yesIn post 7074, Formerfish wrote:Is this another way of saying that you dont think i would play this way as scum?In post 7070, the worst wrote:Formerfish - exhibited an emotional range which I think his moral compass kicks him for exhibiting as scum.
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Suppose Fire's town, what are your reads?
I think I'd be ok pushing pops here.
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I don't think you'd struggle to achieve this ISO as scum. I just don't think you'd do it.
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Because this is my fucking towngame and is literally night and fucking day between my towngame and my scumgame--this is not even remotely similar to ANY scumgame I've played. Go ahead, try and name a scumgame of mine that I've played, compared to this game, and we'll go ahead and dissect it. It'll be transparent as fuck though that the scumastina of that game is NOTHING like the mastina of this game.In post 6878, Krazy wrote:I'm sorry but why is mastina town?- Titus
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Mastina, stop arguing with Krazy and join us on pops. Getting red blood on your hands would help change his mind more than any vote.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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her tunnels are becoming more realistic and her self meta isn't total shit, sounds like town. has she reevaluated reads tangibly? can't be bothered checking. that's a good tell. my single reservation is ankamius not townreading her.- popsofctown
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Both Fires govern it. This is Firebringer. He's crazy.In post 7071, the worst wrote:In post 7067, Titus wrote: If pops is a mislynch scum!Fire let's it through"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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It's totally worth binning her as town based on the role.In post 7081, the worst wrote:her tunnels are becoming more realistic and her self meta isn't total shit, sounds like town. has she reevaluated reads tangibly? can't be bothered checking. that's a good tell. my single reservation is ankamius not townreading her.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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The fire I knew wasn't that egocentric but I was gone for awhile.In post 7082, popsofctown wrote:
Both Fires govern it. This is Firebringer. He's crazy.In post 7071, the worst wrote:In post 7067, Titus wrote: If pops is a mislynch scum!Fire let's it throughShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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I actually keep forgetting her role but still townread her. yeah that's a big thing at a mechanical level too. not really interested in evaluating heavily and I think I have valuable enough tells if I need to make a decision on her on the fly.
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It's optimal scum play to govern anyway, it means you burn tomorrow's lynch lynching me instead of lynching scum.In post 7084, Titus wrote:
The fire I knew wasn't that egocentric but I was gone for awhile.In post 7082, popsofctown wrote:
Both Fires govern it. This is Firebringer. He's crazy.In post 7071, the worst wrote:In post 7067, Titus wrote: If pops is a mislynch scum!Fire let's it through
The crazy side is town!Firebringer doing it, you realize that right?"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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If I were a doctor I'd be claiming fucking doctor.In post 6880, Krazy wrote:
Like, it's entirely plausible she's a scum doctor given the game has a vig, especially if the scum is informed there's a town gunsmith.In post 6628, popsofctown wrote:Could he let me know if you make an anti-town outing of your role on D2's just to reduce your lynch equity as town? Because that's a lot of my problem with your slot.
I don't change my roleclaim as scum from one role to another.
I don't even change roleblocker into jailkeeper.
I don't even leave out details from my claim.
Literally will claim it almost exactly. The only changes I make are literally alignment-required ones, e.g. changing Disloyal to Loyal out of necessity (because if I claimed Disloyal as scum when being a scum Disloyal, it'd be a scumclaim once my role worked on town, obv).
Doctor-->Bodyguard is in no fucking way shape nor form an alignment-required change.
Serial killers aren't scum and never have been. Any third party role is town to me even if they can't win with the town; my stance on this has been widely known and established and is a traceable fact. Try again.In post 6880, Krazy wrote:As anyone can observe, she tells things similar to the truth as scum but skews them, like claiming vig as serial killer etc.
