Newbie 1951 (Day 4)

[popsofctown]

Hahaha Farkran.

Jesters are virtually nonexistent on mafiascum.

I hope you weren't looking forward to playing them in this format.

They're not popular around here.

[Farkran]

Wow i honestly didn't realize menalque had the correct solve in d1. Good job man, you get the Cassandra award.

[Farkran]

Hahaha Farkran.

Jesters are virtually nonexistent on mafiascum.

I hope you weren't looking forward to playing them in this format.

They're not popular around here.

They were used fairly frequently where i come from, i liked the role but not to the point i'd be looking forward to play it rather than anything else, really. What i kinda strongly want to play, sooner or later, is a cult game. I loved cult.

I also like to play scum but i'm not too good at it (inb4 "you're not good as town either").

[Menalque]

But farkran, you’re not good at town either

Also, you should keep an eye on a game korina is modding, it’s jusy filled but it’s possible someone may have forgotten it in which case it may need an early replacement and it’s heavily cult based

[popsofctown]

Cults are also unpopular here :X
And bus driver and paranoid gun owner. Bus Driver is still sometimes used though.

For me my favorite role is to be a vanilla townie like I was in this game, and just fight using my wits.

[popsofctown]

Yeah, Korina's cult game is probably the only cult game that will be around here for quite some time.

[Menalque]

So pops, firstly thank you for the advice, but I have another question. One thing that’s been working pretty well for me in terms of catching scum I have meta with is looking st how they’re interacting with me and seeing if it’s consistent with what I’d expect from them given their prior play with me.

In cases like that, how do I build a case on them without it looking like me being indignant/OMGUSing if they already voted me?

Like for this game should I have just kept on creeper and then come forskitt the next day? Because I considered that but I didn’t think getting off would be SR bc I thought “there’s no way anyone will think I wouldn’t just keep bussing there” and I thought skitt was also scum but also more dangerous so wanted to get the conversation going over her before doing creeper (or instead, but didn’t think it was likely)

[popsofctown]

That's a toughie. You actually have more experience than me on that question, I have played a lot of mafia, but it's been very on and off, so the names have cycled in and out, so I hadn't had the chance to use meta very frequently.

But from what I've seen from meta cases in a general sense from other players using them, they have a very low success rate convincing eachother on the basis of meta cases, even though meta can be valid. Blindsheeping is difficult, and the classic problem that a living player can't be trusted and a dead player is easily forgotten reaches it's peak in cases where you're the only one who's experienced the particular thing. So I think even if I was "good" at it, it looks like I wouldn't get very far.

If there's anyway to reframe the same argument in a meta-agnostic way, I'd go for that. If you're at L-2, and a player votes you at L-3 for an interaction you know you had with them as town in a different game, just point out how the interaction is NAI for Menalque and in fact NAI for anyone, and how it's scummy for someone to use that as a basis for jumping on a wagon they secretly favor for its viability.

This strategy won't work if your meta tell has a paradoxical reasoning behind it, which it very well may - if player X is usually aggressive towards you, but has been passive this game, but is actually just aggressive all the time, mostly as town, in their other games. I have a hard time mustering any suggestion at all for a situation like that, but I don't think it should happen too often.

That's the best I can do for you.

For the more game-specific question you've presented here about staying on a consensus scumread versus bailing to a stronger player that fewer voices scumread - I think you just lynch the consensus scum first. Even though deadsheeping doesn't happen quite as often as it should, it's more likely to happen after you build camaraderie by lynching scum together, I think. So if your thoughts are presented in twilight or on a subsequent game, you should be in a good position to win the game.
I think there's a bit of a logic knot to trying to lynch the scummier scum first - you will not have the scumpartner's vote yet, and you will be working with the same town-aligned players to get that lynch. If those town-aligned players can't combine deadsheep and their own reasoning to lynch the strong player with the -easier- sequencing, the one that gives them an additional vote for actually removing the player, they definitely won't be able to follow you on it at first - especially with obvscum apparent, right in front of you.

Unvoting scum, even with the best intentions, is probably a little like owning a holstered black water gun as a fashion accessory you like to fiddle with while cops write your speeding tickets. Not actually a bad sign, but you're putting an awful lot out to be misinterpreted and the burdern on the interpreter is pretty high.

