Detective Penguin & City of Fogport [Game Over]

[Croag]

Ok...so...here's where I'm at:

I have a town result on JJD - Croag says she does too. I have no idea what my alignment is, and BingleJingle posted a logical reasoning as to why scum would be able to ascertain their (and my) alignment. So, do I believe that a JJD/Croag team would have done that?
I didn't like some of the posting from Croag in the PT on re-read (probably naive cop/can we win this?/can we check again?) and I didn't like the suggestion to cop D1L over JJD and no response to my suggestion that JJD needed to be copped over D1L being ignored.
JJD vs. BingleJingle is reasoning vs ATE, and BingleJingle!reasoning has solved previous games.

VOTE: JJD

If you are town JJD can only be scum if I am also scum

If that is the case that you believe I am scum then vote me.
You should have 0 reason to go against that vs. Voting JJD because from your point of view if you are town me and JJD would have to be scum together.

If you don’t want to do this then either JJD is not scum and you are making a mistake or you are scum.

Either unvote JJD or vote me.

[Croag]

Penguin you are clearly sane cop because of your flavour character. I am 80% sure of that. Sue me if wrong. If you genuinely think JJD is scum then vote me. You have no reason not to.

[Croag]

JJD please unvote yourself as we are one away from a hammer

[Croag]

There’s no point being a self martyr if you are town. This does nothing for the game.

[PenguinPower]

UNVOTE:

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

UNVOTE:

Just because you asked. It's become inevitable though as Bingle has clearly pocketed the town. OR maybe I am wrong and Vecna is the scum? I don't think so because this isn't his play style though. I would not expect Vecna to be pulling this one trick, plus Bingle adnitted HE invented the "inkillable" part, and Bingle is the one that quick hammered chandra for no good reason (aside from shutting down any further town conversation and planning). I also buy Vecna misreading me, but I don't buy Bingle misreading me AT ALL.

[Bingle]

Either unvote JJD or vote me.

This is not a town post.

[Bingle]

I also buy Vecna misreading me, but I don't buy Bingle misreading me AT ALL.

This is not a real stance from A50. He's seen scum me as town. I don't think he's ever been in a game with town me.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

You admitted we talk a LOT outside if games. You know how my mind works.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

You've also been Scum with me, and you modded Scum!Me.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

There's NO WAY you think THIS is my Scum game.

[Bingle]

You've also been Scum with me

No. I haven't. We've played together in 3 games. This one, Role Call (You suspected me 0%), and Police Academy (You suspected me 0%). I was scum in 2/3. You were scum in 1/3.

And yeah, scum A50 definitely tries to get the player who he can't nightkill but who is accurately scumreading him lynched. Pull the other one.

I can't recall modding scum you, although I know for sure you were in a bunch of games that I spectated/reviewed. Your scum game is fast, loose, and high noise. Your play this game was fast, loose, and high noise.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

No. I haven't. We've played together in 3 games. This one, Role Call (You suspected me 0%), and Police Academy (You suspected me 0%). I was scum in 2/3. You were scum in 1/3.

We were scum together in Police Academy, iirc?

[Bingle]

You were scum in police academy?

Lemme go check. I thought it was like gork and some lurker who got their ass lynched early.

[Bingle]

I stand corrected. A50 and I were scum together once. His summation of that game:

Subject: Mini Theme 2007: Police Academy 1 - Game Over

I have a confession to make: This was one of my worst scum games ever.

[Bingle]

Why the fuck am I engaging with scum again?

Penguin, if you have questions, ask them.

[Croag]

Either unvote JJD or vote me.

This is not a town post.

Yes it is. Reread please

[Bingle]

Either unvote JJD or vote me.

This is not a town post.

Yes it is. Reread please

From a mythical towncroag PoV, there are four options here.

Scum Bingle.
Scum Vecna.
Scum JJD/PP.
Scum PP.

From this mythical towncroag PoV, there are 3 options worth considering, because Scum PP loses exactly as many times as Scum JJD/PP.

Croag, here, does not engage over why Scum Bingle or Scum Vecna is terrible. Croag instead tries to derail the lynch whenever it looks like it might be JJD. Croag does not attempt to solve me or Vecna, and in fact, is noticeably silent wrt arguments against solo scum.

