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[profii]

WAIT! I knew I was forgetting something.. CARCA IS ASCETIC. She's ALREADY dead.

Or is she? Wifom

Is the assumption I'm making

[Rick Dalton]

WAIT! I knew I was forgetting something.. CARCA IS ASCETIC. She's ALREADY dead.

[Rick Dalton]

Hmm. I can see that.

We are somewhat confident a doctor or jker exists because of one kill.

If its doctor they should be on mason

What do you mean because of one kill?

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

WAIT! I knew I was forgetting something.. CARCA IS ASCETIC. She's ALREADY dead.

Or is she? Wifom

Is the assumption I'm making

She explicitly claimed it when the Voyeur said a Doctor visited her.

We need to elect a new IC in her stead.. and one that a Doctor/Jailer can actually protect

[profii]

WAIT! I knew I was forgetting something.. CARCA IS ASCETIC. She's ALREADY dead.

Or is she? Wifom

Is the assumption I'm making

She explicitly claimed it when the Voyeur said a Doctor visited her.

We need to elect a new IC in her stead.. and one that a Doctor/Jailer can actually protect

I'll re read I thought garmr was trying to help which caused that but if it's true then fine make a new IC

[EeveeLution Army]

There was only one kill last night right?

[profii]

@profii: Who should I vote? Give me 2-3 options please

I was actually going to put forward Rick Dalton because I have only seen him hard buddy someone as scum (in overkill 2 actually - hebichan) but in the mafia PT of that game he said hed do it as town anyway

On the one hand you could say he is hard buddying our IC on the other hand you can say carca may well die soon so it's not a major scum asset to buddy an IC so openly anyway

Kinda back to square 1 I suppose

I'm happy ish with my Bob vote - though he did say look at his scum hunting on kop, who is a player who has lurked as scum with me before so that could even be as simple as "I'll bus my buddy the goon as I am the PR"

I'll be looking into tchill in work lunch breaks to try and decide what my thoughts are there

[Billy Pilgrim]

@Rick Dalton

Do you not think that a neapolitan basically has negative town utility in a role madness game? Specifically in a game that no one knows is role madness?

the term you're looking for is

USELESS

. Negative Utility HARMS the Town, and Nea -albeit useless- does NOT hurt the town. It doesn't give us false results. It doesn't prevent other TPRs from doing their job. It doesn't result in extra kills. So, no.. Nea is NOT a Negative Utility.

Yeah but from my perspective lets just say there are zero vanillas in the game and no one knows that as a fact. In fact, for the sake of this thought process, assume it hasn't even been talked about at all and assume the neapolitan assumes a "standard" ratio of VT to PR exists. If that neapolitan is targeting his scumreads then he is more likely to think that they are scum than PR when they come back as "not vanilla", right?

So if there are no vanillas in the game and the neapolitan is using his power in this way then isn't he more likely to advocate for potential mislynches, especially if he doesn't publicly disclose WHY he thinks his target is scummy?

Like unless I am missing something there is literally NO benefit to a neapolitan in a game with no vanillas, in which case the above logic makes me believe it would be negative town utility.

This logic makes sense to me, but I could also be dumb here.

[Billy Pilgrim]

Ok, I'll be the IC or I'll get a guilty on a claimed vanilla cop. Check me I'm a VT.

No one else claim VT. Jailer can be on me to keep me alive. I'm not going anywhere. Although if there's a possibility that scum have a watcher maybe don't be on me.

[Rick Dalton]

@profii: Who should I vote? Give me 2-3 options please

I was actually going to put forward Rick Dalton because I have only seen him hard buddy someone as scum (in overkill 2 actually - hebichan) but in the mafia PT of that game he said hed do it as town anyway

On the one hand you could say he is hard buddying our IC on the other hand you can say carca may well die soon so it's not a major scum asset to buddy an IC so openly anyway

Kinda back to square 1 I suppose

I'm happy ish with my Bob vote - though he did say look at his scum hunting on kop, who is a player who has lurked as scum with me before so that could even be as simple as "I'll bus my buddy the goon as I am the PR"

I'll be looking into tchill in work lunch breaks to try and decide what my thoughts are there

I’m just a flirt.

[Rick Dalton]

VOTE: Eevee

[Rick Dalton]

@profii: Who should I vote? Give me 2-3 options please

I was actually going to put forward Rick Dalton because I have only seen him hard buddy someone as scum (in overkill 2 actually - hebichan) but in the mafia PT of that game he said hed do it as town anyway

On the one hand you could say he is hard buddying our IC on the other hand you can say carca may well die soon so it's not a major scum asset to buddy an IC so openly anyway

Kinda back to square 1 I suppose

I'm happy ish with my Bob vote - though he did say look at his scum hunting on kop, who is a player who has lurked as scum with me before so that could even be as simple as "I'll bus my buddy the goon as I am the PR"

I'll be looking into tchill in work lunch breaks to try and decide what my thoughts are there

I’m just a flirt.

But really I’m just a flirt to myself. You should see the way I look at myself in the mirror.

