

OP:

Mini Normal 2***

Reviewed by [Reviewers' Names]

Current Deadline:

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Spoiler: Alive

Spoiler: Dead

Spoiler: Events

Rules:

Rules

(Adapted from northsidegal)

General

-Adhere to all site rules.
-Always play to win.
-Remember that this is a game - heated discussion is allowed, but personal attacks are not.
-Pretending to break the rules will be treated similarly as actually breaking the rules.
-Do not quote any out of game communication regarding this game - this includes your role PM and any other PMs I may send you.
-If you need to get my attention, please include "

@mod

" in your post or PM me.
-

This

(#804000) is my color. You can use it, if you want.
-Do not use encryption, hidden text or excessively small text in your posts.
-Do not use any form of provable randomness. This includes dice tags, screenshots of random.org, etc. Saying you flipped a coin is okay, providing some sort of proof that you did isn’t.
-Each day phase will last for 12 days, with night phases lasting 48 hours.
-Do not post in the game thread or any private topics following your death, with the exception of the dead thread.
-If you have the ability to edit your posts, do not do so.
-My decisions are final. If I feel you are violating any of the rules, I will take the appropriate action.
-As a general principle, whenever moderator action is required I will attempt to make the decision that has the least impact on the natural flow of gameplay. For example, force replacing instead of modkilling whenever possible.
-Have fun!

Voting

-All votes and unvotes must be in

bold

or in VOTE: vote tags, with vote tags being preferable.
-Votes in spoilers will not be counted.
-Abbreviations and nicknames are acceptable, as long as I can understand them.
-Lynches will occur when a majority (>50%) is reached. If no majority is reached before deadline, the day will end in a no lynch.
-Voting to end the day in a no-lynch requires only 50% of players, not >50%.
-Once a hammer has occurred, the game is in "twilight". Discussion may continue until I lock the thread but no further votes or unvotes will be counted.

Activity

-You are expected to make at least one game-relevant post every 48 hours. Players who go 48 hours without posting will be prodded.
-If you are prodded, you have 24 hours to post in-thread. If you do not respond within 24 hours, you will be replaced. Additionally, if I have to prod you 3 or more times, you will be replaced at my own discretion.
-Abuse of prod dodges will result in you being replaced at my own discretion.
-If you are going to be V/LA, please announce it in thread or PM me. If your V/LA will last 7 days or longer I may be forced to replace you.

Game Notes

-Night actions this game will follow Natural Action Resolution.
-If you do not send me an action for the night, I will assume that you are not taking one.
-All private threads will remain open during the day.
-At least one player has received the following role:

Hello, [playername]!

You are a

Vanilla Townie

.

This means you have no special abilities, but you can vote during the day.

You win if the Mafia are eliminated.

Role Pms:

Spoiler: Vanilla Townie

Hello, [playername]!

You are a

Vanilla Townie

.

This means you have no special abilities, but you can vote during the day.

You win if the Mafia are eliminated.

Spoiler: Neapolitan

Hello, [playername]!

You are a

Town Neapolitan

.

This means that each night, you may check if someone is a

Vanilla Townie

or not.

You win if the Mafia are eliminated.

Spoiler: Mason

Hello, [playername]!

You are a

Town Mason

with

[other mason]

.

This means you are both town and can talk to each other here.

You win if the Mafia are eliminated.

Spoiler: Backup Mason

Hello, [playername]!

You are a

Backup Mason

.

This means that if a Mason dies, you inherit their role.

You win if the Mafia are eliminated.

Spoiler: Backup Neighborizer

Hello, [playername]!

You are a

Backup Neighborizer

.

This means that if a Neighborizer dies, you inherit their role.

You win if the Mafia are eliminated.

Spoiler: Mafia Goon

Hello, [playername]!

You are a

Mafia Goon

.

You and your friends,

[name]

and

[name]

are the

Mafia

and can plot evil things here.
Each night, one of you may attempt to kill an innocent townsperson.

You win if you equal or outnumber the town or if nothing can stop that from happening.

Spoiler: Mafia Neighborizer

Hello, [playername]!

You are a

Mafia Neighborizer

.

You and your friends,

[name]

and

[name]

are the

Mafia

and can plot evil things here.
Each night, one of you may attempt to kill an innocent townsperson.
Additionally, you can choose someone to add to your Neighborhood each night. There, you and your neighbors can chat.

You win if you equal or outnumber the town or if nothing can stop that from happening.

Results PMs:
[Target] is a

Vanilla Townie

.

[Target] is not a

Vanilla Townie

.

You are now a Mason. Your partner is [other mason] who you may talk to here.

You are now a Neighborizer. Each night, you can choose someone to add to your Neighborhood. There, you and your neighbors can chat.

Your Neighborhood has been created. Come talk with your new neighbor.

You have been invited to [neighborizer]'s neighborhood.

