Mini 2097 - Make Me Regret This Game Over

[Chemist1422]

And chemist gets the cookie

ooh cookies

[EspressoPatronum]

@Mena

Spoiler: EP's Korina progression

I agree that Korina was acting a bit weird at the beginning, but I don't like eth0s' vote there.

I did some digging on potential options for a pride flag flavour claim

+ don't like some of the possibilities for Korina's role.

That’s an odd thing to say. How exactly would you even do research? How do you think your research could be in any way reliable?

I searched 'negative utility' roles in the Mafiascum wiki. The wiki lists all roles and their general impact on town, so I'm pretty happy with its reliability.

At this point, I was fairly sure he was softing Princess or Flagbearer. He confirmed Flagbearer shortly after I posted this.

@Korina, you have a negative utility role that doesn't activate its negative utility until after today. In addition, there's a chance (be it small or large, it doesn't really matter) that you're just scum lying.

On the latter point, your posting, activity, and tone here are within the scum range you demonstrated in your Newbie game with Mena.

In my eyes,

the only reason not to lynch you today is to maintain your neighbourhood power

. It's definitely a great power, but

I'm not yet sure if it's worth keeping over the risk your role poses to the town.

Here's some specific comments/questions re your power, but feel free to add anything else that comes to mind:
1. I'm not sure I fully appreciate the strength of your power for town. It's great that we get personalized neighbourhoods, but is that it?
2. I recall you mentioning something about a modifier or something... can you remind me?
3. I can't shake the concern of scum!you having access to the PTs.
4. How do we best utilize the PTs?

If you look at the core of my concern, it's that EVEN if I completely accept town!Korina, he's still a worthwhile lynch if his Flagbearer role doesn't activate D1. To clarify, I was happy with the lynch

regardless of his alignment

, as I saw the cost outweighing the benefit.
With that in mind, the only answer that mattered for my vote was Korina's answer to #1. His answer didn't convince me that the neighbourhood power was a better benefit than the cost of the Flagbearer power.

To pile onto that, we still had no way of knowing if he was town or scum.

I haven't looked at the VC, so consider my vote on Korina once I double check tomorrow. He was pretty committed to the negative utility of his role + the backpedaling is a big red flag for me.

I'd also like to hear from a few others before we push the lynch through.

It looked even worse for him after he retracted the Flagbearer claim. I saw (and still see) no reason for town to lie about having such a terrible role. I figured he was either scum lying, or he I'm fact had the Flagbearer role + was trying to avoid getting lynched. Neither was worth keeping.

VOTE: Korina

L-1

And then I finalized my stance.

[EspressoPatronum]

And I don't understand why you are questioning whether the push is serious or not when you were just wanting to claim your role after a few votes

I recently got hammered by accident, so I'm a little paranoid about getting too close to L-1.

[EspressoPatronum]

I guess you didn't read my explanation at all

You're right. I didn't see it.

I don't understand how not knowing momo was in the game could be considered a slip

No. It's like you knew that Korina was going to flip town. If you had any reason to think Korina might not flip red then why would you think that getting a "conftown" was a good trade off for Korina's death?

Ah, so the slip is a TMI. I'm going to check something in Elbirn's ISO:

If he implied he was comfortable lynching Korina regardless of Korina's alignment, then I don't think this can be a slip. If he implied he was only comfortable lynching Korina if Korina was scum, then this could actually be a slip.

Also the reasoning by Mastina for momo being conftown is laughable and especially ironic when coming from Mastina who was able to post nothing for 75+ hours and never prodded (at least to the rest of the game's knowledge).

So to a lesser degree it also feels like you took that "conftown" at face value much more than any town should.

Yeah, perhaps conf!town is a bit strong... I agree that it makes Momo/Chemist more likely to be town though.

[EspressoPatronum]

Re my above post:

The only sensible way that kind of shit would work is hurting everyone after dying

Meanwhile Korina is somehow trying to push through that claiming part of a scum role makes him conftown

So flagbearer korina dying should hit everyone for 1 point of damage, I can agree with that. I don't see how that makes him scum. He never claimed anything contradictory, just said that he has no knowledge of how his flagbearer role works because its "modified", and I get that's kinda sketch but....???