[Rick Dalton]

Profii, JJD modded Overkill 2 and saw everything I did that game.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

You should see the way I look at myself in the mirror.

Narcissist peacock! (AP spells it with double e and a space)

[Rick Dalton]

Pretty sure Eevee accidentally said something they didn’t mean to, not necessarily a slip, but they didn’t want to take a specific type of discussion into the game, so now they’re questioning stuff like “there was only 1 kill, right?”

Like a playing dumb defense.

[EeveeLution Army]

I actually couldn't remember exactly but i was pretty certain about it

[Billy Pilgrim]

Pretty sure Eevee accidentally said something they didn’t mean to, not necessarily a slip, but they didn’t want to take a specific type of discussion into the game, so now they’re questioning stuff like “there was only 1 kill, right?”

Like a playing dumb defense.

I see what this is in reference to and that makes sense.

VOTE: Eevee

[bob3141]

I am not a fan of Bob. He initially voted for Elements for reasons 'setup spec'ing very early' etc

He then left the wagon, but came back when the lynch actually went through and when he put his vote on he said he didn't believe the macho/one shot claim.

My concern is that if I am casing a slot for being scummy I'd be like "woah guys I'm voting elements because he was setup speccing over in this post, plus now look at this macho claim it's gotta be BS" - i.e. case the whole ISO for a scum evidence - Bob didnt mention his initial setup spec concern when he votes due to his claim concern, which makes me believe he is looking for a reason to be on the wagon rather than actual scum hunting properly.

VOTE: Bob3141

Obviously I will hear him out but I'm just going to vote there for now.

I've looked at Tchill's ISO and someone is going to have to take me through the case here, he doesn't come across super town of the players I've looked at so far but I dont think he is the most scummy either at this point unless I've missed something of course.

So you wanted a lynch to go through but didnt care who?

That seems pretty reachy to me. Are you going to pick out everyone that voted for elements early in day one. By the time elementis made his watcher claim i was already sorting him as town. With me even calling out those who continued to push him.

Wasn't with till after his one shot macho watcher claim plus himself voting that made me reluctantly vote for him.

Straight watcher i believed. Macho watcher could be possible role but no townie should have mentioned the macho bit. Added to all that self voting. It just looked bad for town

Oneshot talk tipped me over the edge when it came to voting for him. I cant see why he mentioned that as he flipped just a macho watcher. I wonder if he was responding to once

per a night

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I find it odd you overlook my scum hunting aswell. Did you not think kop has been scummy this game. Has he not done anything in your opinion to justify my vote on him before the wtacher saga. For you to think that doesnt even count as scum hunting.

He has yet to answer any of my points i think

I honestly think he shouldn't have said macho. He was in a really bad position as either faction. I probably shouldnt have voted him myself but i really wanted a lynch to go through and he became too much of a liability unfortunately.

[bob3141]

ment to be in above post


So eve you wanted a lynch to go through but did care who?

Also it looks like you are saying you lynched someone you thought was town.

[EeveeLution Army]

It was quite clear he had put himself into a corner. And i doubt anything i said would have managed to pull off the lynches required to get someone else lynched. Me thinking he was town couldnt save him. Also better safe than sorry just incase it was a terrible slip as scum

[bob3141]

VC 2.1

Tchill13 - (7):

- gobbledygook, Billy Pilgrim, Hopkirk, Cliff Booth, Titus, Hectic, Garmr

bob4131 - (2):

- profii, Alonzo

Garmr - (1):

texcat

Hopkirk - (1):

AaronFrost

Not Voting:

Kop, Rick Dalton, Hectic, EeveeLution Army, Judge Joseph Dredd, Carcalilly, davesaz, bob3141

With 19 alive, it takes 10 to lynch.

Deadline:

(expired on 2019-10-10 05:35:11)

id say theres at least on scum on me atm. maybe 2.

hop and cliff is where id look first.

more so hop.

billy is prob town thats just going with the flow. idk about the rest.

What do you think of the sidewagon on bob?

Your asking tchill what he thinks about the votes on me. Yet what do you think of the votes on me?

You havnt mentioned anything about me all game i think. yet your asking someone who is being wagoned what

What do you hope to learn if you have no view on my alignment?

[bob3141]

It was quite clear he had put himself into a corner. And i doubt anything i said would have managed to pull off the lynches required to get someone else lynched. Me thinking he was town couldnt save him. Also better safe than sorry just incase it was a terrible slip as scum

So you thought he was town and was going to get lynched. But why not then simply try and push another lynch and only switching to elementes when deadlien approached. Afterall we had a 4 day extension due to players needing to be replaced

[bob3141]

Hmm. I can see that.

We are somewhat confident a doctor or jker exists because of one kill.

If its doctor they should be on mason

why are you directing any protective onto a claimed aesthetic mason?

[Carcalilly]

Eevee wagon is worse than Tchill wagon

[Carcalilly]

Hmm. I can see that.

We are somewhat confident a doctor or jker exists because of one kill.

If its doctor they should be on mason

why are you directing any protective onto a claimed aesthetic mason?

Probably just missed it