Micro 891 - Death List (Game Over)

[Azuresky]

I perfectly happy for hectics to die. Hectic on the other hand I'm not so sure about.

Agreed.
Hectics has been impersonating me for far too long now. It's time we delivered him some justice.
Only fitting if I'm the one to do it.

VOTE: Undo

This will return me to the micro queue. Then I can join Baezu's game.

Don't do it. Hectics is likely to sub in and sabotage the game's integrity.

I have a really really tiny town read on Dunn and Hectics.

VOTE: HALF

You believe scum are less likely to put themselves at the top of the list?

VOTE: SKIP

Some reasoning would be appreciated.

1) You say [HALF] splits the list bigger/smaller for odd numbers, but it seems to be split smaller/bigger in your example, am I misunderstanding?
2) In the case of an odd list, does [PAIR] ignore the middle number?
3) In the case of an odd list, does [LAYER] ignore the middle number?

1) I could've sworn I fixed it but it wasn't. Fixed.
2, 3) Yes.

Much appreciated.

I cant edit this, so go along with me:

Bottom of #15: Feigning innocence.

Top of #18: I do see Hectic getting defensive from this, cause again, it should be common sense to everyone that town will shuffle once, right? How boring would it be to SKIP right away? Right Hectic? Do I have it right?

[Azuresky]

Well have fun with this then, cause im not gonna burn myself out at school just to come back to this

Boooooooooooooo.


I think there is way too much night spec and setting up for me here. Honestly Id wait a day or so before setting up the list to protect people.

Locke, you say my reasoning is wifomy, I think is pretty obvious that this is a ploy for townpoints as its pretty certain that atleast 1 shuffle will happen, keeping Hectic off the table for the day. He wants the top, he can have it. Vote skip, let mafia decide on Dunn.

I mean you say its pretty obvious but there is no reason to automatically assume that there is that much thought put into anyone's picked number, otherwise you can easily start to scumread anyone for any number-related reasoning. Like for example I must be scum because I picked one which means I must have been scared to be anywhere near the top. Its just wild speculation, and honestly this is really starting to feel like you're tunneling

Hectic scumslipped boys.

He DID NOT GET a town PM.

Ill leave you in suspense until I get back from work. Maybe yall can find it.

seriously this just proves my point that you're tunneling, you're grasping at straws here. If you were playing another game rn I could understand this and pass it off, you aren't

lul but the mafia get example town PMs sent to them
hence the if you're mafia real PM sent later part (paraphrasing)
so point is moot
unlucky

though her confusion about this does make her more townie
the fact she's forgotten about that section of the PM makes her far less likely to be mafia

hmmm
might have to kick her out of my FoS

What makes you so quick to believe shes geuninely confused?

This is all bullshit.

You wanna say its Null for number speculation, which is fine when you have generic numbers like 4 and 6 and 12, but Hectics number is different. He WANTED the top, a number like 9x10^999 is so over the top its balatant.

Do you really believe Hectics number is NaI? Your defense of the man to call this tunneling is noted.

[Hectic]

lul but the mafia get example town PMs sent to them
hence the if you're mafia real PM sent later part (paraphrasing)
so point is moot
unlucky

I think you forgot about that yourself. I think you forgot about the fake town pm since you got another one afterwards.

You didnt know this was vanilla. You fakeclaimed dayvig, which I assumed was a joke, but you said you were shocked to see people ignore it. You thought there was prs for town, which can exists in games with 2 mafia (goons).

You are scum, you are gambiting for the top spot, you forgot the setup, hence why you were setting up crumbs for later to pile on towncred with the fact you wanted the top spot, because you know that people wont immediately skip. You would be safe for a bit, its a smart plan.

Problem is, its a plan I would do myself as scum, so I can see the motivation for this as a scumplay.

huh
this tunnelling is weird
can barely see you in the dark in there
might have to confiscate your pickaxes
why is scum more likely to forget about the game being all vanilla?
both factions get the same town PM
and you think that kind of thing wouldn't come up in the scum PT?
about setup spec regarding the game being all vanilla?
really?

would go for the top spot regardless of alignment
that's NAI

[Hectic]

I cant edit this, so go along with me:

Bottom of #15: Feigning innocence.