Alright fine, I’ll admit it then. I lied about flagbearer. I used it to try to flush out scum. It worked. jjh took the bait so hard, it’s not even funny.

What is Korina at, votewise?

It's actually hard to tell if Elbirn was going to hammer + what the intentions would have been.

I'm not sure if this helps answer the scum slip question.

[Adorable]

On day 1 I did not like the way how Son of Shepherd and Elements played and I think one of them is scum. I'll have to take a look at them again.

I have some news for you

lmao

also, adorable, could you tell me if you've played with eth0s before please?

and also @adorable, what about my play makes you think scum!me would be worried about getting on jjh's bad side?

I have played with ethos before.

On day 1 you were scum reading jjh, jjh started to scum read you and then your read changed on him. I still couldn't get a good read on jjh on day 1 so I thought if jjh really is town, I was thinking scum were going to buddy jjh. Your play on day 1 looked towny and then after the Korina hammer, I had to put you on the null list when I saw your read changed on jjh since I wasn't sure if you were town who actually scum read jjh or if you were scum who didn't want to get on jjh bad side for scum reading him. I have my moments when I scum read a player for a few days and it takes a while for me to change my reads.

[eth0s]

The thing is no one should be worried about getting on jjh's bad side after day one. We saw how far lynching his deathtunnel got us so I think sheeping jjh should seem like a pretty bad idea going forward lol

[jjh927]

You have not seen me deathtunnel

My main contribution to Korina's lynch was uncovering his lie and adding pressure upon pressure. Well over half the playerlist would have lynched there, and I was not pushing a quick lynch. It was Korina who both figuratively and literally caused that chain of events. It is worth noting that I am generally speaking very good at catching people when they lie about their role. It is a thing that I do. I don't really think anyone who believed his flagbearer claim even after he owned up to the lie should be in any place to criticise my play.

The only reason I'm not concerned by your general approach to how that lynch went down is because I think you actually believe the stuff you're saying and it is a coherent perspective. Otherwise that combination of discrediting me while getting town points off of your generally awful defence of Korina that pretty much ignored alignment would be quite concerning indeed.

[Elbirn]

Alright so question

Did mastina actually have a PT with Adorable at the start of the game

Because if not I think their first post was scummy in how deliberately “random” it was

Would anyone like to point me in a direction, give me a gentle pat on the ass and watch me go?

Because I'm having a hard time engaging when it seems like so much of the """content""" today is people insisting that I'm scum because of a """slip""" that I know isn't one because I'm me.

[Elbirn]

Ah, I didnt mean to multiquote that. Classic me, good job.

Yeah chemist I'm pretty sure mastina always fake claims masons with someone or something, but they were in a hood together

[mastina]

Mastina you have the best GTKAS page but it’s gonna take me literally days to get through it all I think

Oh right, meant to get to this before. Menalque, if you think that's daunting, just try and read my blog some time.

It is a (theoretically) daily blog, which has been going since mid October of 2014 (so, we're coming up on the fifth anniversary of my blog). To this day, I've never seen anyone successfully bingeread the entire blog from start to finish. Heck, even *I* have tried, and I failed like...a year or so of the way in, it's just so damn long that I don't think it's humanly possible for anyone to commit to reading it start to finish. They'll start, think they can do it, then peter out like a few months later having not even gotten half-way through in part because in order to catch up since the blog is being written every day (unless I forget or am indisposed) and can have multiple entries for a single day, they'd have to read like...oh, I dunno, like...seven entries every single day, minimum, to stand so much of a chance of reading it start to finish.

Is literally the best way to get to know me tho because I go into my thoughts a LOT on there.

On that note, got some material from the PT, not much but some. To keep this post skippable as a fluffpost tho, will save it for next post.

[mastina]

Things I wanted to say yesterday but couldn't due to the threadlock which remain vaguely relevant:

We’re doing jjh tomorrow just so we’re clear

You'll have to night kill me first, mate.

