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[Draynth]

@Spangled

Who do you think is scum?

[UrVeggieM8]

Just realised that I didn't justify why I thought Draynth putting a second vote on Faüstiv might be construed as a scum-play. I feel that the combination of there already being one vote for Faüstiv and the rising suspicion of them (Examples: 98, 103, 106) may have been incentive for a scum-aligned player to put a vote in.

I'm not very confident in this though, because right now I get a scummier read on faüstiv more than I do for Draynth. Obviously scum voting for scum wouldn't make sense! So this situation described above would (probably!) only happen if faüstiv was town.

Any thoughts on this or have I just confused myself?

[Draynth]

Objectively, it's a scummy vote so you're not wrong

[Draynth]

That being said, it depends on whether or not you believe 123 really. Context matters after all

[UrVeggieM8]

Fair enough, next question to everybody is their thoughts on 123.

[faüstiv]

I think he should share why he wanted me to answer that question.

[Draynth]

I have my reasoning behind wanting an answer that I'll share once I've thought on it some more.

I won't be saying anything else on the matter until I'm ready

[Draynth]

@Faustiv

Are you still scumreading spangled?
Are you scumreading anyone else?
Are you townreading anyone?

[Egix96]

Thoughts on Geyde and faüstiv so far, Egix?

I am satisfied with Geyde's new posts since I last Iso-ed him, especially 77 and 108. I'm fine with leaning town on him.

As for faustiv, I would say that 74 is a bit hypocritical (is faustiv not also being passive?) and I dislike that they initially ignored Draynth's question to them - if you didn't think that answering that question would help to find scum, then why not say that at the time? Just ignoring it isn't really a good look.

[Spangled]

I do find it funny that no one has, so far, asked what prompted my giving a townread to Veggie based on 66, but I’ll expound on it here.
Simply put, I think it shows a willingness to understand where Geyde was coming from, and a desire to, despite what Geyde said, engage with and attempt to apply it in a solving sense. Their tone, also — I don’t know, but I feel a strange kind of mindmeld; a gut-townread — 66 is the kind of question

I

like to ask.

I tend not to feel this kind of instinctive gutread very often, and it hasn’t been wrong yet, so I’m trusting it this time. Certainly it’s not so strong as usual, but...

My wording in my post may have been strange, however — an early townread could have been better phrased as a townlean, perhaps, but still.

[Spangled]

@Spangled

Who do you think is scum?

There are lots of candidates
I don’t like how Geyde hasn’t engaged with me, even when I have asked a question or two, just pointed to a bit or two in my post and said ‘explain that; engage with me but I’m not gonna reciprocate’, and I feel a bit like they’re trying to get me in a ‘gotcha’ moment, if you will. I do think my feeling there is a bit OMGUS-y, though, and other than that their posts portray a pretty good town mindset, so I’ll leave this one at the door, I think.

How Airan said ‘I’m sorry I agreed with Spangled if it seems suspicious to you guys’... Honestly I could agree with Egix, here — it reminds me of my first game on-site, where I randed scum and didn’t know what I was doing but I hated pressure being put on me, and felt bad went people scumread me correctly. I’ll think about this some more when I’ve had rest, though.

Uh... faüstiv... My initial impression, filtered through a tired brain, is more or less — Strange? Yes. Scummy?Maybe. Hotel? Trivago.
Again, I’ll look at this tomorrow. Sorry for terrible posts at a terrible hour.

[NotMySpamAccount]

Also, VOTE: faustiv

Why do you feel this way? I also scum read them, but not enough to definitively vote.

It's early d1, and you're not voting anyone rn. you should be.

[NotMySpamAccount]

EBWOP

Scumreading Spangled so far.

May I ask you why?

You're being too passive.

Would you mind answering the below please? It was literally the very next post after Spangled's

Have you played mafia before Faustiv?

Didn't think answering that question would help us find scum.

Yes I have played before.

Also, VOTE: faustiv

Why are you voting me?

Also, VOTE: faustiv

Why do you feel this way? I also scum read them, but not enough to definitively vote.

Why do you scumread me?

Even if you think it won't help, answer quesstions unless it will actively hurt town.

[Jamelia]

Also, VOTE: faustiv

Why do you feel this way? I also scum read them, but not enough to definitively vote.

