Micro 891 - Death List (Game Over)

[Azuresky]

I can't wagon you in a literal sense, you're literally unlynchable today.

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Alright looks like im getting a lot of flak, thats a good sign.

I'm not scum, but im not going to defend myself. I could, but im liking where its taking everyone.

Please expand more on why my posts suck, i'll focus on some other stuff.

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[Azuresky]

I'm fine with this move for now.

VOTE: Skip

[popsofctown]

I can't wagon you in a literal sense, you're literally unlynchable today.

There's no list transformation that immediately kills Dongempire

[Azuresky]

I can't wagon you in a literal sense, you're literally unlynchable today.

There's no list transformation that immediately kills Dongempire

Theres no list transformation that immediately kills anyone besides hectic (SKIP).

You can still wagon Dong by doing x and x. (Im not home, idk what it is but you get my point).

@Dong: Its a new setup I believe, Of course there is going to be alot of setup spec to start imo.

[popsofctown]

OH YOU CAN DO MORE THAN 1 SHUFFLE PER DAY

[popsofctown]

VOTE: Half

[Donempire]

Digging this

[Donempire]

@Dong: Its a new setup I believe, Of course there is going to be alot of setup spec to start imo.

Well i want to play the game yet i dont want to waste time on learning essentially the same lynching. Hecric already said everything necessary, why are we still on this? We're just wasting time, its page 6 and no one has reads

[Nymph]

I'm fine with this move for now.

VOTE: Skip

Why are you voting skip at this point?

[Azuresky]

I believe Hectic is scum.

The notion for hectic is that theres a pretty good chance hectic believes there will be atleast one shuffle, which allows him to gambit with a huge number for townpoints because “town wouldnt do that,” hectics number ENSURES hes the top, which is why I find this a gambit for townpoints.

He wants to be the top of the list, then I say we grant him his wish.

[Azuresky]

I believe Hectic is scum.

The notion for hectic is that theres a pretty good chance hectic believes there will be atleast one shuffle, which allows him to gambit with a huge number for townpoints because “

scum

wouldnt do that,” hectics number ENSURES hes the top, which is why I find this a gambit for townpoints.

He wants to be the top of the list, then I say we grant him his wish.

Corrected.

[Azuresky]

@Dong: Its a new setup I believe, Of course there is going to be alot of setup spec to start imo.

Well i want to play the game yet i dont want to waste time on learning essentially the same lynching. Hecric already said everything necessary, why are we still on this? We're just wasting time, its page 6 and no one has reads

I got reads, people are scumreading you so they got reads,

What are your reads?

[Elements]

OH YOU CAN DO MORE THAN 1 SHUFFLE PER DAY

do you understand now?

[popsofctown]

OH YOU CAN DO MORE THAN 1 SHUFFLE PER DAY

do you understand now?

not yet, please repeat it in axolotl

[Elements]

OH YOU CAN DO MORE THAN 1 SHUFFLE PER DAY

do you understand now?

not yet, please repeat it in axolotl

We can always undo it if we still want to lynch hectic, it will make people view others at the top of the list and maybe get discussions on them. It opens up more opportunity for other lynches then if we all just decided to sit around and skip later.

[Elements]

the only thing we have to consider before the first shuffle is who we 100% don't want to lynch because whomever ends up at position 3 is most likely not able to be lynched.

[popsofctown]

Should probably get 5 votes agree on all 3 shuffles before executing any of them to minmax this the best.

Straight skip is strictly better than something like Pair, Undo, Skip, because scum then get to choose between doing Undo and locking in undo for the rest of the game, or doing pair and locking in pair for the rest of the game, for the same effect, where with straight skip the scum must choose Pair.
I think we would possibly not even find out which one they did, that could make ending on an undo bad in general?

[Hectic]

sorry everyone
will get to this game tomorrow
will solve it for you because you're probably struggling
but maybe will give you some time first to let you have some fun

i see that attempt to buddy me Locke
and consider it done
you're locktown
anyone counterclaiming Elizabeth?

[Azuresky]

OH YOU CAN DO MORE THAN 1 SHUFFLE PER DAY

do you understand now?

not yet, please repeat it in axolotl

We can always undo it if we still want to lynch hectic, it will make people view others at the top of the list and maybe get discussions on them. It opens up more opportunity for other lynches then if we all just decided to sit around and skip later.

