Mini 2097 - Make Me Regret This Game Over

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what's wrong with TL/EP deciding to bus after realising that one of them was going down today for sure?

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VOTE: Elbirn
He scumslipped in twilight. Thinking this could be scummates with mastina. fwiw I see him voting mastina there as an acknowledgement of his scumslip and it looks like they are trying to distance for damage control.

Are you talking about 695?

Yes, he is. What do you think of that post?

I don't see the slip he's talking about.

Yet you were immediately able to identify the post that the slip may have occurred in if that's what it is?

Hell of a lucky guess there, EP.

Ok, you're purposely being obtuse here. eth0s said it happened at twilight, which means end of day + the post was taking to mastina.

I stand by my stance that it doesn't look like a scumslip.

there were twenty posts by elbirn in twilight, yet you instantly singled out the one that we were talking about?

have you actually explained why you don't think it could be a scumslip

fwiw I'm not persuaded either, but why are you just asserting "nah, don't think it is" rather than trying to actually explain why you think it's not a scum slip?

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Spoiler:

I asked you to provide justification for why people should TR you. You said "yeah, I have been scummy, but at least I'm not bothered by the fact I look scummy" as if that's actually a meaningful defence. It rings especially hollow given past experience with you: town!you is much more paranoid about people scumreading them being scum (see: EP v cinnamon in Pokemon ruby for anyone interested). Why would I not tunnel again? It's entirely plausible I'd do either, especially considering how far tunnelling got me last game. The fact that you're not even acting suspicious of me when town!you should be wondering if this might be in bad faith is you perspective slipping that you know I'm town pushing you. So instead of trying to push me back, you're trying to just sell me on town!you.

Other than that, your ISO is terrible. What have you done all game? You've done nothing. The whole ISO is filled with IIOA. You've asked a few empty questions to make it look like you're doing something, but otherwise your play has been completely devoid of substance. You asked Korina questions and then did nothing in terms of engaging with him re: the answers, you just voted him.

You have 30 posts and at best, one of them is game advancing. When you've been called on it, instead of actually scum hunting you've just made excuses. Now I'm very confident that that's newb!scum scum play because, surprise, that's exactly what I've done before and I've been caught for it too. Mastina literally caught me for the exact same thing in Can't Remember the Name of this Game, and so I can only assume she's SRing you now for the same reasons she SR me there.

Now you're trying to redirect away from yourself by getting the focus onto elements and eth0s.

I'm engaging with you while also asking about your reads. Calling that redirection is disingenuous.

The fact that you would rather attack than explain your read on eth0s or Elements is also concerning.

lmao, now that I've called you out on not being paranoid about scum!me if you were actually town, you've started doing it because you think that's the behaviour you should be showing as town

we're gonna lynch you so hard today EP

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@Mena I also asked for your Elements case before you dropped your EP!case, so that's another point in favour of a disingenuous accusation.

nice try, but I'd already made it pretty clear that you'd moved up to my top SR while I was reconsidering the game overnight, so even if I hadn't explicitly posted my case on you it was clearly forthcoming from my posts before your request that I drop the elements case

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Can you at least tell me why you think EP vs Mena is t/s because I am probably biased from my neighborhood but I don't understand how mena can be scum based on their interactions. If you're talking about his wagon hopping he told me in our PT he was only going to vote Elbirn for a bit to help me pressure him. And honestly I'm kind of upset he jumped ship so fast but I don't really blame him or see it as a scummy move.

yeah, I'm sorry about that, I still think elbirn could be scum maybe

EP's instant identification of what the scumslip was out of like 20 posts makes me think elbirn could have realised the slip afterwards and talked about it in the PT -- like how do you notice something as being a scumslip immediately but then claim that you don't see what makes it scummy?

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On day 1 I did not like the way how Son of Shepherd and Elements played and I think one of them is scum. I'll have to take a look at them again.

I have some news for you

lmao

also, adorable, could you tell me if you've played with eth0s before please?

and also @adorable, what about my play makes you think scum!me would be worried about getting on jjh's bad side?

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Should I be claiming here? It's a bit hard to gauge how serious the push is.

@eth0s you're going to be vital in me proving my claim btw. You probably know why.

literally, have I done anything to make you think this is not a serious push?

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Should I be claiming here?

ffs. Can you just put some effort into the game instead of jumping straight into a claim when you haven't given people a reason to like you

Point taken.

Ok here's what I've got. I admittedly haven't been as obvtown as I normally am, but if you look at my ISO, you'll see natural progressions on reads + a good faith effort to sort the Korina fiasco.

If you look at TL, on the other hand, you see inconsistent reasons for voting Korina. At one point he votes for jjh saying a flub=/= scum claim, but then he later says the flub makes Korina look like he was flailing.

Then when you add in the fact that TL just hopped on my bandwagon and has deflected my most recent question, you have yourself a strong case on TL trying to set up mislynches.

VOTE: TL

where are these natural progressions? show me the posts. show me the progressions.

where is the good faith attempt to sort Korina? I see you ask him four questions that he answers, not do anything with those answers, and then vote him.