Regardless of Korina's alignment, jjh is town here. This is his town game.

Doubly so in the inevitable scumflip we have incoming.

I'm never lynching jjh and

I will hard resist any effort you make on that front.

You’d have to have a presence in the thread to do that mastina

Tbf I’m not sure about jjh scum now, waiting on the flip. I do think that his progression during his interaction with me was a little odd (could be pocketing?) and that his push on kori was bad assuming kori!town, which again, is the only normal thing I think to do here in twilight

Thread presence will exist tomorrow.

The only reason it didn't exist today has been remedied, so.

I think you should be TRing me based on meta

Also you town read momo?

You're close to being a townread, but aren't there for a couple of reasons. I want to explain, but am short on time. I'll do it tomorrow if I live.

jjh
Adorable
momo
TD

Menalque

ethos

Espresso/Elements (I think one, but not both, of them are scum, but I can't tell which)

Elbirn

TL

This is about where I am at readswise.

[mastina]

One of Menalque/EP prob scum here, every time I unvote TL I hate myself though .

Yeah, that would be EP. Go and look at his ISO. Go look at mine. Come back. Vote for him.

Honestly?

Sure, why not.

VOTE: EspressoPatronum.

[Elbirn]

Oh good you're going to actually play instead of just pretending you are

[mastina]

Oh good you're going to actually play instead of just pretending you are

Mostly, yeah.
I mean right now there's not much for me to play with, because most of the town is more or less on the same page, thinking there's probably 1-3 (average opinion of 2, thinking it's not all three, with some thinking it's only one and some thinking it's all three but most agreeing it's probably 2) scum in {Elements, Elbirn, EspressoPatronum}.

I agree with that assessment.

So I don't really have a need to push much right now because there's not a big fight I think is TvT (the worst I've seen is skirmishes) and there's not a big wagon on someone I think is town and there is a reasonable wagon on someone I think is scum, so to be honest my engagement right now isn't at the highest possible level but that's mostly because frankly it just doesn't need to be, right now.

It'll be higher when it's required tho, can guarantee that.

[eth0s]

ew

[eth0s]

Okay I would probably compromise lynch mastina over TD today

[Elbirn]

Okay I would probably compromise lynch mastina over TD today

Why?

[eth0s]

Basically everything she just said has already been said by others and it looks like she is trying to make up for her lack of content by posting more hollow "content". Also putting me as a nullread feels like scum!korina either setting me up for a NK or na/stubborn!korina refuses to put me up higher just because I have been calling her out for her BS this game (and will continue to do so).

All she said today other than listing me as a nullread is something someone else has said and it sounds like she just wants to coast by. That's a pretty decent place in the EP wagon for scum to jump in and she did it anyway when she has 2 people she finds scummier than EP. One of them being you (Elbirn) who actually appears to have a decent chance at being lynched.

[eth0s]

Also putting me as a nullread feels like scum!mastina

either setting me up for a NK

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edit^

damn those "ina" names

[eth0s]

wait what the fuck did I do there

[eth0s]

feels like scum!

mastina

either setting me up for a NK or na/stubborn!

mastina

^ there we go

[Elbirn]

jjh
Adorable
momo
TD

Menalque

ethos

Espresso/Elements (I think one, but not both, of them are scum, but I can't tell which)

Elbirn

TL

This is about where I am at readswise.

I mean right now there's not much for me to play with, because most of the town is more or less on the same page, thinking there's probably 1-3 (average opinion of 2, thinking it's not all three, with some thinking it's only one and some thinking it's all three but most agreeing it's probably 2) scum in {Elements, Elbirn, EspressoPatronum}.

I agree with that assessment.

Where did your TL scumread go

[Elbirn]

Actually, no. Post 864 isn't even you calling the scum team and idk how to read. It's you looking at three names and saying "one or all of these are scum", an exercise which can be performed with any three names drawn from a hat and have about the same meaning. My bad.

I would still like to know why you're not voting TL if they're your top scumread

[schadd_]

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