Top of #18: I do see Hectic getting defensive from this, cause again, it should be common sense to everyone that town will shuffle once, right? How boring would it be to SKIP right away? Right Hectic? Do I have it right?

lul
was asking about a naked vote because i was defensive?
come on Azure
i'll confiscate your shovel as well if you're not careful
you have a lot to learn

disagreed with the notion that scum wouldn't pick a high number
hence why was interested to hear Nymph's thoughts on it

[Azuresky]

Other news, Pops still town, Maria town, but Im not a fan of what she said about me TRing her at the start. Locke is ok for now.

Elements spoke about his survivability in an earlier post, I used to read that as town, but its such a noobtell that I cant see it as that anymore. Elements did tell me in our last game he isnt a fan of D1s and plays better after d1 which is true.

Dong’s apathy bothers me. Dunn needs to talk more. Nymph’s change in activity is suspisious.

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P-Edit: LOL.

Hectic you tell me? The town PM states its obviously there are obviously vanilla only. Town shouldnt forget their role, scum can forget their fakeclaims, becuase its a FAKE claim.

No I dont think this would come up in the scum PT unless you were discussing that you were going to do your thing, which I highly doubt you were going to. Again, YOU said you forgot its mountainous, people with town PMs knew it was mountainous, YOU messed up and forgot about the Town PMs cause you got a mafia PM afterwards.

But you know what, lets cut the bullshit:

Why did you claim the top spot.

[Dunnstral]

lul but the mafia get example town PMs sent to them

Do they?

[Dunnstral]

This feels like a weird progression, pushing a scumread more then unvoting, I can think of a town reason for it but I'm curious to hear from you, whats your reasoning for this?

I think there's more to focus on than just getting somebody lynched with the votes today and I want to figure the progression of 3 shuffles before I vote for the first one

[Hectic]

lul but the mafia get example town PMs sent to them

Do they?

check your role PM again

[Hectic]

Why would I respond to nonsense? Seems kinda useless and just clogs of the thread. So, if the interaction is so strange to you what kinda impression does it give you? 'Strange' can mean many things. Why don't you clear that up.

Have you played with Hectic before? I've never played with him which is why I asked for clarification. I thought the cryptography post and the fake claim is something I've never seen on this site before at the same time. I still remember someone from a Newbie game recently claimed VT from a game I was reading and ended up as scum that got lynched D2 which is what came into my mind.

have something to confess
didn't realise it was an open setup
so may have crumbed vanilla townie in my first post...
that game you're talking about is where i got the idea from

Can you post examples for me?

@Nymph
This would be what I was referring to.

I've never been asked for something like this before, actually, I'm not positive how I should be taking it. Only ever been asked for entire game links.

Wait really? I find questions like that to be NAI. I've seen questions about getting links to past games be very common.

from my 2 decades of experience - have found that people asking for specifics like that are generally more town
shows desire to solve and work things out

Ok, I'm going to leave a big post here for awhile as I plan on being busy tomorrow:

Give me Maria for town at this point, I'm usually a sucker for posts like #11, as most of the time this is a genuine statement.

Quickly looking at Hectics #12, I found the words,

Wind Tracker May Ruined Wrong Byes

take that as you will, its probably nothing, as there are no PRs in this game.

Hectic #15 ("You Believe Scum are Less Likely to put themselves at the top of the list") - Hectic could be scum for this. The WIFOM play is ballsy and something I can respect. Nymph v Hectic looks to be TvS if you ask me.

Pops is probably town, but I do have a tiny tiny tiny reason to believe she is scum, but I do not feel like outing my reason as it is reaching (and somewhat a gut feeling) and I tr pops enough for now to ignore it.


In Summary, I personally would like to think as of right now: Hectic/Nymph and someone who hasn't talked much yet (Dong/Elements/Dunn/Locke). I would vote SKIP right now, but I want to hear from those 4 before I make any more assumptions. I think this should provide yall some talking points to work with.