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Friendly reminder to everyone that EP's early play is likely more AI than his play here.

scum under pressure are of course going to try and look like they're sorting/solving when we're headed towards lynching them. everything I mentioned about EP's early game being atrocious is still true, and about it being out of character for town!him in a major way

also he's misrepping about his early day content to try and make himself look townier. look at how he actually interacts with kori. there is not a good faith effort there to sort. where are the natural progressions he's talking about?

seriously, show me where they are and I'll reconsider

but you can't, because they don't exist, and you're trying to fabricate them because you're scum who's under pressure to come up with something or get lynched

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readslist:

adorable- town read
eth0s
mastina - town leans
TD

chem - null line

jjh, elements - null scum

TL, elbirn - actual scum
EP

[Chemist1422]

Wait has my slot just not posted

[eth0s]

feeling really uninterested in the EP wagon unless a certain thing happens. That's not to say I won't eventually vote for him I don't feel comfortable moving my vote yet. I like what Mena is saying though.

[eth0s]

Wait has my slot just not posted

correct

[Chemist1422]

Wait has my slot just not posted

correct

ok then

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Alright so question

Did mastina actually have a PT with Adorable at the start of the game

Because if not I think their first post was scummy in how deliberately “random” it was

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Can you at least tell me why you think EP vs Mena is t/s because I am probably biased from my neighborhood but I don't understand how mena can be scum based on their interactions. If you're talking about his wagon hopping he told me in our PT he was only going to vote Elbirn for a bit to help me pressure him. And honestly I'm kind of upset he jumped ship so fast but I don't really blame him or see it as a scummy move.

yeah, I'm sorry about that, I still think elbirn could be scum maybe

EP's instant identification of what the scumslip was out of like 20 posts makes me think elbirn could have realised the slip afterwards and talked about it in the PT -- like how do you notice something as being a scumslip immediately but then claim that you don't see what makes it scummy?

There's a difference between identifying a post that someone thinks might be a slip + deciding if that post is in fact a slip. I have done the former, but disagree on the latter.

You're conflating the two and basing some of your scum!EP case on my ability to read the thread and process posts contextually.

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Alright so question

Did mastina actually have a PT with Adorable at the start of the game

Because if not I think their first post was scummy in how deliberately “random” it was

Yes they did

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Should I be claiming here?

ffs. Can you just put some effort into the game instead of jumping straight into a claim when you haven't given people a reason to like you

Point taken.

Ok here's what I've got. I admittedly haven't been as obvtown as I normally am, but if you look at my ISO, you'll see natural progressions on reads + a good faith effort to sort the Korina fiasco.

If you look at TL, on the other hand, you see inconsistent reasons for voting Korina. At one point he votes for jjh saying a flub=/= scum claim, but then he later says the flub makes Korina look like he was flailing.

Then when you add in the fact that TL just hopped on my bandwagon and has deflected my most recent question, you have yourself a strong case on TL trying to set up mislynches.

VOTE: TL

where are these natural progressions? show me the posts. show me the progressions.

where is the good faith attempt to sort Korina? I see you ask him four questions that he answers, not do anything with those answers, and then vote him.

Read my ISO and see for yourself.

Can you honestly say that my vote on Korina looks less genuine than TL? You're lying to yourself if you do.

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Should I be claiming here? It's a bit hard to gauge how serious the push is.

@eth0s you're going to be vital in me proving my claim btw. You probably know why.

literally, have I done anything to make you think this is not a serious push?

Just because it's serious to you doesn't mean it's serious to everyone else.

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I have read your ISO multiple times and I’m not seeing it. So show me, or it doesn’t exist.

P sure that the various other people on your wagon disagree!

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HAHAHA I just realized we are missing an entire slot. And I'm not even talking about Mastina. Go check the first post. jesus fucking christ

Yeah, that would be why momo is a townread.

Gamma didn't notice that momo was absent. If momo was scum, then his scumbuddies would've told the mod about his absence, asking for him to be replaced. Gamma not having done so is evidence that momo is probably lacking said scumbuddies.

Not gonna lie I checked the player list when ethos posted 602 and I still had no idea what he was talking about momo is so ghost

I guess I'll take a free conf-town in exchange for whatever the hell korina did today

My interpretation of this post:

He's saying that everyone not realizing momo is afk means she's likely not scum. If she were scum, the mod (Gamma) would have been notified by momo's scum buddies.

I believe ppl who think it's a scumslip are misinterpreting what he means by "free conf-town." They're likely thinking he means a free lynch on conf!town Korina, but if you read the whole post, you'll see that the implication of his post is that he's happy momo is now conf!town.

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I guess you didn't read my explanation at all

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HAHAHA I just realized we are missing an entire slot. And I'm not even talking about Mastina. Go check the first post. jesus fucking christ

Yeah, that would be why momo is a townread.

Gamma didn't notice that momo was absent. If momo was scum, then his scumbuddies would've told the mod about his absence, asking for him to be replaced. Gamma not having done so is evidence that momo is probably lacking said scumbuddies.

Not gonna lie I checked the player list when ethos posted 602 and I still had no idea what he was talking about momo is so ghost

I guess I'll take a free conf-town in exchange for whatever the hell korina did today

My interpretation of this post:

He's saying that everyone not realizing momo is afk means she's likely not scum. If she were scum, the mod (Gamma) would have been notified by momo's scum buddies.

I believe ppl who think it's a scumslip are misinterpreting what he means by "free conf-town." They're likely thinking he means a free lynch on conf!town Korina, but if you read the whole post, you'll see that the implication of his post is that he's happy momo is now conf!town.

My interpretation of the slip was that he knew Korina was town but I haven’t read into the context

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And I don't understand why you are questioning whether the push is serious or not when you were just wanting to claim your role after a few votes

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And chemist gets the cookie