Additionally, instead of any paranoia that ScumPP might be bussing here, Croag is 100% sure that the mod, in addition to making a laughably townsided game, also made the cop hood solvable via flavor and added an IC, just for shits and giggles.

There is absolutely no lack of posts to respond to today. Croag has responded to 0% of them. She's not solving, she's actively getting in the way of solving.

[PenguinPower]

VOTE: jjd

I really don't see me not ending up here, and I don't want to keep stressing over it.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

@PP: If you're scum just claim it and let this game be done with. Bingle will shoot Vecna and you win via the alternate wincon. THANK YOU.

If you're TOWN though, Croag challenged you to vote her. Why did you not take her up for it? If I'm scum (and you're town) Croag

has to be

scum with me.

The fact that you came back to me is what's keeping me from explicitly TRing you here, because from Town!You PoV there's absolutely no difference between the two options, while from Scum!You PoV you KNOW it would be sus AF to turn around like that, because neither Vecna nor Marquis will agree to it.

I thus call on you -as a friend- that if Vingle told you JJD was the mislynch to just claim and we can end the game here and now.

P.S. I just NOW figured why Bingle is so adamant on lynching me.

Bingle still doesn't believe I acted on N1

, and thus claiming scum NOW does NOT win him the game.

OK.. now that I know why you're so adamant to lynch me today, I will tell you

honstly

that I DID act on N1. I am indeed caffeinated and you can end this silly crusade right here and now.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

OMG! Now I'm 200% sure its Bingle. NOBODY ON THIS PLAYERS LIST would figure I could have faked my action to set up scum into prematurely claiming.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

I mean the LIVING players. I know FL would have considered it.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

@VECNA / @MARQUIS: Rad above. Bingle wants me lynched NOT because thinks I'm scum (because he knows I'm town because HE IS SCUM), but he doesn't trust my claim that I acted N1, so he is playing it safe. Lynch the lynchable "unknown caffeinated status" and shoot the "known UNcaffeinated UNlynchable".

I have no idea how stupid PP is, but I still lean town on him because HE FUCKING COULD HAVE CLAIMED A GUILTY ON ME IF HE WAS SCUM. He outed his result AFTER Croag. He knew it would have been safe to claim a guilty on me if he was Scum, and it would have been a game winning move.

So it's BINGLE ALONE. THAT is the ONE SCUM LEFT ALIVE.

VOTE: Bingle

[Bingle]

^Note: Not "PP is town because I am town and his only possible partner." Possibly because JJD isn't town.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

^Note: Not "PP is town because I am town and his only possible partner." Possibly because JJD isn't town.

You know as well as I that this isn't true. Theoretically PP could still be scum with you (and that's why he keeps coming back to voting me). If you & PP are scum together you should claim your victory now, because I am indeed caffeinated. But you don't want to take any risks and you know I could gave bluffed all along and that's why you won't claim scum right here and now.

If you lynch me and PP is your p you can safely scum claim in twilight (and the mod probably ends the game at that as there are no protective roles to prevent your kill on ANYONE, which makes it 2-2 and scum achieve parity).

But if that's the case PP could still as easily go for Croag, because your team would be playing for the parity win con either way.

So, I am saying you AND ONLY YOU are scum here because you want to lynch me over Croag (who made a brilliant move by that offer, btw..) because lynching her leaves you with the same problem of "what IF JJD bluffed and isn't really caffeinated?". In this case you shoot Vecna and the game doesn't end and you get to fight one more day and this time the odds will be fairly against you. OR you could opt to shoot me first, and then I flip Town and -again- you're in such an awkward position because both Cops are cleared by my flip.

Theoretically it could be PP alone, but that means he lost already because he now has to shoot both you and Vecna over 2 successive nights so why is he siding by you when he could cut his work short by voting you and shooting Vecna next?

In sum, Scum!PP would be playing really really bad whether he was a lone scum or paired with you.

But let's get back to reality: YOU ARE THE LONE SCUM here and we both know it. It's just how deep you managed to pocket BOTH your hood members that decides the game outcome, and tbf I've given up on Vecna, so my only hope is Marquis can see what you're doing here and why.