Detective Penguin & City of Fogport [Game Over]

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Who killed Fish in your proposed universe JJD?

ANYONE could have. FL could have. Theoretically, chenn could have. Scum!Marquis could have. Kuribo PGO could have. I am more concerned about who is scum and ALIVE now. And I am shocked you don't see the Marquis lynch is the

optimal mechanical option

.

My other option is to lynch YOU, but you are uncaffeinated. That's risky if you turn to be just a stupid stubborn townie. If you wish to confess to being scum though, by all means.. be my guest.

@Dingle: what's the name of the character in your avi?

Binky Barnes

Let's just assume you are town here. Are you willing to be on my alignment? (Hint: That was rhetorical). If I flip scum you get to keep your avi. If I flip town though you change it to Binky Barnes

[Bingle]

ANYONE could have. FL could have. Theoretically, chenn could have. Scum!Marquis could have. Kuribo PGO could have. I am more concerned about who is scum and ALIVE now. And I am shocked you don't see the Marquis lynch is the optimal mechanical option.

Why hasn't town FL claimed the shot?

How did town chen kill Fish without becoming caffeinated. If he is caffeinated, who among the caffeinated people is lying. If you say Marquis, why did Kagami die?

If Kuribo, why did Marquis claim the shot when it looked like a hidden vig was responsible?

If scum marquis, why not shoot another town player? That would be taking his faction 2 kills farther away from wincon.

Talking mechanically optimal here, Marquis is literally the least optimal choice. Cleared by one lynch, where, comparatively chenn is cleared by 1.5 lynches. Disregarding all subjective reads, FL is probably the right lynch. (Unconfirmable, no remaining power, already caffeinated.) But subjective reads trump mechanics unless the game is solved or the subjective reads are weak.

[Flavor Leaf]

Marquis claimed 2 shot to claim it because he had to.

If there was a hidden Vig on Fish that’s much more likely it goes back to CPR doc JJD.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

You must be a lawyer, and a damn cunning one!!

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

^@Shingle

[Marquis]

Hi guess I'm still here

I'll catch up tomorrow been busy

[Marquis]

Reading this page I guess people are trying to lynch me? okaaaaaaay hello ?

to be explicitly clear I vigged fish and kagami. if you reread me around the FL vs Pelican time you can tell how fucking weirded out I was about that situation. and d2 after fish flipped scum to a nightkill and FL seemed to want to ride the towncred without being explicit about it, that was annoying as fuck and absolutely still my preferred lynch.

VOTE: Flavor Leaf

And since it's all out I'm a 2 shot compulsive vig. Aka we're the hood with forced power and caffeination early game with the power disappearing quickly as the game progresses. Which is the only thing that makes sense in conjunction with how our hood immunity mechanics work

How is lynching a vig who killed scum when nobody else could have the mechanically optimal option. what the hell

[Marquis]

If I vigged my scumpartner to bus n1 why the fuck wouldn't I claim it immediately day 2 being unkillable and unroleblockable

this makes no sense

FL or JJD has to be scum here.
Are either of them alts?

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

FL or JJD has to be scum here.
Are either of them alts?

Yes. I'm an alt of Flavor Leaf, and he's an alt of Judge Joseph Dredd.

VOTE: Bingle

[Bingle]

Great argument as to why Marquis can be scum without you, JJD. Very compelling. It's almost like this is the same as the last 10 times I explained why that's a terrible vote and you ignored it.

[Bingle]

Marquis claimed 2 shot to claim it because he had to.

If there was a hidden Vig on Fish that’s much more likely it goes back to CPR doc JJD.

Sure. If Marquis is scum, so is JJD. So we lynch JJD, and if he flips CPR doc we lynch Marquis. If he flips not CPR doc, Marquis is by necessity town imo.

[Bingle]

FL or JJD has to be scum here.

It's JJD. Please, vote him.

[Bingle]

VOTE: JJD

Whatever.

Either this flips scum, or it flips town meaning that Chennis can CPR-vig FL tonight. (I hope)

Pretty sure its either FL + bingle or PP + JJD.....

And the former is just more towny as a whole than the latter two by a decent margin. Even with all the scummy shit attached.

This was a good vote. Go back to it.

[Bingle]

But, I don't disagree with JJD being scum which is why I wanted to invest him last night, and why I'm suspicious that D1L was the nk when croag suggested him instead of JJD and didn't respond to me afterward.

In the name of sanity, penguin, please join my wagon.

[Bingle]

SCUM-leaning:
Bingle
Vecna
Judge Joseph Dredd
Marquis

Marquis can't be scum without JJD. If the scum team is me and Vecna, we've literally already won, the lynch today doesn't matter, and all of this pulling teeth is nonsense. So, vote the only person in your scumlist who can actually be partnered with anyone else in your scumlist por favor.

[Bingle]

Just kill Marquis. He’s obv scum

In any world where Marquis is scum, JJD is also scum.

YOU agree with me that JJD is scum.

Why fight me so hard on lynch order when fypov it shouldn't matter? In your eyes, JJD's lynch should be the nail in Marquis' coffin. We can end this day, lynch this scum, and I'll support you tomorrow.

[Bingle]

@Chenn: you're literally the only one here who HASN'T agreed JJD is scummy. You're also the only other one pushing Marquis and not JJD. Please respond to 3976 and/or towncase JJD.

[Vecna]

VOTE: JJD

[Vecna]

If it simply is JJD being scum here, I like, apologize for my paranoia.

Except I dont, because its FL's fault

[Flavor Leaf]

Nah, I’m obv town.

[Marquis]

I can't really see either of Vecna or bingle being scum, only both of them at once

but I think its a 3 man scumteam with the 3 or higher possible kills p night

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

@Vecna: You are AWFUL. Not just because you turned 360 degrees to come back exactly where you started, and not only because where you started/finished is plain wrong, but also because you bloody talked me out of voting myself to get rid of this nonsense, thus extending the day with no gain at all. Tell me what has changed from the moment you told me to unvote myself to this very moment?? Did we receive new info? Did you change your reads on just about anyone? The fact is you play in your own universe, form reads on D1 and stick to then until the very end. I bet if you had access to the mod PT and saw the roles and alignments yourself that you'd still come back here to vote me today because you know better than to trust the Mod!!!!

VOTE: JJD

If Vecna is scum, he deserves the win. He bloody played obtuse too perfect he deserves an Oscar. If not, well there you are.. he IS obtuse and his avatar certainly suits him perfectly.

[Vecna]

Dont pretend like you have this game solved if youre town or have been doing anything useful whatsoever JJD.

[Vecna]

I can't really see either of Vecna or bingle being scum, only both of them at once

but I think its a 3 man scumteam with the 3 or higher possible kills p night

Wait, so youre telling me you think its a 3person scumteam that has to rely on town to outright suck? Or that scum have vigs themselves? I dont get this post.

[Vecna]

UNVOTE: JJD

Actually fuck it, ill just sit on the sidelines and hammer whatever comes first.

Pretty annoying that this game has just been 3 people talking at the most crucial point.