Newbie 1951 (Day 4)

[teacher]

Apologies, sleep deprived and should have waited for flip. Well played, all, and a pleasure.

[emps]

haha yeah im good at this game and had no doubts about myself whatsoever and i wasnt dying inside for the past like minute or so

[popsofctown]

you seduced me with your read progression paranoias

[emps]

wooo i cant wait to see dead thread yell at me for being stupid

[skitter30]

Apologies, sleep deprived and should have waited for flip. Well played, all, and a pleasure.

enjoyed playing with you again!
you had me dead to rights, sorry for the mislynch <3

figured you being out of lylo gave me a bit more of a chance than with you there

[skitter30]

you seduced me with your read progression paranoias

i think i wrote in the scum pt something along the lines of ... 'i have absolutely no idea why she unvoted me'

[emps]

scum can you guys like kill me before lylo or something its too stressful pls and ty

[popsofctown]

Apologies, sleep deprived and should have waited for flip. Well played, all, and a pleasure.

Posting between game-end hammer and flip is like, the most minor of all infractions, you're good. I'm only thinly against thinking it should be considered outright socially acceptable.


It pales in comparison to Jingle modding a game and a dead player coming in and saying "what a crazy doctor claim" and Jingle insisting that was a type of bah post when I complained

[popsofctown]

(when nothing was hammered yet)

[emps]

wait what how is that a bah post

[popsofctown]

I kinda think that vote should have been a little bit easier for you given how many degrees skitter pivoted on your slot? But honestly, I haven't been to LyLo as many times as I should have given my join date, I used to be d1 mislynch bait. So I'm not sure if it's possible for town to go after one player, get locked into a different 1v1, and yet flip town

[popsofctown]

wait what how is that a bah post

ikr

[skitter30]

I kinda think that vote should have been a little bit easier for you given how many degrees skitter pivoted on your slot? But honestly, I haven't been to LyLo as many times as I should have given my join date, I used to be d1 mislynch bait. So I'm not sure if it's possible for town to go after one player, get locked into a different 1v1, and yet flip town

yeah i didn't do such a great job faking read progressions this game :/

your analysis of my farkran vote was spot-on btw

[popsofctown]

I don't know if it was actually particularly convincing to emps, I feel like maybe I don't speak his language

[popsofctown]

Did it, emps?

[skitter30]

oh i'm p sure it didn't, and i could tell, which is why i didn't bother answering it because i don't think any of it changed his opinion either way, which made your argument irrelevant if you couldn't communicate it to the person who was deciding

it was still v insightful

[popsofctown]

I laughed out loud

[skitter30]

oh and the scum pt: epic forgot it existed for like the first week of the game - i had to ask nexus to remind him about it

i knew we were in column c, which meant mason/mason; jk; cop. i was searching p hard for masons and didn't see any (good job guys)

so when he came back he was basically at l-1 already and that point i figured if we weren't in masons fake-claiming doc/tracker wasn't the worst idea

and then i had weekend vla, he claimed, the cc happened, and he got lynched before i got back

so that's what happened day1

[popsofctown]

teacher did it change your opinion about the 1v1

[popsofctown]

yeah that makes sense

[skitter30]

and that's why i was so wishy-washy around him day1
i prob would have bussed in other games in that scenario but i feel like it goes against the purpose of the newbie queue to bus your newbie partner without, like, communicating with them about it, so i didn't because he had gone awol

so i left just enough room that i could hop on later if needed (which menalque pointed out) but didn't go hardcore on the bus, which left me in an awkward place

also all 3 cases on me were p good imo

[popsofctown]

Yeah that seems like one of the genuine situations where you have to hurt your winrate as part of newbie queue I think. I respect you for playing it that way

[emps]

Did it, emps?

it was a wallpost so uh maybe? im honestly not sure myself lol i feel like i chose skitter mostly based off of gut because i was too lazy to reread lol

[popsofctown]

Lots of people are willing to wallpost as scum. It's not a reliable reason to vote a certain way just because a wall was produced, I think.

[popsofctown]

This is in one of my scumgames, pretty wally

Spoiler: Ankamius towncase

By first half do you mean first part? The way I'm reading the setup the nightkill occurs like 28% of the way through the game or something like that

I mean first half of deaths, I'm looking to town hunt in this setup

Ank makes a commitment to townhunting in the setup really early on. Townhunting is a strong way to win as town in this setup but a shaky way to try to win the setup as scum. Whichever famous dead guy said it: "you can't fool all the people all the time", and just one person has to post "I leave the dance" on your deepwolf slot for the game to collapse. Getting mislynches one at a time is still easier and safer for scum and she could have spent predance doing shade potshots that wouldn't be incongruent with her style.

