Newbie 1951 (Day 4)

[Menalque]

Also why didn't you kill emps last night?

I mean, i'd probably have killed sely too, but i have been reconsidering it recently. Didn't you feel confident you could trick her into voting pops?

I’m p sure she said her plan was get pops to vote emps whereas sely was lock!town by the end so that wouldn’t have worked if she’d liked emps

[Farkran]

Also why didn't you kill emps last night?

I mean, i'd probably have killed sely too, but i have been reconsidering it recently. Didn't you feel confident you could trick her into voting pops?

I’m p sure she said her plan was get pops to vote emps whereas sely was lock!town by the end so that wouldn’t have worked if she’d liked emps

Sure, no way pops would vote Sely over skitter, but what about the opposite? Sely voted pops in d3, there was at least some chance she would vote pops again in d4. I was just wondering if that would have been a better plan, despite the fact that you basically bring an assumed IC to lylo.

[teacher]

FYI, for the newbs, if you sign up now you likely miss the troika of SEs here. Those in/who get in the current newb line is slated to go with 3 other SEs in a game I am modding, and then Skit/Pops/I will be the game after that.

One note for those unaware (sely/sushi/fark(?)), on the top of the banner, you can see a link saying find my posts. Thats the best way to see if there has been activity in any of the threads you have ever posted in. (I didnt discover that until like a month after finding MS, and it rocked my world).

Skit, I loved reading the scum thread and echo Pop's respect for you playing the way you did.

I want everyone to see my conversation with Menalque in the dead -- I wowed him an apology for saying rule breaking, and so I want that apology out here too. He would not knowingly break the rules (and did not in fact break them imo). But I would still urge extreme caution if how you reference ongoing games at all.

Emps, losing passion D3+ seems a consistent thing for you, unless you are PR. IT was a pleasure to play as always, but you might want to watch/think about that.

Sely - way to bleed town.

Sorry this was rambly as I have to run to get ready for school, so if I left anyone off, I apologize. I would definitly play with anyone here again.

[skitter30]

i barely read any games anymore

i'm only following this cuz i'm following the newd3 stats

currently 4/0 for town :v

Heya rc

Newd3 happened because towns were winning a lot in 2d3?

[skitter30]

The rest of the scum PT was fun.

I think I have a standing disagreement with you on how far ignoring you own opinions and proxying opinions of others can benefit you, skitter, I feel like it helped me win this game and not mislynch emps. In a game with RC I gave his opinion on a slot pretty heavy weight, especially after he flipped town, and it served me well there too. It's not a fun skill to hone but I think it can be useful, especially when you get a feel for how much grounding you have beneath your own reads and whether that's weak enough grounding to consider proxying

Which post of mine are you referring to?

[skitter30]

ok but like this one shouldn't count it was masons the EV is straight scumsided

I am just a bomb replacement

Skitter honored her duties as an SE instead of tryharding

I actually think masons are the easiest to work with, for the most part - you know *exactly* who town power is, which makes it easier to work around - you know that there arent going to be any surprise guilties on you

Also you did some nka at some point, which was also spot-on - neither farkran nor spam were particularly suspiciois of me that night, but farkran had more of a presence and was more liable to rethink things, so he had to go

[skitter30]

could be, could be

farkran is not a pr i'm *p* sure. *def* not a mason

i'm not really getting like ~mason vibes~ running through the thread, but i could be wrong

Lollable moments

Also i still respect you a lot skitter, you didn't play bad. You were put in a very hard place as scum in this game, yet you went up to lylo and had some (not many, to be honest, but also non-zero) chances to win. This is a significant achievement in itself. I love pops though.

(i think i'm going to spam a bit due to excitement, sorry everyone)

Thanks

[skitter30]

Also @skitt r u proud of me for getting it right that you were scum? Was interesting to see that the push on me was bc you wanted me to claim as potential PR

You were right <3

I kinda wanted to force prs to out early so that:
A) i'd know where they are
B) i have a built-in excuse for not dying

I think part of what did you in was not working together with other olayers, if that makes sense? You kinda need to recognize that if you're in the hot seat, you need to figure our what other players want from you in order to get yourself into a better position.

In this game it was p simple: teacher wanted you to explain why you were scumreading me - in his eyes at that point, you were scum making up a read who couldnt explain it when pressed. If you had explained it, i think he would have backed down there because at least part of the reasoning didnt hold

So i think an important skill as both alignments is recognizing what people are expecting/needing from you to be townread, and then doing that

Idk hope that helps a bit

[skitter30]

Unvoting scum, even with the best intentions, is probably a little like owning a holstered black water gun as a fashion accessory you like to fiddle with while cops write your speeding tickets. Not actually a bad sign, but you're putting an awful lot out to be misinterpreted and the burdern on the interpreter is pretty high.

