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[gobbledygook]

@gobble: Neapolitan only check for Vanilla Townies. They get the result of Vanilla Townie/Not Vanilla Townie. Everyone who is not explicitly a VT will give Not VT. Informed is not VT. Goon is not VT. Town Doctor, Mafia Roleblocker, SK.. etc are all obviously NOT VANILLA TOWN

Ooh. A more specific vanilla cop.

[gobbledygook]

I’m debating certain things internally with EeveeLution. Will get back to you in the morning.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

I’m debating certain things internally with EeveeLution. Will get back to you in the morning.

You share a PT with Evee???? Interesting!

[Carcalilly]

I'm using my conftown status to overstep and it's kinda nice tbh

[Carcalilly]

Eevee wagon is worse than Tchill wagon

Is it Rick? And if not, then what's concerning you about it?

Eevee is an equally lazy push that seems more genuine
But I guess it has some merit, far from enough for me to support it though

[EeveeLution Army]

I honestly think he shouldn't have said macho. He was in a really bad position as either faction. I probably shouldnt have voted him myself but i really wanted a lynch to go through and he became too much of a liability unfortunately.

Reminding myself to check a few things.
1. How much time was available at the point in the wagon of Eevee's vote?
2. Was there really time pressure? The mod implied an extension, did that happen before or after the vote? Was there posting after the vote?
3. Did Eevee state a concrete position at that point in time?

Not the only vote I'm planning to look at, but comfortably in the middle of the list.

Titus, good to hear and yes rest for sure!

We had a bona fide tornado warning and funnel cloud sighting right in my neighborhood about 45 minutes ago, which makes 3 this week in southern AZ.
It broke up pretty fast and no effects at my house, but I had a nervous drive home.

Post 1) have you checked on those things yet and if so could you state some. Youve put yourself in an awkward position

Post 2) i dont know what to think about this but im trying to tie dave and titus together

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

im trying to tie dave and titus together

Go to the Boon Wars thread(s). They've been a team in them.

[gobbledygook]

I’m debating certain things internally with EeveeLution. Will get back to you in the morning.

You share a PT with Evee???? Interesting!

No PT with Eevee, but I see your smarm.

[Carcalilly]

Anyone else want to say something stupidly incriminating for everyone to easily jump on?

[davesaz]

@Rick Dalton

Do you not think that a neapolitan basically has negative town utility in a role madness game? Specifically in a game that no one knows is role madness?

I had a game where the majority of the town were informed and the neo was there to hunt out the few vanilla townies as scum were informed as well.

There are something like 6 pages to read but I'll choose this point in my read to give my position on this point since it's getting activity.
Roles like neapolitan are useful to catch people in lies. Scum who claim vanilla can be caught out as not vanilla for example.
I don't think of any investigative as being negative utility per se. Maybe you're thinking weak vs strong in which case it's weak unless you happen to catch a lie and then it's strong.
Outing the results can be anti-town / negative utility depending on context. You have to think a little with a role like that.

All of the above is generic theory. @Cliff I'm a little concerned at why you want to say you're negative utility but I don't want to probe further.

[AaronFrost]

Aaron is a nice balance between goofy and insightful although I sometimes forget about his presence in this game

sorry pal

It's fine. Lots of big personalities in this game lol.

[AaronFrost]

Eevee is an okay wagon right now, I like it much better than the Tchill wagon. I briefly mentioned in my catch-up post upon replacing in that I was scum-leaning her for posting mostly fluff and focusing too much on an inactive slot and that opinion hasn't really changed much, just been repressed by stronger scum reads.

VOTE: Eevee

[AaronFrost]

Anyone else want to say something stupidly incriminating for everyone to easily jump on?

Sure I'll get right on that.

[Carcalilly]

Thanks boo

[Cliff Booth]

@Rick Dalton

Do you not think that a neapolitan basically has negative town utility in a role madness game? Specifically in a game that no one knows is role madness?

Not if there actually is a Vanilla and you find it.

Actually if somebody is a Vanilla Townie, they should claim it.

That way, Cliff can check them, and they can become conf town.

I never claimed to be a nea

I blame cliff
VOTE: cliff booth

I literally said I didn't want anyone to claim... and I never claimed nea

flirting is my weakness, I'll hop into anyone's pocket given enough positive attention :'(

... hey there

Anyone else want to say something stupidly incriminating for everyone to easily jump on?

I would but my buddies in the PT said that would be a bad idea

[Cliff Booth]

I thought I already made it pretty clear why I thought NEA would be negative town utility with no VTs.

However I am NOT A NEA.

People keep putting words in my mouth

[Cliff Booth]

Maybe I misread dave and he isn't part of the "cliff claimed nea" mindset but yeah. I think my role probably isn't negative town utility. I still think nea could be with no VTs but I am not nea and I think mine might just be useless

[Rick Dalton]

To be fair, I too got a little sketched out about the speed of Eevee, but like I said, I believe she had a line of thinking with that cover up question that Billy Pilgrim also saw, and JJD sand I also were connected in specific things, so I feel like I’m correct in thinking Eevee is scum, and that possibly scum is bussing here? I don’t know where.

Probably AF.

Oh, Carcalilly is probably defending her scum buddy, because she’s super obv scum.

[Rick Dalton]

@Carcapretty - Why is Eevee a lazy push? I think we have rather strong reasons to believe she’s scum. The multiple kill outlet feels like she knew that there was a missed kill somewhere, and then she tried to hide the fact subtly with a cover up question and tried to play dumb about it, which she seems to now be backtracking off of.

Also, when we came to the creation of the Neapolitan-VT plan, she was trying to stop that from happening.

Eevee scum heavily implies Cliff-Billy town as well, just through that alone.

[Carcalilly]

why the fuck do you two always happen to post at 3 in the morning for me?

[Carcalilly]

Sorry, Cliff, I though you did, but turns out someone else claimed for you. I blame them.

VOTE: Rick dalton

[Carcalilly]

@Carcapretty - Why is Eevee a lazy push? I think we have rather strong reasons to believe she’s scum. The multiple kill outlet feels like she knew that there was a missed kill somewhere, and then she tried to hide the fact subtly with a cover up question and tried to play dumb about it, which she seems to now be backtracking off of.

Also, when we came to the creation of the Neapolitan-VT plan, she was trying to stop that from happening.

Eevee scum heavily implies Cliff-Billy town as well, just through that alone.

Because Eevee, throughout this entire game, has

always

had an awkward demeanor disadvantage that goes against what most people on this site has. The way they worded their stuff you all might see as a scum-backminded sort but it just fits the way they've been talking the whole time.
A lot of off-site mafia games are more casual-minded than mafscum so I feel like the fluff they've got on might be residue from that.
I know it seems like I'm pulling stuff out of my ass but I was the first one on Eevee extensivly, I believe. You all have valid reasons but I have to adamantly disagree-- I'll stop tryin to detail the wagon but I still get the obligatory I told you so Incase they flip.

Also, quit flattering me, I'm trying to push you here.

[Carcalilly]

And I'm pretty sure they're not the only one to mention an alternative killing faction. I'm too lazy to look it up right now, though.

[Carcalilly]

Oh, Carcalilly is probably defending her scum buddy, because she’s super obv scum.

don't make me fucking eat you alive, son

[Carcalilly]

hey cliff, you sure partnering with Dalton will do you good here?