Detective Penguin & City of Fogport [Game Over]

[PenguinPower]

does being a vig confirm town?

No, but why would he vig his buddy if there are only three of them?

[Vecna]

There are 4 living players who are currently

addicted to caffeine

.

VoteCount 2.0

Not Voting [14]

- ofrhz, PenguinPower, Croag, Pine, Kagami, Bingle, Day One Lynch, Vecna, Judge Joseph Dredd, chennisden, Marquis, popsofctown, Chandra Nalaar, Flavor Leaf

With 14 alive it takes 8 votes to lynch.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2019-09-08 20:00:00)

Daystart of day2. 4 people caffeinated.

Which ones do we know were alive and caffeinated at this point?

Kagami. He is flipped town and claimed he used his cop shit N1.

Chandra. He claimed a result he could not have known was indeed true, so he mustve scanned.

JJD. Claimed to have used his ability N1. If he lied, he has kept lying about it all throughout the game, and is thus scum and should be lynched regardless.


That leaves the following 11 players alive at this point: ofrhz, PenguinPower, Croag, Pine, Bingle, Day One Lynch, Vecna, chennisden, Marquis, popsofctown, Flavor Leaf

Ofrhz, Pine, D1L, Chenn, Pops, FL - All of these have flipped town and stated they had not used an ability on N1.

PP and Croag - Both of you claimed you did not scan N1. If PP lied about this, he is scum and should be lynched regardless.

Me and Bingle both have no ability to become caffeinated. If bingle is scum and lied about this the game would already be over now. Either way he cannot be scum together with Marquis so marquis had no reason to cover for him. Neither of these 2 couldve been it either.

That ONLY leaves Marquis to have been Caffeinated D2.

From where im standing MARQUIS is confirmed to have vigged Fish on N1 and is thus towncleared.

The only way MARQUIS is not towncleared here is if Chandra did a lucky guess on his scan, which seems very risky and unneeded.

[Vecna]

Croag, scum is trying to pocket you here. There is a reason PP wanted you to out first, because he does not know his own sanity.

I outed first the previous day.

The previous day didnt matter. Today matters.

[PenguinPower]

It did as far as ascertaining the veracity of our claims to each other, or at least.

[PenguinPower]

^
me

[Vecna]

Yesterday you didnt have to lie about the result. You were always going to NK Chenn this night regardless.

Today you need to save your teammate to win the game. Ofcourse if croag got a guilty you couldnt do that because you were never going to win a 1v1 against croag.

[PenguinPower]

There are 4 living players who are currently

addicted to caffeine

.

VoteCount 2.0

Not Voting [14]

- ofrhz, PenguinPower, Croag, Pine, Kagami, Bingle, Day One Lynch, Vecna, Judge Joseph Dredd, chennisden, Marquis, popsofctown, Chandra Nalaar, Flavor Leaf

With 14 alive it takes 8 votes to lynch.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2019-09-08 20:00:00)

Daystart of day2. 4 people caffeinated.

Which ones do we know were alive and caffeinated at this point?

Kagami. He is flipped town and claimed he used his cop shit N1.

Chandra. He claimed a result he could not have known was indeed true, so he mustve scanned.

JJD. Claimed to have used his ability N1. If he lied, he has kept lying about it all throughout the game, and is thus scum and should be lynched regardless.


That leaves the following 11 players alive at this point: ofrhz, PenguinPower, Croag, Pine, Bingle, Day One Lynch, Vecna, chennisden, Marquis, popsofctown, Flavor Leaf

Ofrhz, Pine, D1L, Chenn, Pops, FL - All of these have flipped town and stated they had not used an ability on N1.

PP and Croag - Both of you claimed you did not scan N1. If PP lied about this, he is scum and should be lynched regardless.

Me and Bingle both have no ability to become caffeinated. If bingle is scum and lied about this the game would already be over now. Either way he cannot be scum together with Marquis so marquis had no reason to cover for him. Neither of these 2 couldve been it either.

That ONLY leaves Marquis to have been Caffeinated D2.