Ya i knew menalque would be the day2 mislynch once he unvoted, that sort of thing just doesnf look good and is really easy to push, even though it doesnt actually come from scum that often

[skitter30]

Oh! I almost forgot.

@skitter: why didn't you advice creeper to quickhammer me or menalque? I mean, his slot was already kinda compromised.

Was it still during the time he didn't check scum PT, or did you think you could save him?

I dont remember when that happened - point me to a post and i'll see what was going on then

[skitter30]

Also why didn't you kill emps last night?

I mean, i'd probably have killed sely too, but i have been reconsidering it recently. Didn't you feel confident you could trick her into voting pops?

I didnt feel like i had as good a sense of what her reads are and that there was a p good chance that she'd just lolsheep teached without thinking about it too much

(In lylo as scum i believe its really important to know as much as possible what the other players are liable to do - it makes it easier to figure out what veats you need to hit.
I didnt have a great sense for what she'd do and nobody scumread her so i decided she should go

It was a tough choice tho; no lylo was particularly favorable to me - although like i said before, any lylo with teacher out of it was better than one wirh him in it so it was good that he became the day3 mislynch

[skitter30]

Also why didn't you kill emps last night?

I mean, i'd probably have killed sely too, but i have been reconsidering it recently. Didn't you feel confident you could trick her into voting pops?

I’m p sure she said her plan was get pops to vote emps whereas sely was lock!town by the end so that wouldn’t have worked if she’d liked emps

Sure, no way pops would vote Sely over skitter, but what about the opposite? Sely voted pops in d3, there was at least some chance she would vote pops again in d4. I was just wondering if that would have been a better plan, despite the fact that you basically bring an assumed IC to lylo.

Yeah but if she was just going to sheep teacher i was screwed because pops wasnt going to vote selynee, and i couldnt tell if she'd just sheep teacher

[skitter30]

FYI, for the newbs, if you sign up now you likely miss the troika of SEs here. Those in/who get in the current newb line is slated to go with 3 other SEs in a game I am modding, and then Skit/Pops/I will be the game after that.

Oh i thought inwas signing up for the next game, not then one after that - i've got some vla in the next month so i might have to out depending, not fair to sign when i know i have vla for a game with 36 hour prod timers

I'll keep an eye on the queue

[Farkran]

Oh! I almost forgot.

@skitter: why didn't you advice creeper to quickhammer me or menalque? I mean, his slot was already kinda compromised.

Was it still during the time he didn't check scum PT, or did you think you could save him?

I dont remember when that happened - point me to a post and i'll see what was going on then

My wagon: 368 to 474. You actively stopped my wagon instead of having creeper hammer it. He could PROBABLY hide behind the newbie shield in d2, chat mafia background would allow that (hammers happen way quicker in there). However, he wasn't entirely compromised at that point, so you may have believed you could save him.

Menalque wagon actually stopped right at L-1 since teacher immediately unvoted after my vote, so you didn't really have a chance to hammer it.

[skitter30]

Wrt your wagon:
A) he wasnt around
B) it wasnt a sure thing yet that his lynch would happen instead (and lolhammering you would make it a sure thing)
C) iirc i still wanted menalque at ths time - i believe in trying to see if you can get mislynches in people you'd otherwise have to kill
D) i figured that i'd get townpoints for wk'ing you - if you hadnt been a pr i was p sure you'd have been mislynched

[Farkran]

Wrt your wagon:
A) he wasnt around
B) it wasnt a sure thing yet that his lynch would happen instead (and lolhammering you would make it a sure thing)
C) iirc i still wanted menalque at ths time - i believe in trying to see if you can get mislynches in people you'd otherwise have to kill
D) i figured that i'd get townpoints for wk'ing you - if you hadnt been a pr i was p sure you'd have been mislynched

Yeah, i guess. I kinda disagree with B though, at that point i wouldn't really call it a lolhammer - i would probably have accepted a newbie-shield defense from creeper in d2, assuming it was passionate. Regardless of that, you could also rethink your bus strategy against creeper and make it more aggressive and solid.

This, along with your D is part of the reason i don't think i played really good - i knew i was confirmable town and didn't think much about the fact that other townies could not possibly know. I was careless and too aggressive for my role, i deserved a mislynch and i'm actually surprised it didn't happen. I have to thank NMSA for keeping me alive (at least until n1 happened). If i died there, the game would have been much different.