It's early d1, and you're not voting anyone rn. you should be.

I was voting someone early D1 until we actually were getting votes that were related to game play and not RVS. In my last game, we hammered on a town way too early and didn’t even get to hear a defense from the person (who was town and I believed was town) to speak, and then D2 we hammered and lost an opportunity for good information. I just am being more careful this time and preventing that from happening.

At the time of me unvoting on Faustiv, they had 3 votes on them. I just brought it down to two; which is still pressure, in my opinion.

[Jamelia]

I’m sorry, I made a mistake. I meant to say if I had voted ON to faustiv, it would have made it 3 votes. Not me unvoting and making it two.

[Errantparabola]

don't you realize
our bodies could fall apart at any second

- Bodys,

Twin Fantasy

votecount 1.5

Spangled

(2): Egix96, Geyde

faüstiv

(1): UrVeggieM8

Jamelia

(1): NotMySpamAccount

NotMySpamAccount

(1): Spangled

Not Voting

(4): faüstiv, Airan303, Jamelia, Draynth

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to reach a majority.

Deadline is in (expired on 2019-09-27 09:56:00)

[Airan303]

Here is some of my opinions. I have not checked out everyone though.
Draynth seems to be asking lots of questions and not giving lots of answers. Then again, we might want to question him a bit more.
Egix has posted little but his unified opinion was very informative. However, Draynth had to prompt him to post that.
Faustiv was asking lots of questions, but he didn’t elaborate on spangled being ‘too passive’ (I may be mistaken). He also wasn’t giving many answers.
Geyde had made good questions and encouraged people to vote. He had a good argument against spangled but didn’t have tunnel vision and pointed out that there should be a counter-vote by scum if he was right.
BTW @jamelia who do you think is scum?

[Egix96]

Egix has posted little but his unified opinion was very informative. However, Draynth had to prompt him to post that.

You mean Geyde, right?

[Egix96]

@Egix
If 66 is not the best question asked so far, what is, in your opinion?
I also don’t really see how it is self-contradictory to say that I don’t think this person should be called scum for doing so-and-so, but that I’ll think a bit about it. You will notice that I did exactly that — I looked over their entrance in their previous game.

- Really I'm not sure. It's hard to say what makes one particular question better than another. I wasn't really meaning to imply that I thought there was something better than 66, just that I felt it was overrated.
- It's just that the two parts of your post that I bolded seemed to send separate messages - "I don't think I can scumread Jamelia for that" versus "I will consider voting them".

[Airan303]

Egix has posted little but his unified opinion was very informative. However, Draynth had to prompt him to post that.

You mean Geyde, right?

Yeah I think so

[Jamelia]

Here is some of my opinions. I have not checked out everyone though.
Draynth seems to be asking lots of questions and not giving lots of answers. Then again, we might want to question him a bit more.
Egix has posted little but his unified opinion was very informative. However, Draynth had to prompt him to post that.
Faustiv was asking lots of questions, but he didn’t elaborate on spangled being ‘too passive’ (I may be mistaken). He also wasn’t giving many answers.
Geyde had made good questions and encouraged people to vote. He had a good argument against spangled but didn’t have tunnel vision and pointed out that there should be a counter-vote by scum if he was right.
BTW @jamelia who do you think is scum?

I still think that faustiv is acting scummy. They’ve been asked a few times now about their passive / questioning tone and they haven’t responded in a way I’d expect someone who’s town would. So, they’re my main scum read. I also am suspicious of Spam, but I’m not sure if that’s because of their tunnel vision of my “exclamation points” or actual content. I like the way they analyze but I don’t necessarily agree with their content

[UrVeggieM8]

Here is some of my opinions. I have not checked out everyone though.
Draynth seems to be asking lots of questions and not giving lots of answers. Then again, we might want to question him a bit more.
Egix has posted little but his unified opinion was very informative. However, Draynth had to prompt him to post that.
Faustiv was asking lots of questions, but he didn’t elaborate on spangled being ‘too passive’ (I may be mistaken). He also wasn’t giving many answers.
Geyde had made good questions and encouraged people to vote. He had a good argument against spangled but didn’t have tunnel vision and pointed out that there should be a counter-vote by scum if he was right.
BTW @jamelia who do you think is scum?

