Newbie 1951 (Day 4)

[skitter30]

I wallpost as either alignment, depends on mood

[popsofctown]

nexus come adorn us with leafy crownlets

[Nexus]

Votecount 4.4:

skitter30 (2-LYNCHED) -

popsofctown, emps

popsofctown (1) -

skitter30

Not voting (0) -

With 3 alive it takes 2 to lynch. Deadline is at 7pm BST on Friday 20th September 2019 (expired on 2019-09-20 19:00:00)

skitter30 has been lynched. Flip incoming.

[Nexus]

skitter30 - Mafia Goon - Lynched Day 4

Congratulations to popsofctown - Vanilla Townie, emps - Vanilla Townie, and the dead Town players. You win.

Mafia QT
Mason QT
Dead QT

[RadiantCowbells]

ggwp

[popsofctown]

ohmigod the mafia PT makes me so sad because epic creeper says he doesn't like mafia but he seems to demonstrate like a really good starting understanding of the game

[popsofctown]

RC are there any mafia games that are played that you don't at least skim lol

[RadiantCowbells]

i barely read any games anymore

i'm only following this cuz i'm following the newd3 stats

currently 4/0 for town :v

[popsofctown]

The rest of the scum PT was fun.

I think I have a standing disagreement with you on how far ignoring you own opinions and proxying opinions of others can benefit you, skitter, I feel like it helped me win this game and not mislynch emps. In a game with RC I gave his opinion on a slot pretty heavy weight, especially after he flipped town, and it served me well there too. It's not a fun skill to hone but I think it can be useful, especially when you get a feel for how much grounding you have beneath your own reads and whether that's weak enough grounding to consider proxying

[popsofctown]

ok but like this one shouldn't count it was masons the EV is straight scumsided

I am just a bomb replacement

Skitter honored her duties as an SE instead of tryharding

[popsofctown]

Self hammering on Town is never acceptable.

I like this dead PT post

[popsofctown]

Farkran hasn't joined another game yet He was really cool

[Menalque]

Yes, I shouldn’t have self-voted, I was tilted as hell at the time

On the other hand, I was getting mislynched for inviting cum... in order to vote scum. So forgive me if I was a little frustrated for being mislynched for getting a D1 solve.

[Menalque]

He says later in the dead PT that he only likes to play one game at a time, I think. So I think as he was still following along with this one he may join a second one now

[popsofctown]

I sure hope so! I think he's an exciting player.

Playing one game at a time is a very respectable choice, it's how I started out, and I quite possibly should go back to it.


I share Farkran's enjoyment for hunting without using arguments based on meta - the problem is that on this site, there's clear consensus that enough of us are word nerds with distinct ways of writing we'd all figure eachother out, so annonymous mafia wouldn't stay anonymous very often. I like the idea of anonymous mafia better to the extent that it's achievable though.

[Menalque]

Yes, I shouldn’t have self-voted, I was tilted as hell at the time

On the other hand, I was getting mislynched for inviting cum... in order to vote scum. So forgive me if I was a little frustrated for being mislynched for getting a D1 solve.

Lmao I just saw the phone autocorrect on this one

unvoting scum*

[Menalque]

As much as I like sushi I would also have enjoyed playing a full game with you pops. Sorry @sushi, idk for sure but i know I really pushed you to join this game and then I got over emotional when I thought teacher was scum, so if that’s part of why you repped out I apologise to you too

[popsofctown]

I anticipate you will likely get to play a full game with me at some point if you stick around site.

[popsofctown]

I kind of possibly join fewer newbies than I otherwise would to shirk the exact sense of saintly responsibility skitter demonstrated this game >_<

[Farkran]

Oh my god pops i love you!

I just woke up and this had to be my first comment after game end, now let me read everything and catch up with answers

[Farkran]

could be, could be

farkran is not a pr i'm *p* sure. *def* not a mason

i'm not really getting like ~mason vibes~ running through the thread, but i could be wrong

Lollable moments

Also i still respect you a lot skitter, you didn't play bad. You were put in a very hard place as scum in this game, yet you went up to lylo and had some (not many, to be honest, but also non-zero) chances to win. This is a significant achievement in itself. I love pops though.

(i think i'm going to spam a bit due to excitement, sorry everyone)

[Menalque]

I anticipate you will likely get to play a full game with me at some point if you stick around site.

I plan to.

Also

@all

this is the second game to finish in 24 hrs where I picked up scum on D1 and got mislynched anyway. Ofc it’s great that in this game we won, but in the other it lost us the game in lylo.

So basically I feel like my reads are pretty okay, but I currently suck at getting people to see how I got them/why they should be believed. Also with getting others to see that I’m town.

I’d welcome any suggestions on how to get better at those two things because I honestly thought I was being transparently towny this game (i don’t think scum!me is capable of faking emotion like that yet) but I was still the consensus SR on D2.

[Menalque]

Also @skitt r u proud of me for getting it right that you were scum? Was interesting to see that the push on me was bc you wanted me to claim as potential PR

[Farkran]

Aw, creeper, i'm sad you didn't enjoy this.

I come from the same world as you do, you know? I used to play a lot of chat mafia back in the days, before i switched to forums because chat is just too frenetic, to the point it's almost always an rvs stage where you just get lucky about your picks OR a perpetual follow-the-PR because everyone gets bored to play VT.

I sincerely hope you reconsider, if you have the time and resources to try again. It's definitely more intense, but it also feel so much more rewarding when you get a grasp of how it works. Starting as scum without any experience is... not the best of introductions to fm games. You'd have a much better experience as a town PR for your first game, so that you don't ENTIRELY have to rely on analysis. I was a jester on my very first fm game, N1ked by a vigilante. I ranted.

[popsofctown]

I anticipate you will likely get to play a full game with me at some point if you stick around site.

I’d welcome any suggestions on how to get better at those two things because I honestly thought I was being transparently towny this game (i don’t think scum!me is capable of faking emotion like that yet) but I was still the consensus SR on D2.

I had a post typed up for you that I backspace out due to the post being unsolicited advice. But now that you have solicited advice, I will tell you something that has worked for me.


Mafia is really hard, and people are going to misread, so forcing a "terribad or scum" on every person who scumreads you is a trap. It doesn't matter if you think you've obvtowned. I will often find in a game where I rolled town but felt my play has been null, people sometimes townread me more. It's unpredictable. It's just very very difficult to view your own slot from any other player's point of view. So it's best to suspend disbelief. Play the game like everyone will view you mildly scummy, make really convincing arguments about your solves so that your solves are medium scummy and get lynched first. About a quarter of the time, everyone will think you're super scummy and you'll get lynched first. 2 quarters of the time your good solving will win you the game. 1 quarter of the time you'll get townlocked and have a higher win percentage from being an Innocent child, and most of the time it will be from different reasons than the ones for which you think you should be townread.

My first year of playing mafia, I spent a lot of time thinking about what I was doing and how I thought it ought to be perceived, and I'd get indignant if people didn't perceive it the way I expected. That had a snowball effect, because people will

scumread indignance

. Later in my career, I started caring a lot less. I would always look out for bad reasoning for scumreading my slot, that's a way to find scum. But if someone posts, "pops is scum, that has just been my gut read of her tone for the first 30 pages." and my role PM says Town Tracker, I just shrug it off as a "random" thing that happens. And that player is much more likely to say "I'm not sure pops is scum" on page 50 is what I've found.