From where im standing MARQUIS is confirmed to have vigged Fish on N1 and is thus towncleared.

The only way MARQUIS is not towncleared here is if Chandra did a lucky guess on his scan, which seems very risky and unneeded.

What are you trying to say with this? There were 4 caffeinated people D2...and you listed them all.

[Vecna]

It did as far as ascertaining the veracity of our claims to each other, or at least.

As scum you knew Chenn to be town, thus both the sane and naive cop were going to get an inno.

There was no need to lie yesterday.

[Vecna]

What are you trying to say with this? There were 4 caffeinated people D2...and you listed them all.

Im trying to say that Marquis was caffeinated at the start of D2. Meaning there was no PGO, and that it is a near given that Marquis did IN FACT shoot fish. Unless something really weird happened with Chandra's claim, or JJD is lying scum.

The outcome is always the same. Were not lynching Marquis here.

[PenguinPower]

Yesterday you didnt have to lie about the result. You were always going to NK Chenn this night regardless.

Today you need to save your teammate to win the game. Ofcourse if croag got a guilty you couldnt do that because you were never going to win a 1v1 against croag.

It's almost like I wanted to verify that Croag was town, which is also why I hinted that getting a guilty on Croag was another option that was left out of Jingle's list of options.

JJD, Croag, and me are confirmed town to me. If it's not Marquis, then it's you or Bingle. You can shit tunnel all you want, but that's where it is FMPOV and I'm not really going to debate it with you.

[Bingle]

The previous day didnt matter. Today matters

You’re actually both wrong. Scum cop can deduce their alignment d2, which means they can fake results at any point past that. PP and croag holstered N1. That means the only day that was actually relevant for their investigation-outing was D3.

[Bingle]

Why is croag confed to you?

[PenguinPower]

Why is croag confed to you?

Cleared JJD today. As scum, she wouldn't have to if they weren't partners, and she would risk me getting the guilty if she was, which is why I wanted her to claim first.

[PenguinPower]

The previous day didnt matter. Today matters

You’re actually both wrong. Scum cop can deduce their alignment d2, which means they can fake results at any point past that. PP and croag holstered N1. That means the only day that was actually relevant for their investigation-outing was D3.

You're going to have to explain this to me.

[Vecna]

How is croag confirmed town to you?

[PenguinPower]

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Chandra. He claimed a result he could not have known was indeed true, so he mustve scanned.

Can you refresh my memory about this one?

[Vecna]

It doesnt matter anyway, if he didnt actually use his ability we'd be "missing" 2 abilities, which still results in Marquis being confirmed to have shot Fish

[PenguinPower]

Chandra. He claimed a result he could not have known was indeed true, so he mustve scanned.

Can you refresh my memory about this one?

He wouldn't have known his sanity, so either he guessed correctly or actually investigated.

[Bingle]

You saw it first hand in Smith’s cops game.

From a scum POV it takes 2 investigations to fully determine sanity. 1 on town, 1 on scum. You know every alignment, so you know the results after that. If you get T/T you’re naive, T/S either sane or insane and you know which S/S paranoid. At that point you can fake whatever results you want accurately to your role.

[PenguinPower]

But, with paranoid and insane flipped, if we both get t/t on our invests (like we did) and they're all town (like they were) we still don't know if we're sane or naive.

[Bingle]

Yeah, but scum has no reason not to lie about who they investigated the second time, assuming jjd is town. Assuming jjd is scum, a guilty result on jjd scum from either of you confirms the other to be naive.

Basically, scum cop only actually has to gamble once here. And it would have been on chenn. Which you’re both confirmed to have told the truth on.

[Bingle]

2 inno results on JJD means, FMPOV, scumteam is {cop/JJD}
Guilty result on JJD means, FMPOV, scumteam is Marquis or cop and JJD

Note: 2 in no results doesn’t clear a cop. It clears marquis.

[Bingle]

I didn’t expect the 1 scum push, but I can point out why it’s dumb again later.

[Vecna]

I mean, they have to right? Thats the only play left to them if the scumteam is in fact JJD/PP.