Other Notes:

I have a really really tiny town read on Dunn and Hectics.

VOTE: HALF

Dunn hasn't posted yet up to that post. Fake reads?

so youre not buying in to wifom?

I can see hectic doing it, never played with dunn, have you? Think dunn would wifom?

did it because it'd be funny
and that it'd generate discussion
didn't think it would impact lynching since 3 shuffles is enough for anything
like you could do 3 shuffles today and still have me at the top
or do a shuffle and then undo
you're reading too much into this
like a librarian on heroin

Hectic LAMIST is ironic, isnt it? Given that i dont see why you're scumreading him so much over it.
If its unironic, well, im out of words in that case. But doubt that

how dare you
you have a lot to learn student

why i claimed top spot is in this post Azure
getting real hard to not OMGUS you
but decades of experience have taught me otherwise

[Hectic]

plus am in 6 games right now
perfectly reasonable that i'd forget this game was mountainous
though i didn't forget
just didn't realise from the role PM

stop digging that hole Azure
the deeper you dig it while remaining stubborn
the scummier you get
get out of it while you're still a townread

[Hectic]

also you didn't address my point about how that wouldn't come up in the scum PT
you think my scum buddy wouldn't inform me it was mountainous when discussing fakeclaiming and me settling on VT?
think that through for a bit Azure
thought you would've realised deathtunneling does not end well from last game

[Hectic]

4

[Azuresky]

also you didn't address my point about how that wouldn't come up in the scum PT
you think my scum buddy wouldn't inform me it was mountainous when discussing fakeclaiming and me settling on VT?

I think its a silly claim that:

A: No one was taking seriously anyways, regardless of setup (You also claimed vig in our last game bro, its your thing, we get it)
B: You probably wouldn't have brought up in the scum PT because its a dumb claim

plus am in 6 games right now
perfectly reasonable that i'd forget this game was mountainous

though i didn't forget
just didn't realise from the role PM

What?

[Azuresky]

Hectic I dont buy you did it for the lulz.

Theres always a method to your chaos

[Hectic]

not talking about the vig claim specifically
how about crumbing VT?
would i not discuss with my scummate before doing that?
would my scummate not remind me the game isn't mountainous?

and of course
everything i do is 100% calculated
you need not worry
there's a reason why in 2011 they were calling me Hec "The Human Calculator" Tic

[popsofctown]

Spoiler: repeatedly requested Azuresky towncase

For The record, as long as Im alive, I will try to provide everyone with what the action will lead to help with scumhunting. If you want to know how to lynch someone, I will let you know:

For Now: 3 Shuffles Remaining

REVERSE - Hectic
HALF - Popsofctown
PAIR - MariaR
LAYER - Locke113
SKIP (ENDS THE DAY) - Hectic
UNDO (COSTS ONE SHUFFLE, DOES NOT END DAY) - Hectic

(Please let me know if there are any mistakes)

I guess I'm pretty dumb for not noticing the "3 shuffle remaining" in this post, but qualifying this post with "as long as I'm alive" seems town indicative. Scum are less likely to contemplate being dead, on average they live longer. And Azuresky is not even in the top 2 slots - for her to even contemplate dying as some kind of default possibility, her memory has to slip about whether this game has a factional NK that she expects to eat a lot of the time.

Pops, quick question:

What alignment do you like more, scum or town?

Asking this question with the trick she later shows she had in mind for it seems like such genuine scumhunting. Scumhunting that does not look like you have the answer you want in mind and are working backwards to get it is the most town-indicative kind. I may have said "scum", and her read would have inverted.

Nah I dont need elements to play my game, but I admit Im not really sure what I should be doing right now for my vote at the moment.

Call it scummy, but I think Imma try to be more passive and laid-back this game. I usually get too aggressive for this site so Im going to wait and see, associate with people, and then vote.

