Mini 2097 - Make Me Regret This Game Over

[jjh927]

You have anything or anyone you wanna talk about, Chemist?

[Chemist1422]

You have anything or anyone you wanna talk about, Chemist?

Not really

If I get a chance I'll try to catch up fully but I don't think my attention span can handle that

So I'm kinda just pointing out things as I see them

[jjh927]

I mean you can ask me shit if you want

[Chemist1422]

Nah I think I’m good but thanks

[TiphaineDeath]

How many votes were on elbirn as of 858? Cause if it's not that many he's pretty lock-scum.

[jjh927]

What's the point you're trying to make? Please remember that this is a day for good posting

[TiphaineDeath]

The content today, as far as I have noticed, has not really been about elbirn or a scumslip by him. That post says it is. It is demonstrating self-consciousness and possibly also blatant incorrectness. If, I'ma say, 3 or less votes on him as off that post, he scum.

[jjh927]

Maybe you should reread the previous few pages, possibly doing a ctrl f on slip

[TiphaineDeath]

Huh, you're not wrong, maybe the lack of votes doesn't make him scum. But with all that slip talk it's still wierd AF, probablly makes someone scum, not who yet though, I'll figure it out. I want a VC.

[jjh927]

How come you're not excited by my TL push anyway

[eth0s]

Here's the thing with TL's response to jjh:
It's the exact kind of response I would expect him to say based on my prior game with him (where, again, we were both town). TL has this weird way of fitting every buzzword in the book into his posts even when they don't make sense given the context. He also did weird things in that game like

-Somehow supporting the point I was making while misrepping said point

so it's really hard for me to say if this approach to the game (which I would normally consider scummy by other players) makes me see scum!TL.

Like I said, in our last game rather than defend himself he just declared OMGUS on people that attacked him, flailed like crazy, and then eventually claimed his PR instead of ever putting up a good defense.

This isn't to say that I think TL would just play a super towny and different game as scum, I fail to see how that would really make sense. But I reflected on how my last game with him progressed and I genuinely think that PoE would be the thing to fuck him in a scum game. Seeing a red flip in my game with him was the turning point in me feeling like I didn't

have

to lynch him anymore because the flip associations made me realize he didn't have to be scum. I don't know his scum game, and honestly I can't be bothered to go dig one up at the moment, but I fail to see how scum!his playstyle would work when it's basically him and 1/2 other people against any semblance of a townbloc. Inevitably he is going to dig himself a hole, right? Honestly I think he already kind of has based on the case jjh has presented against him but I'm left feeling weird about the idea of lynching him this early because of two main reasons:

1) the aforementioned havoc that he brings into a game, and how I desperately wanted to lynch him in our game when he was an un-CC'ed PR (for context: this was in a newbie game where his role was all but confirmed) because his playstyle and tone just reads as so damn scummy when he's town.

2) if he flips green it's going to put me in this state where I'm either deathtunneling jjh or fighting the urge to do so for the rest of the game, while not trusting jjh. If it was this push alone that jjh was advocating, I dont think I would feel this way. But the cookie crumbled yesterday with Korina so that's naturally where I'm going to end up if that happens. This aspect makes me especially hesitant to go through with a lynch on TL because my gut tells me jjh is town, and his tone, content, and seemingly strong desire to progress the game (although not necessarily in the way I prefer) only strengthen this feeling.

It's worth noting that I don't even see lynching scum!TL today strengthening my townread on jjh by much because I already strongly feel he is town (and scum!TL would arguably be the best player in here to bus anyway). So weighing my pros and cons here, I would

really

rather see {elements, elbirn} eating rope today, so far. EP isn't so much a compromise for me at this point as a conditional lynch based on something that I do not wish to push/disclose at this time as I think it could potentially be unhealthy for the town. Still waiting to see more from Mastina and TD before I come to a conclusion there but from where I am sitting, elements and elbirn seem like clear Ropey winners for the day.

On that note:
UNVOTE:
VOTE: elements

[eth0s]

I want to hear more from this slot.

@Elements

Why does it look like you are just coasting by this game?
Can you bring a new perspective to Elbirn, seeing as how you had a PT with him?
Why did you join Korina's wagon in the first place?

[jjh927]

Weren't you gonna talk to me about Elbirn and Mastina

[eth0s]

Me and deb were gonna break the game open together. It was gonna be wonderful. I'd set up a means of communicating in thread via crumbs nobody else would pick up on for when the PT closed and everything.

I'll start with Elbirn and Mastina, since I'll take either of them as a backup deb.


Elbirn is town. The push on a 'scumslip' is lazy af and I should know because I make lazy pushes on 'scumslips' a lot.

Can you clarify this? it sounds like you're shading me but I can't tell. The feeling that you are is most of the reason I consider this to be a "shit case" because it sounds like you're calling me lazy scum because you play a lazy scum. I'd love to know that I'm wrong about this though.

All it achieves is a bit of pressure, which you can use to push someone and test their reactions. The thing is, it's not even close to a scumslip when he appears to be genuinely irritated at Korina.

that's easy to fake, null point.

