Alisae V Pine: Trees Apparently Make Good Treestumps

[the worst]

okay, that's fair. I'm not doing it tonight because I'm getting sleepy and it'll involve going back through his ISO. I do remember that it was partly due to me thinking his reaction over my speculation about you/chicka/him/krazy was weird, plus I think quite a lot of AtE stuff.

put like @Dannflor in your post or something so I can control+F to find it because I'm skimming an increasing amount of posts this game

yeah, okay, will do

@duckie didn't I promise that in twilight?

yes

[Firebringer]

I've never seen duck this sassy

i like the sassy duck. he has some fire in him

[the worst]

worstie u seem too really be focused on people reads on u here and when u go into them ur like confused on how people could think ur scum, when people have scumreads on u and are like constantly going kind of like "but i am playing so obviously town" and i only see glimpses of what i think could be town u and the rest i am like "nope this is not town worstie"

you're so close my GOD

[mastina]

She did not actually do this day 1 at all, she made it up today.

Try again.
I've been very clear ever since I claimed bodyguard--the proof being in D2 posts--that it was always my plan to be as literally pro-town as possible on D1. I was literally trying my damnedest to do everything town.

D1s I am usually laid back. D1s I am usually fairly jokey. D1s I am usually not very explainy. D1s I usually do basically nothing. But here I went out of my way to phonepost a shitload of content, give long walls, give full readslists, and even give REASONS behind the readslists. I explained my stances, I gave a ton of shit that I normally don't bother to, specifically because I was trying to put in the extra effort on D1. Specifically because I knew that if I did my job, I'd be dead N1. And if I had died N1. I'd have want to leave the most lasting impact possible after my death.

Tell me.

Which has a longer-lasting impact?

Players thinking the bodyguard made a successful protection, thus concluding that a single player, Ankamius, is town...

...Or players thinking that the bodyguard might've eaten the nightkill, thus concluding that her content is worth analyzing, breaking down, reviewing, rereviewing, to look at her stances, her townreads, her scumreads, her thoughts on the gamestate, and so on and so forth?

Which of these has a better impact on the long-term state of the game?
The thing which affects only D2 after which Ank eats the N2 nightkill anyway, or the thing which affects EVERY day phase for the rest of the game as players continuously review who died and theorize as to why?

No fucking shit it's the latter and that is what I was fucking aiming for.
That's stupidly obviously literally the only way to play the role right.

[Alisae]

The fact mastina has been able to keep up with the game and hasn’t been doing the catch up posts that she usually provides means we lynch her.

[Firebringer]

Ladies and gentlemen welcome to mastina argues.
Where she nitpicks an argument to hone in on something which she can argue with for days and days while ignoring the larger argument.

We will be here for awhile in round 1 but wait until after intermission for the real fun

[mastina]

Just hope this doesn’t go wrong tho, okay?

Of course it goes fucking wrong because it's me you're fucking lynching.

[Alisae]

Just hope this doesn’t go wrong tho, okay?

Of course it goes fucking wrong because it's me you're fucking lynching.

oh no
We’re lynching mastina

[Firebringer]

u guys should really try narrating mafia games sometimes. its really fun and takes the edge off.

[Firebringer]

im gonna be surprised if scum don't hit a mason tonight. my mason guesses have been narrowed down to 4 players.

[the worst]

u guys should really try narrating mafia games sometimes. its really fun and takes the edge off.

...says firebringer, spinning gleefully on his chair.

many in the town were ignorant to this cunning interlude. but a watchful duck took notice.

[Menalque]

yo Mastina when did your SR on ank turn into a TR?

(the worst, if you're not enjoying this game and it's partly due to things like me incorrectly SRing you (if that is the case) then I'm actually legit sorry if we're both town. I've been trying to handle you with a certain degree of brevity as I don't really know you that well, but maybe it's been coming off badly.

if you're not enjoying the game because you're scum and I'm SRing you then I'm still sorry you aren't enjoying it but less so for my part in it. I hate doing this during the game because you don't really know if I'm being sincere, but I don't lie with regard to these types of things, and I'll confirm that post-game if you have any doubts)

[Alisae]

Thats really great
I don’t really care anymore tbh

[Firebringer]

u guys should really try narrating mafia games sometimes. its really fun and takes the edge off.

...says firebringer, spinning gleefully on his chair.

many in the town were ignorant to this cunning interlude. but a watchful duck took notice.

u got the hang of it!

