Alisae V Pine: Trees Apparently Make Good Treestumps

[the worst]

first thing that struck me as towny from him was his picking up nuanced aristophanes townpings around the same time i did. just note that where i got cold feet, reread and ended up sheeping jjh into kinda nullscumreading ari, dann actually doubled down in his townread and called others to action to explain it. i think that was a really pro-sorting read and the way he approached it was earnest.

i uh, need to read his iso in a bit more detail (if i feel like it) later but his takes on slots and the general gamestate also fairly consistently present as pretty earnest. dann hasn't been like a powertown mad scum slayer but i don't think i've actually seen him say anything which i don't believe. the closest i had to a concern was when he doubled down on his ari townread and i started second guessing my reasons for townreading him in the first place; but in hindsight i think i was the one who was shaken unnecessarily, it was a good read.

during that exchange between dann/mena/myself i had an eerie feeling we were all town. just like decent solving energy going on there, but particularly dann was applying a lot of momentum to the situation.

he was obviously neighbours with chickadee and stuff. if he was particularly scummy in the hood i'm p sure chickadee would have said something about that. it sounds like they had ok synergy all things considered.


it's lots of little things and kind of lazy holistic reads but kinda that situation where "if it acts like town, looks like town and smells like town, it's probably town"

[the worst]

nice pagetop go me

[Alisae]

Let's ignore Ali and solve the game.

bruh I wasn’t even posting for the last 9 pages or so
I’m ignoring the thread unless SS specifically needs me, or I’m @‘d

Speaking of which, if people need me, @ me and bold it.

[mastina]

Hey mastina, PB, and whoever else has Dancefloor as locktown.

Want to talk about why?

Honestly?

Not really, no. You're conftown and you're asking me to explain why a player who is locktown is locktown so I know I really should explain it. I should, I just...right now really don't want to. It's the kind of read which is basically aside from you almost uncontested so it's a little hard to motivate myself to explain it even though it's conftown asking me to do so because...like...most of the players in the game, as far as I can tell, just "get it", so to speak. Aside from you I can't really recall much in the way of anyone thinking he was anything other than town so I have a hard time motivating myself to describe a read which is basically almost a universal one, if that makes sense.

[Titus]

Let's ignore Ali and solve the game.

bruh I wasn’t even posting for the last 9 pages or so
I’m ignoring the thread unless SS specifically needs me, or I’m @‘d

Speaking of which, if people need me, @ me and bold it.

Bad typo. I meant to type all the scum. Got distracted.

[popsofctown]

Iconeum.

How is he a read for you at all?

He has 5 times as many posts as xofelf did. It's not a cult game, his alignment doesn't change when to "not here" when he's not here.


@Something_Smart
post 3015 and post 3190 are very mindmeld for that time in the gamestate. He townread several green flips and at least for the greenflips he had yellow or red, scum did not push those (DGB pushed herself :oof: ).
I also feel like scum wants to mislynch me rather than NK me this game so fmpov it's hard for Dann to be scum when he's so obstructionist about that concept. My strengths as town are spewing my own alignment sometimes and convincing people to vote with me if I figure scum out, but I'm not great at figuring scum out, so Pine is either going to not NK me at all or procrastinate it indefinitely.

[MariaR]

Mastina, I got your back. Let's ignore Ali and solve the game. Talk to me about the D1 VCs please. Why do you think LLD was bumrushed through?

Pft

[mastina]

The shitty thing is, it’s going to be yet another game where scum runs a clean, tight ship and is never in serious danger, but the credit goes to Town infighting and disorganization.

I mean.
The game became bullshit once D2 rolled around, so.
Pretty much yeah.

[MariaR]

Mastina isn't lynched yet I see. What a shame. I guess I need to move on

[Titus]

Mastina, I got your back. Let's ignore all the scum and solve the game. Talk to me about the D1 VCs please. Why do you think LLD was bumrushed through?

Pft

Hi.

[Titus]

Mastina isn't lynched yet I see. What a shame. I guess I need to move on

Good idea. Mastina's forced to bg conftown anyway sooo

[MariaR]

1) Her claim is a lie
2) You're doing that thing you do Titus. I get you're town but don't let your judgment be clouded by dumb stuff like that.

[mastina]

@SS you say it's weird that my push on mastina seems to be based on something that's characteristical from mastina herself and not about her alignment, but you're townreading her. Why? What's town about her?

Literally fucking everything.
What's scum about me?