Scum would not be irritated at Korina. So unless you believe the post to be fake as well, and the idea that it could be faked emotion as well as a scumslip is contradictory due to attention to detail paid by scum when fabricating, that whole push is trash.

see above point

Furthermore, Elbirn is one of the three people in the game I am sure of that do not make the SoaS kill. It's a really weird kill. It's funny that nobody has really commented on it. The other people are me and mastina.

NKA is garbage, especially day one. But I want to know why you feel this way regardless

Mastina is town. She is disengaged but putting effort in to stay afloat. Once again, why is the push here on weird wordy shit when you can see her thought processes?

Once again, assuming you're talking about me here referencing her momo conftown claim, how is that weird wordy shit? She wasn't prodded even though she didn't post for 76 hours. Emerald saying in 430 that prods would be sent "soon if needed" tells me that, for all we know, mastina and momo both could have been posting in PTs and not being prodded for that reason. It also feels really unfair to say it's all about "weird wordy shit" when I called her out for repeating what others have been saying and jumping onto a wagon with little/no reasoning when she has

2

people she claims to be scumreading harder. I just don't get why you want to simultaneously defend her and write the accusations off as being solely about how others have perceived her intentions when I have been giving actual reasoning for my feelings.

The timing of that catchup blob might be jarring but it's town af. Please disregard any ill feelings you have towards that being the content we got from mastina at eod1 in lieu of real time conversation, and tell me whether that's faked for towncred and relevancy or mastina's real thought process while trying to come back into the game.

p-edit:

Weren't you gonna talk to me about Elbirn and Mastina

no

[schadd_]

VC 2.1

EspressoPatronum (4):

Menalque, TiphaineDeath, TemporalLich, mastina

Elements (2):

Adorable, eth0s

TemporalLich (2):

EspressoPatronum, jjh927

Not voting: Elements, Chemist1422, Elbirn

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Day 2 will end in (expired on 2019-10-06 17:40:00) or when a lynch is reached.

prodding elements

[jjh927]

Generally speaking, things you think could be scumslips probably aren't

It's fine to push them, but it's not good for it to play a pivotal role in cases. When I say it's lazy, I mean you should look more at thought processes and actual play. I'm not calling you scum when I say it's lazy- I'm saying you can do better than pushing a 'scumslip' even if you really think that was definitely what it was.


Sure, it's easy to fake being irritated. But you've missed the actual point in order to point that out; if the irritation was faked, it would be crafted with some attention to detail such that it couldn't be perceived as a scumslip.



Elbirn was very happily shitposting with SoaS. He doesn't kill there. I feel like Scum!Mastina most likely makes a kill out of her rather limited townreads here.

[jjh927]

Gonna be honest I can't remember what I was referring to as weird wordy shit

[EspressoPatronum]

Hey eth0s, can you link the games you've played with TL?

[TiphaineDeath]

Because I came back and there were 0-fucking-votes on someone who "scumslipped" and has people arguing both sides of that and is freaking out and not reading because of said "scumslip." This is strange and needs addressing more-urgently than TL needs rope. Like, don't get me wrong, if I can't find something to make of all this, you've got my vote, but something is OFF here, and that usually means scum somewhere.

[EspressoPatronum]

@eth0s I haven't played much with Elements, but I recall him coasting a fair bit as town in Pokemon Ruby Mafia. Will have to double check that later.

[eth0s]

Hey eth0s, can you link the games you've played with TL?

Sure. I replaced in. Only game I've played with him to my knowledge.

[EspressoPatronum]

@TD since you want to go back to the scumslip discussion, can you start by saying whether you think it's a real slip or not?

[EspressoPatronum]

Hey eth0s, can you link the games you've played with TL?

Sure. I replaced in. Only game I've played with him to my knowledge.

Thanks, I appreciate!

[eth0s]

It's fine to push them, but it's not good for it to play a pivotal role in cases. When I say it's lazy, I mean you should look more at thought processes and actual play. I'm not calling you scum when I say it's lazy- I'm saying you can do better than pushing a 'scumslip' even if you really think that was definitely what it was.

fair, and glad that I misinterpreted the "lazy" bit. but what do you mean that you also lazy push these slips? I guess I don't understand why you claim to do it but tell me not to.

Sure, it's easy to fake being irritated. But you've missed the actual point in order to point that out; if the irritation was faked, it would be crafted with some attention to detail such that it couldn't be perceived as a scumslip.

Maybe, but I think you could be giving him too much credit

Elbirn was very happily shitposting with SoaS. He doesn't kill there. I feel like Scum!Mastina most likely makes a kill out of her rather limited townreads here.

it's this kind of wifom-y logic that makes me generally consider NKA to be garbage

[TiphaineDeath]

I'm ignoring that right now actually EP. I kind of don't trust myself in relation to scum-slips because I get them wrong so often. What matters more to me is the discussion around it and the reactions to it. I think there is a good chance elbirn is scum here, but I need a chance to actually read everything to understand what is going on and I haven't gotten one yet.