The reason i did not claim was because i thought, if i did, that NMSA would have been outed by scum VERY soon and n1k'ed. Both of us have been giving townreads of each other for no reason at all. It was a very risky play, probably not worth it, even if in the end we got to reap its rewards.

[NotMySpamAccount]

Hahaha Farkran.

Jesters are virtually nonexistent on mafiascum.

I hope you weren't looking forward to playing them in this format.

They're not popular around here.

They were used fairly frequently where i come from, i liked the role but not to the point i'd be looking forward to play it rather than anything else, really.

What i kinda strongly want to play, sooner or later, is a cult game. I loved cult.

I also like to play scum but i'm not too good at it (inb4 "you're not good as town either").

Korina

[NotMySpamAccount]

wp emps and pops, tense lylo. also wp skitter for lasting all the way. gg everyone, can't wait to play with y'all in the future.

[skitter30]

Regardless of that, you could also rethink your bus strategy against creeper and make it more aggressive and solid.

I know, but it would have felt kinda icky to do that if he wasnt on board

[Farkran]

Korina

LOL @her profile. Too early for me though, i'll <3 her later and persuade her to host or play a cult game for me

[NotMySpamAccount]

Korina

LOL @her profile. Too early for me though, i'll <3 her later and persuade her to host or play a cult game for me

Yeah Korina is probably the best known cult enthusiast

[Selynee]

Yeah, tbh no idea what I'd have done in lylo. Also, the reason I didn't give much of a read on you is because I didn't know how to read you. I mean I did found your points reasonable ( didn't see anything on your progression on Farkran till Pops brought it...) but there were a few small things disturbing a clear read on you. On the other hand, small stuff that I do find it suspicious but not even I am sure are not simply me reading too much into something or your play style wasn't much of a read. So, I just sort of avoided given a clear answer.

[skitter30]

Yeah that may have won you lot the game - i dont like unpredictability and i couldnt really tell what you were likely to do

[Menalque]

Unvoting scum, even with the best intentions, is probably a little like owning a holstered black water gun as a fashion accessory you like to fiddle with while cops write your speeding tickets. Not actually a bad sign, but you're putting an awful lot out to be misinterpreted and the burdern on the interpreter is pretty high.

Ya i knew menalque would be the day2 mislynch once he unvoted, that sort of thing just doesnf look good and is really easy to push, even though it doesnt actually come from scum that often

Im gonna print this out and out it on my wall so I can show it to people in future wen they call it scummy

[Menalque]

Also @skitt r u proud of me for getting it right that you were scum? Was interesting to see that the push on me was bc you wanted me to claim as potential PR

You were right <3

I kinda wanted to force prs to out early so that:
A) i'd know where they are
B) i have a built-in excuse for not dying

I think part of what did you in was not working together with other olayers, if that makes sense? You kinda need to recognize that if you're in the hot seat, you need to figure our what other players want from you in order to get yourself into a better position.

In this game it was p simple: teacher wanted you to explain why you were scumreading me - in his eyes at that point, you were scum making up a read who couldnt explain it when pressed. If you had explained it, i think he would have backed down there because at least part of the reasoning didnt hold

So i think an important skill as both alignments is recognizing what people are expecting/needing from you to be townread, and then doing that

Idk hope that helps a bit

I still super enjoyed playing with you, but could you cut down on rolling scum

against

me in future pls? You can continue going onward to roll town with me or scum with me but tbh 2 games in a row is enough

Your PR logic makes a lot of sense, I think you not dying would have made me SR you much harder unless you’d been quiet enough that I thought it was an all newbie team not considering you enough of a threat.

And yeah, you’re right. I guess I just worry that doing that looks like appeasement and I suppose I’d expect appeasing behaviour to come more often from scum, so I thought that would just get me SR more. I’ll try to see how I can hit those beats more in future.

Also it was actually really hard with the you thing bc I was finding it hard to put exactly into words how I thought you’d been off — like there was no one big “gotcha” moment, it was a load of little things. So being in twilight with someone pushing me to do something quite intricate seemed more likely to come from scum, as it was fairly likely day would end before I got the case up (fmpov) and I wanted to use the time to go for someone who I thought had a really weird progression on me and who I thought was trying to close day before I could defend myself.

Then I got emotionally over involved and blew up there so I couldn’t really back out of the tunnel I was in because I wasn’t thinking about the situation any more.

Sorry again to teacher for my reaction there (both in comments and actions) and to anyone who found that particularly unpleasant. Thank you to teacher for the apology regarding the rule-breaking stuff, and I will be more careful in future about anything to do with having my play informed by ongoing games.

Thanks nexus for modding!