[Titus]

1) Her claim is a lie
2) You're doing that thing you do Titus. I get you're town but don't let your judgment be clouded by dumb stuff like that.

1) Suppose that's right. Scum have to leave conftown alive in exchange. Worry if SS dies without mastina.

2) Great, then tell me what happened day one?

[Firebringer]

woah titus made a good point.

fine if SS dies while mastina is alive, we kill her.
Fine we can move onto someone else.

[MariaR]

1) Her claim is a lie
2) You're doing that thing you do Titus. I get you're town but don't let your judgment be clouded by dumb stuff like that.

1) Suppose that's right. Scum have to leave conftown alive in exchange. Worry if SS dies without mastina.

2) Great, then tell me what happened day one?

1) Fair enough
2) Can you be more specific?

[mastina]

Mastina's a lot more self-righteous as town. Like as either alignment she'll argue how absolutely. completely. ridiculous. it is that anyone could possibly scumread her, but when she's town she focuses less on reasons and more on the fact that her towniness ought to be self-evident. That and the bodyguard claim doesn't strike me as a scum mastina fakeclaim.

Not quite. Your definition of self-righteousness might be different than mine because to me self-righteousness involves knowing that I have the high ground of me telling the truth, of me not lying, of me having genuineness on my side, and while I do this as both alignments that is a tool that is more beneficial to scumastina.

Additionally, when I am scum there's no "absolutely completely ridiculous someone could possibly scumread me"; as scum, I have a serenity to it because yeah I'm scum, know I'm scum, so can't call something ridiculous when I know it's true--so that? That is something that's actually pretty damn compelling evidence that I am town.

That having been said, the rest of the analysis is in fact accurate--less on the reasons more on the ought to be self-evident, along with bodyguard not being a fucking fakeclaim.

[Firebringer]

woah titus made a good point.

fine if SS dies while mastina is alive, we kill her.
Fine we can move onto someone else.

btw literally no one gets to come back tomorrow when SS is dead and gets to say mastina was fake claiming town.

[MariaR]

Doesn't a roleblocker solve this issue? Whatever it still would get mastina lynched so no biggie.
Also yes.

[mastina]

I agree, but I haven't seen her talk as much as I'm used to about godtier scumastina when she's town.

I talk about godtier scumastina when, and ONLY when, someone else mentions it first, pretty much. Or alludes to it at least. Like someone saying "mastina's not this incompetent as town", I might retort "mastina's not this incompetent as scum" for instance.

[Formerfish]

woah titus made a good point.

fine if SS dies while mastina is alive, we kill her.
Fine we can move onto someone else.

This makes sense.

VOTE: Unvote

[mastina]

Yeh I know that's the counterargument but in my recent experience with her (anime uPick is the first one I remember) she uses self meta to defend herself and is usually about scumastina.

And that happens usually after someone has called my towngame as being my scumgame.

Here people haven't really been calling my towngame my scumgame; they've just been saying I'm scum without saying it's my scumgame. Mostly.

It sounds like semantics but the difference is actually pretty damn vital.

[MariaR]

Who do you want dead now Titus? I can give you a list in return

[mastina]

Only I think that because of the WIFOM involved in "too scummy to be scum" scum totally can be down to just do it anyway and try to get by off that. And I think that governor is something scum would particularly want to have because it lets them dictate a lynch potentially.

I would lean towards saying that if someone is playing openly anti-town you should just lynch them hard and early every game that they do that in. I see no reason to let someone actively work towards the other team's wincon stay in the game. If you like socialising with them, cool, there are spaces where they can express their personality outside of games in other places in the forum. I think playing like that in game should be punished because it's actively fucking things up for everyone else.

Incidentally, this is the same reason that I think that lolhammers on town should nearly always be lynched the next day. If you don't do it, then scum can get away with doing it because it becomes something to just be shrugged off/tolerated.

In fact, I don't really love that fb has had as much of a pass on this as he's had, the more I think about it. If he's scum, would he potentially not make a deal on the fruit, hide behind the too scummy to be scum/oh that's just fb logic, and then put forward a bunch of town that would be lynchable, knowing that we couldn't lynch him until lylo anyway, and trusting in his ability to stir up paranoia about us losing the game if he's lynched in lylo to try and spin it elsewhere.

:goodposting:

[Titus]

Who do you want dead now Titus? I can give you a list in return

PB and Krazy are the ones I want that can survive being goverened.