Then why have mechanics been one of the things I've most noted about your scumgames.In post 6880, Krazy wrote:I actually barely discuss mechanics as scum, in fact I think that's one of my bigger weaknesses
That was not the issue with that game. There was no "mech" to get a grip on, not really anyway. There was a different problem at hand.In post 6880, Krazy wrote:And you know this given we dropped out of a game where we never actually got anything resembling a grip on the mech of the setup
This is not a defense; this is not an accusation; this is nothing but an attempted discredit of me.In post 6880, Krazy wrote:"BLAH BLAH BLAH IN EICN I THOUGHT YOU WERE THE OTHER HEAD"
You keep using that as a whiny piece of shit defense Mastina and you of all people maybe would have recognized that if you're going to fucking scumread me MAYBE you should talk TO me first rather than at me given how AWFUL you read was that game, which YOU YOURSELF admit
So if your read is so fucking awful on me when we're both town, why would you continue to HIDE behind your shitty reads rather than getting better at reading me?
To the contrary: if you think I give a shit, you don't know me at all.In post 6880, Krazy wrote:Given you know this is my last game on site, there's no fucking way you would be blowing your last game on me with a shit tunnel unless you were scum.
Scum. are. scum.
You are my friend, yes.
But I don't give a shit about a friendship in a game when I am scumreading you. Because if you are scum, then it is my wincon to lynch you, friendship be damned. I have EVERY fucking reason to believe you are scum and none to believe you are town. So last game on site be damned, I don't give a fuck. If you're scum, you need to be lynched, period, end of discussion.
Emotional manipulation like this simply doesn't work on me. I'm too much of an asshole to bend to such appeals. And if you knew ANYTHING about my play you'd know that's why I'm town this game because scumastina is nice, does care, doesn't want to hurt people but as town I don't give a fuck about hurting people, I fucking ate a warning because of my utter lack of care.
Then your point is flat-out outright wrong because I was neither lazy nor bad in EICN and engaging you more heavily wouldn't have caused me to figure out which head you were unless you flat-out outright said "mastina, you've got the heads backwards". That's literally what it'd have taken for me to have gotten it that game--no engagement level, higher or lower, would've changed my assessment, my guess. The only way I would've gotten it is if you outright told me I had the right idea but was backwards on which head I thought was which. Yet that wasn't lazy; that wasn't bad; that was something which was misguided off of a premise which was mostly correct but which I made a slight miscalculation on.In post 6880, Krazy wrote:That's not changing my narrative, that's observing reality. If you weren't playing lazily and badly in EICN, you would have engaged me enough to figure out which head I was. Saying "I didn't know which head he was" doesn't deny my point, it IS my point
Then I repeat. How come I've seen it from you as scum but not really seen it from you as town.In post 6880, Krazy wrote:Which if you've ever played with me you'd know basically exclusively fucking comes from my towngame- mastina
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Try and find the last time the town, who was suspecting scumastina earlier in the game, left her alive to lylo and she endgamed the town.In post 6901, popsofctown wrote:I am a little concerned about whether people would be willing to remember and whether our town is strong this game
I mean, I'm sure a game like that exists.
It has to have.
It's got to.
But frankly it must have happened a LONG time ago because frankly I just outright don't remember the last time something like that actually happened? Like...maybe it was Rogue One, long ago. Rogue One was two and a half years ago. January 2017. I legitimately think that might be the last time the scenario you described actually happened, where the town suspected scumastina earlier in the game and I endgamed the town in lylo.
Legit don't think there's a newer scumgame where that has happened.
There's been scumgames where I wasn't suspected and ended up endgaming;
There's been scumgames where I was suspected and ate the lynch.
But I legit don't think there's any newer scumgame than that where I was suspected early and ended up endgaming the town.
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Encore was a thing but I don't think we really suspected you. Your other scumbuds were in the spotlight too much.- Something_Smart
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I really don't like this leashing... like I said I don't think I'm the best kill since there are other townies that are not going to be mislynched and are stronger players than me
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Pretty much, yes--he fucking knows me well enough to know that's not a shift in claim I make. I claimed bodyguard because that's my fucking role. He could argue I'm a scum bodyguard (even though that's a troll role and not the sort of role Pine would really want, but I digress), fair enough. It'd be painfully obvious I'm town anyway because this is my towngame through and through, but arguing I'm a scum bodyguard would at least be PLAUSIBLY something scumastina would do even if it's something that self-evidently I didn't do.In post 6903, Titus wrote:Ok. Pops is scum. Krazy speculating scum doctor also doesn't sit well with me.