[the worst]

i need to go work. dannflor/menaphos, you're common sense officers in my absence.

pedit: thank you. dw you're not causing me any direct discomfort. the thing i disliked the most that you did was the "if you're not enjoying the mechtalk then help me solve the mechtalk!!!" thing because it just showed a resounding lack of original thought. i'm enjoying the rest of your posting today.

[mastina]

alright back to the crux of your case on me: given you have some kind of respect for my scumplay in large themes why do you think I absolutely suck ass here?

What makes your play this game suck ass if you're scum?

You're mostly out of sight; you've been almost entirely out of mind until this day phase. Literally before today I think I was literally the only one putting any attention on you whatsoever; everyone else was either ignoring you or calling you town. What makes that a bad scum performance?

the duality of "tw is good at keeping scumteams together in large games" against "wow tw isn't doing anything" is something that hasn't been addressed and I'd like you to do it. given the experience you have with my play.

This is such a stupidly obvious thing I thought it didn't need to be said but okay.
Activity in the game thread does not necessarily reflect activity in the scum thread and vice versa.
You keep scumteams together in large games, sure, yeah, but you mostly do that in your scum PT, not in the game thread.
Same with Aristophanes. He's not someone who encourages his scumbuddies a ton in the actual game thread (I mean, he could, it's just that that's not where most of it happens); he encourages his scumbuddies a ton in the scumchat.

[Alisae]

Firebringer do u wanna vote mastina?

[Firebringer]

i can't vote anyone, pine has my vote.

[Alisae]

Just break the agreement?

[mastina]

Town!Fire also comes across as the dick who would want to shit on me as much as possible so...

And you think scum!Fire doesn't come across as a dick who'd want to shit on you as much as possible, because...

...Why?

[the worst]

Thats really great
I don’t really care anymore tbh

ali retorted, without an ounce of eir prior cordiality.
a fire was coming. the faint burn of metaphorical brimstone tickled the back of eir nostril. why were ey the only one who could smell it?

[popsofctown]

Yes playing pro-town always justifies itself.

You posted that you

wanted

-

town

- to be unsure if you successfully BGed.

You are correct that you can't really achieve the opposite goal without scumsiding and as a result you shouldn't ever approach BG that way.

But you posted that you

wanted

town and only town

to be unsure if you successfully BGed and you can't delete it even if you try to recharacterize now.

Your point being?

You're proving my fucking point not contradicting it.

Playing pro-town always justifies itself. As a bodyguard you shouldn't play shitty to ensure people know you made a successful protection. You should be playing so pro-town that people wonder if it was a successful protection or if you were just outright nightkilled.

There's no scumslip in saying only town wouldn't know because no fucking duh scum know who they fucking nightkilled and their nightkill being alive while a bodyguard they didn't nightkill is dead tells them that the bodyguard made the successful protection? That's stupidly obvious. No fucking shit only the town wouldn't know. But there's no way to TELL the town you made a successful protection after the fact and no way to say you're making a successful protection before the fact without giving away you're a bodyguard targeting x to the scumteam (and thus ensuring you DON'T make a successful protection).

The only way to tell the town you made a successful protection is if you were playing in a way that was shitty enough that no scum would ever nightkill you--but we've established that a bodyguard shouldn't be doing that, soooooo...if you're not playing in a way that was shitty enough that no scum would ever nightkill you...then...when you die...the town...

Oh what's the obvious conclusion from that?

Oh yeah.
The town wouldn't know.
Because you were playing too good for them to know.

And no fucking shit that's what you should fucking be doing? You should always be playing skilled enough that the town can't tell if you were nightkilled or if you made a successful protection.

And if the town CAN tell that it was a successful protection...it means you were playing shittily.
And since we both agree you shouldn't be playing shittily.
By definition you are fucking agreeing that the town shouldn't be able to tell it was a successful protection.

This is stupidly self-evident.

I don't need for you to understand your scumslip.
I need everyone else to.

[Jingle]

jingle, does hider act before bodyguard in the NAR order?

1. NAR only matters when there is a conflict in roles.

2. Hider is a commuting type role, and so acts immediately after copying in the NAR.

3. I did not make it explicit that NAR would be used this game. It is, but with the caveat that multiple roles of the same tier (such as the commuter and hider that have already flipped) were assigned a priority order by me.

[Firebringer]

Just break the agreement?

id rather keep it. I don't want to break promises.

[Formerfish]

Just hope this doesn’t go wrong tho, okay?

Of course it goes fucking wrong because it's me you're fucking lynching.

oh no
We’re lynching mastina

Seeing this is like seeing mommy and daddy kiss after a big fight. Let's you know things are going to be alright.

VOTE: Mastina