I still think that faustiv is acting scummy. They’ve been asked a few times now about their passive / questioning tone and they haven’t responded in a way I’d expect someone who’s town would. So, they’re my main scum read. I also am suspicious of Spam, but I’m not sure if that’s because of their tunnel vision of my “exclamation points” or actual content. I like the way they analyze but I don’t necessarily agree with their content

Apologies if this sounds like a rehash of an earlier post directed at you.
Not putting a vote out for faüstiv seems contradictory to what you're saying about them being your main scum read. I do understand that you said you're wary of hammering someone who actually might be town but if faüstiv is your main scum read right now, then... huh???
If you had to put percentages on faüstiv (example: 60% scum and 40% town), what would they be?

[Geyde]

Spangled's posts on the subject of the RVS add nothing of note to discussion in any meaningful way other than 'it was unlikely that they would be quickhammered since it takes 5 votes', prolonging a conversation which could have ended in the span of one post. Scum had definitely prolonged the thread discussion of RVS; Spangled fits the bill considering their post adds nothing but fluff to the conversation.
Additionally, their townread on UrVeggie's question comes off as TMI given that the question was definitely not out of a scum's range to ask.


VOTE: Spangled

The conversation

was

all fluff at that point,

but you still have to post

. I answered some questions, and that was literally all I

could

do. What would you have me be doing at that point, rather than answering those questions and give context?

I bolded a part I found interesting.
Could you explain this thought process in the context of your plays?

Sounds like the second half of a question on an exam — the subject something pretentious-sounding, like Meta and Theory, perhaps the question would be: ‘Why do you have to post while playing mafia? Could you explain this thought process in the context of your plays?

But yes, I can; it’s very simple. Not posting earns you prods, enough prods gets you replaced out.

But I don’t think that’s what you mean. No, I have to post, responding to others’ questions and giving opinions, whether they’re especially game-pertinent or not, because that’s the only way the game gets moved forward. True, I wasn’t

actively

doing that, but could I have, at that point? As I asked you before — what would you have me doing at that point, seriously?
What was the ‘play’ for me to make there as town?

Being proactive in responses. Trying to take things in directions that would create situations that would be better for reading players.
And to your point about what you could have done, there was no attempt to apply it to the greater game at the time. I am probably asking too much of a player at that point, but I couldn't glean a will to solve from what you had posted.

[Geyde]

I've actually really liked what Spangled has posted recently.
It's showing much more of a thought process than what I had seen before, particularly how they've responded to my push on them and how they had explained their initial read on 66.

I'm certainly not completely sold on them being town, but I'd have them as > rand town

UNVOTE: Spangled

[UrVeggieM8]

Sharing some reads I've had so far.

Airan - seems more town than scum for me at this point. Posting about bandwagoning as early as they did doesn’t seem like a scum thing to do, purely because I feel it might have drawn more attention than scum might have wanted. Could be wrong though.

Draynth - Has asked questions that could be indicative of other town or scum. I feel that putting a second vote on faüstiv without a justification (102) is the first scum-play that’s come from them.

Spam - Tbh, I find their style of play to be provocative. Examples: Bandwagoning (7) and putting a vote out there that’s not rvs (52). For this reason, atm I read them as more likely to be town than scum. They’ve gone quiet as of late though? @Spam, do you have any opinions on the game thus far?

Faustiv - Not enough info coming from them! Has only asked questions about why they’re under suspicion or being voted. Most likely scum-read for me atm.

No strong read on Spangled just yet but I even I thought the early townread on me (while appreciated) felt premature. Not entirely sure why that would make them more likely to be scum though?

Updating this after reviewing the thread for a little bit.

Jamelia - I have rising suspicions because of the non-committal type posts they've been making regarding voting faüstiv. Both Draynth and Spangled have asked them "why not vote?" already. I am aware that Jamelia's response was that they wanted to analyse faüstiv's responses but I feel as though faüstiv has had ample time to give responses and we haven't seen many substantial ones so far. I'm surprised that Geyde has not said anything about this, given that they talk about applying info in a solving sense or trying to push the game further with questions.

@Geyde

What are your thoughts on faüstiv? I'm going to ask the same question that I asked Jamelia... based on the content that faüstiv has put out so far, if you had to put a percentage on them (example: 60% scum 40% town), what would it be?