[implosion]

Primary: northsidegal
Secondary: schadd_

[schadd_]

id claim that backup mason is generally as good as mason and that this is a bit strong for town

[northsidegal]

hi tris!


so yeah, backup mason is at least as good if not arguably better than a regular mason (given that they can't leave associative clues with the other masons before they know who they are).

i've heard it a lot and have often considered it true that three goons versus three masons plus a little bit more town power is balanced. here we have a lot more town power in the form of the neap, along with arguably a lot more power for scum from the scum neighborizer. i forget how long ago this was now, but it was shown before that scum win a large number of games where they have a neighborizer, so it's a lot more of a power role for them than it seems.

i think you'd need to buff scum or nerf town to get it closer to balanced.

[tris]

Hi! You two are the ones who designed each of the two pre-designed set-ups I've modded.

What if I give scum a 1-shot rolecop? Is that enough?

[northsidegal]

I know that I just said that you'd need to either buff scum or nerf town but i think given the potential for the number of innocents nerfing town is the way to go, specifically to do with the neapolitan.

What do you think of gating the neap to even night?

[tris]

I think I like that better than what I proposed.

[tris]

I just realized what your avatar is schadd_.

[schadd_]

oh excellent what is it ? i've been trying to figure it out for a very long time

[northsidegal]

tris, don't stare too long. bad things will happen - you'll start to use punctuation in increasingly wacky and humorous ways

[tris]

So, does

Mafia Neighborizer
2x Goons

Town Even-Night Neapolitan
2x Masons
Backup Mason
Town Backup Neighborizer
5x VTs

work?

[schadd_]

good with me!

[northsidegal]

me as well. small change i'd make to the mason role pm - say "this means you are confirmed town to each other..." instead of "this means you are both town..."

anyways, you're good to go once the role pms are updated

[tris]

Spoiler: Vanilla Townie

Hello, [playername]!

You are a

Vanilla Townie

.

This means you have no special abilities, but you can vote during the day.

You win if the Mafia are eliminated.

Spoiler: Even-Night Neapolitan

Hello, [playername]!

You are a

Town Even-Night Neapolitan

.

This means that on even numbered nights, you may check if someone is a

Vanilla Townie

or not.

You win if the Mafia are eliminated.

Spoiler: Mason

Hello, [playername]!

You are a

Town Mason

with

[other mason]

.

This means you are confirmed to be town to each other and can talk to each other here.

You win if the Mafia are eliminated.

Spoiler: Backup Mason

Hello, [playername]!

You are a

Backup Mason

.

This means that if a Mason dies, you inherit their role.

You win if the Mafia are eliminated.

Spoiler: Backup Neighborizer

Hello, [playername]!

You are a

Backup Neighborizer

.

This means that if a Neighborizer dies, you inherit their role.

You win if the Mafia are eliminated.

Spoiler: Mafia Goon

Hello, [playername]!

You are a

Mafia Goon

.

You and your friends,

[name]

and

[name]

are the

Mafia

and can plot evil things here.
Each night, one of you may attempt to kill an innocent townsperson.

You win if you equal or outnumber the town or if nothing can stop that from happening.

Spoiler: Mafia Neighborizer

Hello, [playername]!

You are a

Mafia Neighborizer

.

You and your friends,

[name]

and

[name]

are the

Mafia

and can plot evil things here.
Each night, one of you may attempt to kill an innocent townsperson.
Additionally, you can choose someone to add to your Neighborhood each night. There, you and your neighbors can chat.

You win if you equal or outnumber the town or if nothing can stop that from happening.

[tris]

I'll also change the PM the Backup Mason gets when they become a Mason.

You are now a Mason. [other mason] is also a Mason who you may talk to here. You are confirmed to be town to each other.

[northsidegal]

one more thing – you have a "your neighborhood has been created" pm, but i've always done it where a neighborizer has access to the neighborhood from the start of the game (i.e. it's created along with, say, the mafia pt) and other people are just added rather than it first being created when the first person is added. honestly, i'm not sure one way over the other is explicitly normal, so

@imploooo

really just something i want to figure out that i noticed rather than a "you need to change this" thing

[tris]

How would I handle Backup Neighborizer if I do it that way? Would that Neighborhood be created when they become a Neighbor?

[tris]

*become a Neighborizer

[northsidegal]

How would I handle Backup Neighborizer if I do it that way? Would that Neighborhood be created when they become a Neighbor?

that would be the way i would do it, it gets created when the backup inherits the role

[implosion]

hm yeah idk. I think the standard would be that a neighborizer doesn't have a PT until they neighborize someone.

[northsidegal]

Mind bringing it up in the standardization thread? I would but conflict of interest/potentially revealing stuff, etc etc

I think it should work the other way but obviously here's not the place to get into that

[northsidegal]

anyways with that dealt with,

/pass

[tris]

Alright, cool.

[implosion]

just an fyi: apparently this game is pretty likely to go into signups next!