[Farkran]

It's kinda too early for me to play a cult game here though, this was my first game in a new environment, i learned a lot but i don't feel confident in my ability to play a large game with different rules. I think i'll probably queue for another newbie game, hopefully with some of you guys. Despite my aggressiveness and attention-whoring, i actually respected everyone and enjoyed playing with you a lot. Especially pops. Actually i didn't play with pops since i was dead, but i weant to. Pops also plays isaac. I am good at isaac.

[Farkran]

Like for this game should I have just kept on creeper and then come forskitt the next day? Because I considered that but I didn’t think getting off would be SR bc I thought “there’s no way anyone will think I wouldn’t just keep bussing there” and I thought skitt was also scum but also more dangerous so wanted to get the conversation going over her before doing creeper (or instead, but didn’t think it was likely)

I know you didn't ask me, but since you listed the one and only reason why i SRed you hard, i guess i would tell you. Prior to your unvote of creeper, you were at least a TL to me. I believe you could word your post as "i am ok with lynching creeper, but let's go over skitter before hammering - i find her scum for reason X, Y and Z". At least i would have read that as extremely pro-town behavior.

[popsofctown]

I played some Isaac today, actually.

I lost though, I'm not that good at Isaac.

[Farkran]

I played some Isaac today, actually.

I lost though, I'm not that good at Isaac.

Aw. I am currently missing Greedier completion on several characters, my Lost is empty (hard as hell without the holy mantle), my XXX only has normalmode Greed, MH and Sheol i think

[Farkran]

Also i should be starting a mafiascum wiki like you guys do, let me work on it for a minute...

[Farkran]

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How do i do that?

[Farkran]

Oh nvm, i wasn't logged in

[popsofctown]

Do you mean player wiki pages?

I think my player wiki page is basically blank, I thought they were all for bragging.

I've since realized linking all the past games you've played is maybe kind of cool, but it'd be so much effort to dig around and compile my past games, I've kind of given up and said nah.

I also think I might be better off not really knowing my actual winrate (even though I try to keep my winrate as high as I can. I just don't want to feel frustrated about it).

[Farkran]

Yes, that one! I like to record my scores and provide comments about games i played, regardless of outcome. That's probably because i love reading other people's records - i like skitter's layout so i'll probably steal and tweak it for my page.

I just queued for another newbie, i think i'll play with teacher and skitter again, unless they /out it after seeing i joined. Pops, wanna join in?

[popsofctown]

I played some Isaac today, actually.

I lost though, I'm not that good at Isaac.

Aw. I am currently missing Greedier completion on several characters, my Lost is empty (hard as hell without the holy mantle), my XXX only has normalmode Greed, MH and Sheol i think

I'm missing plenty of completion marks for characters and haven't beaten the last 2 challenges of the latest expansion.

I think I've gotten one of every completion mark except greedier though. I haven't been trying greedier because I like exploring.

[popsofctown]

Yeah, I have room for another game, I'll queue.

I might not actually get put into the same game though, due to the guidelines about getting a minimum number of newbies and a minimum number of SEs in each game.

[Farkran]

I think I've gotten one of every completion mark except greedier though. I haven't been trying greedier because I like exploring.

Greedier is kinda hard, i only got it as Azazel and Lilith because they're op in greed mode. My Magdalene is 100% complete though, as is... Cain, i think? Or was it Judas? Either of the two, i'll check later. Currently i am on hiatus because i hate the new quickreset key combo that may accidentally reset your run and

there is no way to turn it off

(playing on Switch).

[Farkran]

Yeah, I have room for another game, I'll queue.

I might not actually get put into the same game though, due to the guidelines about getting a minimum number of newbies and a minimum number of SEs in each game.

I hope you are allowed in, i'd love to play with you. My role wishlist is currently this, i think:

• Any Scum with pops. Or skitter.
  
• Any Town with any of you guys.
  
• Cult leader with anyone.
  
• Mason again with anyone but in a larger game.

[Farkran]

Actually i'd also like to be scum with Selynee. I see a great potential in scum!sely.

[Farkran]

Oh! I almost forgot.

@skitter: why didn't you advice creeper to quickhammer me or menalque? I mean, his slot was already kinda compromised.

Was it still during the time he didn't check scum PT, or did you think you could save him?

[Farkran]

Also why didn't you kill emps last night?

I mean, i'd probably have killed sely too, but i have been reconsidering it recently. Didn't you feel confident you could trick her into voting pops?

[Selynee]

Hey! GG everyone. Congratz, pops and emps- nicely played here.