Unless you want to vote PAIR, I have an issue with putting up anyone else from another option.

How about we put some pressure on Hectic.

[popsofctown]

Spoiler: post

sorry everyone
will get to this game tomorrow
will solve it for you because you're probably struggling
but maybe will give you some time first to let you have some fun

i see that attempt to buddy me Locke
and consider it done
you're locktown
anyone counterclaiming Elizabeth?

I day-rolecopped Locke and got the result "Elizabeth", which means my initial read on you of being Elizabeth must be wrong (I didn't burn a shot confirming that hunch, I have to be careful as an X-shot). It's pretty clear now why Locke has you townlocked. I'll spoiler this, both to make dongempire happy, and to give us a better chance of someone showing up and scumclaiming by claiming Elizabeth.

[Dunnstral]

I'm going to sheep this because I think this is good.

HALF->REVERSE->SKIP

VOTE: HALF

That is the first time someone has expressed a desire to sheep my read, then immediately voted me :lol:
Thank you GiF for bringing us this magical setup.

Since we don't know what the mafia might do at night and any of our reads might be wrong, I think it's going to be best to pick transformations one by one. It is not possible for the mafia to go in 5 player LyLo and become impossible for us to lynch one of them even if we have both of them identified.
Using the votecount to show where you are is always a good idea, though.
I'm going to VOTE: Pair, which is a Dunnstral vote; I think that's the most likely of the 4 lynchable players to flip scum. They're all pretty close, except for the one whose role PM I can view.

But I think it's important to keep sorting all 9 slots.
Not excited by dongempire's reaction right away on that topic.

@Elements: Why are you saying "I think we should do at least one rearranging of the list"? I noticed "Skip" is the only option we can do that reduces scum's agency, actually, whereas every other option gives them the choice of selecting "Undo", "Undo" is identical to not submitting anything if we skip. Why are you drawing the opposite conclusions from me about the mechanics here?

Fake read, and you conveniently didn't notice in my 3 posts that my action to reverse the list wouldn't hit elements, and would instead hit Locke if there were only 1 action per day. This is something that I would expect you to comment on if you were town, instead it seems you called me the scummiest person just because

[popsofctown]

I'm going to sheep this because I think this is good.

HALF->REVERSE->SKIP

VOTE: HALF

That is the first time someone has expressed a desire to sheep my read, then immediately voted me
Thank you GiF for bringing us this magical setup.

Since we don't know what the mafia might do at night and any of our reads might be wrong, I think it's going to be best to pick transformations one by one. It is not possible for the mafia to go in 5 player LyLo and become impossible for us to lynch one of them even if we have both of them identified.
Using the votecount to show where you are is always a good idea, though.
I'm going to VOTE: Pair, which is a Dunnstral vote; I think that's the most likely of the 4 lynchable players to flip scum. They're all pretty close, except for the one whose role PM I can view.

But I think it's important to keep sorting all 9 slots.
Not excited by dongempire's reaction right away on that topic.

@Elements: Why are you saying "I think we should do at least one rearranging of the list"? I noticed "Skip" is the only option we can do that reduces scum's agency, actually, whereas every other option gives them the choice of selecting "Undo", "Undo" is identical to not submitting anything if we skip. Why are you drawing the opposite conclusions from me about the mechanics here?

Fake read, and you conveniently didn't notice in my 3 posts that my action to reverse the list wouldn't hit elements, and would instead hit Locke if there were only 1 action per day. This is something that I would expect you to comment on if you were town, instead it seems you called me the scummiest person just because

I glanced at it in preview edit as I was posting the subsequent wallpost, since what transformation was being used wasn't specified I just assumed you'd answered honestly.
I care a lot more about other things in developing my reads.
If you think that miscounting the mechanic is scum indicative for me, why did you not come after me when I accidentally selfvoted on page two or so? Why'd you wait around?
I noticed in Crown on the Ground I have to vote you to get you out of your shell sometimes, so I wouldn't expect you to be so surprised by a Dunnstral vote in a lower information phase of the game.

[popsofctown]

I finished writing a c program that sims this game's mechanic.

I'm gonna keep guessing combinations of 3 things and see if I can figure out a combination mutations that lynches dongempire and makes azuresky bulletproof.

[GuyInFreezer]

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