1. less likely for me to be a consensus townread, which makes me far less comfortable with wanting to try to take any sort of lead in this game at any point
2. more likely for me to tilt out of the game or tilt others out of the game
3. with no fundamental staying power, I want to focus on setting town up to win without me so that my posturing is known to be town instead of having to risk getting paranoia lynched

Ankamius doesn't expect to endgame but wants to set the town up to win. There's obvious WIFOM here but she's been playing like someone who might not be here all game, all game, with virtually no LAMIST posting and lots of long term planning.

I'm really not feeling a that we're seeing a town okapoka atm

This is like page 25 or something, I don't know the math, but Ankamius correctly shaded okapoka for virtually no cred. It's town indicative to organically generate an accurate scumread and it makes little sense to tax that for buscred WIFOM the way that the game actually progressed.

I don't want to pair with Creature
I don't want to pair with Shiro
I don't want to pair with Alisae

I can be convinced on the rest

Based on what I think I know about the personalities in this playerlist I don't think scum!ank could pretend to want to dance with Creature or Shiro but I think she could dance with Ali. Maybe. Mostly both scum!Ank and town!ank pair with MariaR with high probability.

btw

I'm pretty sure I've figured out scum's strategy this game

Cool, what is it

I'll discuss it in my neighborhood

because it almost entirely precludes mariar being scum if it's true

total and complete abandonment of the LAMIST value of game related posting.

I don't really put 2591 onto anyone here

just making a point that BoP is a thing and people should probably be using it more

This is after Ank has paired MariaR so it's not a particularly survivalistic topic to bring up if scum!Ank knows MariaR's readslist is pretty bad. If MariaR is projected to make 2 hits that maybe inverts, I suppose.

I think Gamma is kinda obvtown and oka is more likely town than not

Ank didn't join the Oka scumwagon even though the town probably would have awarded her more cred than they did for her predance potshots. In reality her informal behavior towards him did far more to kill him though.

Do not end the day please

Would have been pretty easy to not post this. A spontaneous leave would have probably been pretty catastrophic informationally.

I feel like this game would already be a town stomp if the pairings weren't the way they are

This was really resonant and should have been resonant for every other townie reading it the way the pairings have turned out. Whereas it is not natural for the scumteam to post, I'm not positive how far ahead or behind the scumteam are but I suspect they are rather pleased with who is dancing with whom.

Kagami + SXTLHGaiden is almost always TvT
MariaR + me is almost always TvT
unwnd + popsofctown is almost always TvT

Golden Robster + Creature is very likely TvT, pending a check on GR that I'll do later
Firebringer +Shiro is probably TvT (Firebringer is hilariously obvtown and Shiro is still comfortably in his townrange), not really interested in sorting that until I have to

Deasvail + Cephrir <--- DeasVail is likely scum, Cephrir rarely is
Dunnstral + Bitmap <--- Bitmap is likely scum, Dunnstral rarely is

Ankamius follows through on her plan to win the game through townblocks. She is not executing a gameplan based on casing people that would give her more power to lynch slots of her choice, instead she is trying to setup the town to mix their thoughts with her input and come up with a townblock wincondition. Regardless of the accuracy (I feel a little more like Shiro knew what she needed to post for us to stop scumreading her dance1 and Ank has shifted even more in this direction today) the methodology is very town indicative to me.

and yes bitmap's last several posts were openwolfing

Not going to post every single one of these, but Ankamius has tried to kill Bitmap because she actually believes it will flip red. Sometimes I don't think I can say that about every member of the Bitmap wagon.

Btw scum!me most likely pairs with MariaR because I think she'd be one of the biggest threats to my team in this plist and it would help me control the game if I could take her out when I feel like it would help my team win

Or even better, use her hunting in the PT to pocket the rest of the game and powerwolf the game where I want it to be

I could see MariaR picking me as a partner for a similar reason since I tend to be a major wildcard as town

I don't even know if Ankamius should post this as town but she should definitely replace this with an FFXIV shitpost as scum.

Shiro having low activity is not AI

This is very true about Shiro and Ank could have just not posted it to retain more ability to pivot stances on Shiro as her activity varies throughout the game.

I maintain that Oka was trying to discredit me

The way Oka interacted with Ank dance 1 seems to clear her. It created so much interaction opportunities for Ank to say something awkward, or even if Oka was a big believer in his teammate, a chance for Oka himself to say the wrong thing. Nothing offkey actually came out of it.

Then purge all but fbshiro

This is a bit of a return to a previous topic, but Ankamius is focusing on the townhunt wincondition, and again her favorite pairing is one that does not include herself. This is town indicative. I strongly disagree on the pairing she's picking though.

I have MariaR a bit townier than null. So if I'm lynched, it won't be up to me but I heavily lean towards, make MariaR/Ankamius last pair standing