So, just found out I'm wrong and everyone else is right, and there's just one NK per game. Passive play would work ok in a nightful mountainous, but given additional knowledge that this is closer to nightless mountainous, passive play is really dangerous, that's not how you win nightless setups as scum. Damn if I haven't experienced that the hard way. Soft join date, but she might know this intuitively, and even if she doesn't a partner in the scum PT probably laid out a gameplan. (Hinges somewhat on daytalk but daytalk is pretty site meta now)

I believe Hectic is scum.

The notion for hectic is that theres a pretty good chance hectic believes there will be atleast one shuffle, which allows him to gambit with a huge number for townpoints because “town wouldnt do that,” hectics number ENSURES hes the top, which is why I find this a gambit for townpoints.

He wants to be the top of the list, then I say we grant him his wish.

I think Hectic picked a high number because he's Hectic, but Azuresky's beef with him seems borne of genuine paranoia.

And I'm shifting towards scum on the slot now, so she's definitely not getting any mislynch credloss until Hectic flips. I think he essentially decided to draft 99^99^99 when he /inned for the queue in all likelihood, so the 99999 itself isn't anything, but he seems more concerned with justifying himself than I'd expect with him, and the revelation that the crossword puzzle is a VT claim is especially concerning. It's like, a serious thing to do, not a meme. But if VT is somewhere in the crossword puzzle he should know it's antitown and could cause mafia to shoot elsewhere, it's not a well concealed claim like 'first letter of each word in a random post'. That makes me interpret it as LAMIST.

[popsofctown]

Hectic why are you hedging on Azure? How are you going to brag about how long you've been playing mafia and try to scare someone off your lynch by saying "tunneling is scum indicative"?

[Azuresky]

how about crumbing VT?
would i not discuss with my scummate before doing that?
would my scummate not remind me the game isn't mountainous

Im guessing you're talking about your big chart? regardless, lol @crumbing vt

Idk, would you? Id guess no.

Probably? Maybe its Dong who dont give a fuck, Maybe its Dunn who doesn't know? Maybe... Its me and this is a scummy-nominated bus?

[Azuresky]

I think Hectic picked a high number because he's Hectic

Another reason why I think Hectic is scum.

People will buy into the Hectics style of play which gives him townpoints.

Its genius.

[Hectic]

Hectic why are you hedging on Azure? How are you going to brag about how long you've been playing mafia and try to scare someone off your lynch by saying "tunneling is scum indicative"?

tunneling isn't scum-indicative
but stubborn tunneling with bad reason is
still townread her though

interesting that you're concerned about how much i'm justifying myself
am trying to get someone i townread to stop deathtunneling me
since she seems really confident on her read

my VT crumb is REALLY good btw
like not even Hansel and Gretel would spot this
will explain it tomorrow

[Hectic]

I think Hectic picked a high number because he's Hectic

Another reason why I think Hectic is scum.

People will buy into the Hectics style of play which gives him townpoints.

Its genius.

lul
should give NAI points
since people expect me to do it regardless of alignment

[popsofctown]

interesting that you're concerned about how much i'm justifying myself
am trying to get someone i townread to stop deathtunneling me
since she seems really confident on her read

You were asking me to elaborate on why she's town half a post ago; I'm skeptical about this progression where you immediately townread her for pushing you.

[Dunnstral]

I don't think I'm the person to pick for "guy who doesn't know the setup"

[Hectic]

interesting that you're concerned about how much i'm justifying myself
am trying to get someone i townread to stop deathtunneling me
since she seems really confident on her read

You were asking me to elaborate on why she's town half a post ago; I'm skeptical about this progression where you immediately townread her for pushing you.

right
started townreading her more as she explained her reasoning
from her initial post thought i could make her realise her error straight away
a hesitant townread then
but her stubbornness and excitement on finding scum is towny
so a stronger townread now
i know i was saying to stop tunneling me because it will get her scumread by me
in reality was lying and just wanted her to stop wasting time
but the tunneling actually did the reverse
like a tunnel that goes into the sky instead of the earth

[popsofctown]

Yeah scum is the faction that lies. And I can tell the difference from when you're lying for memes and when you're lying to play in bad faith for strategic advantage.

VOTE: Skip