Arguing "she could be a scum doctor fakeclaiming bodyguard" is, rather specifically, an argument which appeals to people who don't know me intimately as something that sounds plausible to those who lack extensive mastina knowledge, but which utterly falls apart as so much as a possible narrative to those who have the level of experience with me that Krazy has.- Titus
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Mastina, help me lynch pops and I'll vig Krazy if I am the vig.
You're obsessing on Krazy and it gives scum an easy route to paint you badly.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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The problem with this is that my claims don't haveIn post 6909, Krazy wrote:She doesn't have to be scum doctor. But she claimed protective, andmastina's claims usually have some vestige of truth.somevestige of truth; my claims are pretty much almost exclusively 100% the truth.
The closest I've ever gotten to lying about my role is the original MBoS game where I basically claimed responsibility for the worst's action, which I as scum was informed of. (Basically, think like a Janitor claiming the role of someone they cleaned up--the scum knows it won't be counterclaimed and knows the role was in the setup in the manner described so it's a scum safeclaim, pretty much. As an EpicMafia player, obviously, yes, I would claim the role of a person I janitored as a scum janitor so yes, I would makethattype of lie but that sort of lie would be literally gamethrowing tonotmake, so.)
The closest I've ever gotten to so much as lying about a result is RPG Mafia, where I talked my way out of a guilty result on me by lying about the result I got from my upgraded role after I had the guilty result on me. (Basically, I argued that through some redirection action, I was redirected to roleblock the person who targeted me with a Loyal action, after the guilty had been claimed. I got away with it because the game mod had, legitimately, fucked up on my role result that game so I was able to, legitimately, claim, "the mod only now sent me my result" and that wasn't a lie; I've got the PMs to prove I didn't lie about the mod only later sending the result after the guilty claim, the only lie was in the claimed result which I shifted as to make the guilty not be a guilty but literally any player would do the same thing in my shoes because no fucking duh if you have essentially a cop guilty on you, you try and find the way to craft the result which makes it not a cop guilty.)
There was one game, a Mini, a Normal, where I outright told a lie.
One scumgame, in my entire scum career, where I told an outright falsehood.
Once, and only that once.
All other times my claim has beenexactlymy role.
Not something with "some visage of truth".
Something which wasexactlytrue.
Exact role, exact results.
And every scumgame.
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I am playing like a bodyguard and if you saw someone playing bodyguard who WASN'T playing like I am, then it was THEM not playing like a fucking bodyguard, not me.In post 6974, popsofctown wrote:I don't really think mastina has been playing like a bodyguard.
I have recently seen someone playing like a bodyguard.
You absolutely should and here's why.In post 6974, popsofctown wrote: The thing is.. you should not gloat about having made NK analysis hard for the town as town.
Because if someone dies during the night and the town is continuously reviewing their iso, they are more likely to be critically analyzing it.
If NK analysis is just "oh mastina died due to a successful bg protect and here's who she protected", then they never bat an eye towards my iso again--no critical analysis of it is ever made, they just move on with the game and never look at it again.
Bam.
That simple.
Tell me. Is it better for people to never look at your iso ever again, or is it better for people to always be reviewing your iso and critically analyzing it after you die?
The former happens when NKA is unambiguously "mastina died due to a successful protect"; the latter happens when NKA is hard due to being ambiguous and people being unable to tell if it was a successful protection or just a direct nightkill (even though I personally would know it was a successful protection).
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The game's been in two camps ever since D1 when the LLD debate began; I called it a distraction scum wanted then and it has continued every day phase since then, divided up to be...well, just about the same players on both sides pretty much as was on D1.In post 6975, Titus wrote:@Ali, The game appears to be devolving into two camps. Agree or disagree?- popsofctown
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