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[EeveeLution Army]

When did i push a lynch on billy? Show me

[davesaz]

@Carca: 3 different people saw the same thing. I suggest we wait for the likes of dave, Titus & profii to weigh in on this specific issue. Why these 3? Because I know they're analytical in their play. They'll probably be able to tell us if this is "nothing" as you suggest it to be.

Still catching up (yeah I know, slow going). I think I noticed the thing that's being discussed, but it's been all day since so I'll have to jump back there after I'm done.

[davesaz]

Post 1) have you checked on those things yet and if so could you state some. Youve put yourself in an awkward position

No, and I don't think that word means what you think it does.

[davesaz]

Maybe I misread dave and he isn't part of the "cliff claimed nea" mindset but yeah. I think my role probably isn't negative town utility. I still think nea could be with no VTs but I am not nea and I think mine might just be useless

Your second thought is correct, I clearly stated that my post was theory.
Still have that question on why you think it's beneficial to discuss your role possibly being neg util or useless.

[davesaz]

My gawd the site is slow but I'm caught up, possibly because the response time meant people had to stop posting. It's past 1am, not gonna try to slog through going back.

[gobbledygook]

Having a hard time with site in general. Will try back tonight

[Hopkirk]

Looks like Tex and Aaron are straight up scumclaiming.

Either that or very selectively reading and misrepresenting.

I said I have 3 scumreads. These are the three people I'd vote for today. You're presenting me saying I'd prefer to vote for tchill (who I'm voting now) and Aaron (who I voted earlier) as saying I backtracked. I'd prefer to vote Billy over anyone except Tchill/Aaron as is absolutely clear from my words and vote history. Texcat, I'd like you to reread then substantially expand on what you thought I meant because I'm struggling to see how town could reach that conclusion legitimately.

[Hopkirk]

Things I've said that Aaron is conveniently ignoring

- I've had the three of them in my scumreads D1 too. I said they were all independently scummy and now they've got groupscum points.

Aaron is suggesting I'm only scumreading them as a group.

- I'm voting Tchill/said earlier I'd vote Aaron too. I didn't change my vote to Billy.

Aaron is implying I want to start a billy wagon. The obvious inference from what I said is that Billy is my third preference vote. Aaron is suggesting both that me not voting Billy is a scummy backtrack, and suggesting at the same time that I was trying to push Billy. Can't have it both ways. Definitely misrepresenting the read.

[Cliff Booth]

hey cliff, you sure partnering with Dalton will do you good here?

he's town

[Cliff Booth]

I don't want you to eat rope today since it's worth testing that theory, and Aaron/Tchill were bigger independent scumreads than you today. I've voted/ want to lynch Tchill/Aaron today.

How would we test that theory? Cliff backed away from what looked like a claim. So now I'm a claimed VT with no one investigating as far as I can tell.

show me where I claimed nea

[Cliff Booth]

Still have that question on why you think it's beneficial to discuss your role possibly being neg util or useless.

is it not obvious?

[texcat]

Painfully slow....

Looks like Tex and Aaron are straight up scumclaiming.

Either that or very selectively reading and misrepresenting.

I said I have 3 scumreads. These are the three people I'd vote for today. You're presenting me saying I'd prefer to vote for tchill (who I'm voting now) and Aaron (who I voted earlier) as saying I backtracked. I'd prefer to vote Billy over anyone except Tchill/Aaron as is absolutely clear from my words and vote history. Texcat, I'd like you to reread then substantially expand on what you thought I meant because I'm struggling to see how town could reach that conclusion legitimately.

And Hopkirk has earned a FOS for his suggestion about lynching Billy, followed by a quick reversal.

Yeah, reversal is the wrong word there. What earned you the fos was that you had Billy in your list of 3 when he's a definite town read for me because of the vt claim. When Carca asked about the VT claim, I would have expected a townie to say something like oh yeah I forgot about it; I'm taking Billy off the list. Instead you said

I don't want you to eat rope today since it's worth testing that theory, and Aaron/Tchill were bigger independent scumreads than you today. I've voted/ want to lynch Tchill/Aaron today.

And you never answered Billy's question about how exactly we were going to test that theory. You backtracked by saying that you don't want him to eat rope today, but you seem to still be open to lynching him and that seems scummy to me.

Still have that question on why you think it's beneficial to discuss your role possibly being neg util or useless.

is it not obvious?

NO.

[profii]

Is the forum broke or is it just me ? Saw something yesterday in site chat but I'm still struggling to get on

[Billy Pilgrim]

I don't want you to eat rope today since it's worth testing that theory, and Aaron/Tchill were bigger independent scumreads than you today. I've voted/ want to lynch Tchill/Aaron today.

How would we test that theory? Cliff backed away from what looked like a claim. So now I'm a claimed VT with no one investigating as far as I can tell.

show me where I claimed nea

You didnt. You just had a discussion about how your role was negative utility. Then you have an example about how nea would be negative utility in a game with no vts. Then Dredd and Rick built off that discussion to suggest the claim. So while you didnt claim, it wasn't like the inference was unreasonable. And if you notice, I didnt say you claimed. I said what looks like a claim.

[Billy Pilgrim]

When did i push a lynch on billy? Show me

+1 on this Aaron.

Eevee did say that if I was VT she didnt think that I should be the lynch but that it's a tough call. She didnt push me. This happened right after she said my VT claim was opportunistic.

I think Eevee's playing weird, but I dont know if its scum. I legit dont have a grasp of this game at all, but I think this may be a spot to target.

VOTE: Aaron

[Carcalilly]

billy you're being kind of weird with your voting rn

[Billy Pilgrim]

billy you're being kind of weird with your voting rn

Yeah, that's probably fair. I think I'm agreeing with you on Eevee at the moment. I'm game to lynch either Aaron or chill at the moment. I dont know that outside of you I have any good townreads. But I should probably be on one of the two wagons, and Eevee's play recently has seemed more weird then scummy, so I'm back to tchill.

VOTE: tchill

[bob3141]

Another day of pages taking forever to load

[Carcalilly]

Hmm, do you think that the interactions between your scumreads indicate them being on a team? Does their relation effect your reads in any way?

The slowdown is kinda fixed for me :'>

[Carcalilly]

hopkirk your stance on the Tex slot is weird ngl

[Rick Dalton]

Slowdown is getting better for me too. Honestly, I wasn’t about playing while the slowdown was happening

[Garmr]

VC 2.2

Tchill13 - (7):

- gobbledygook, Hopkirk, Cliff Booth, Titus, Hectic, Garmr Billy Pilgrim

EeveeLution Army - (4):

- Judge Joseph Dread, Rick Dalton,, , AaronFrost,Texcat

bob4131 - (2):

- profii, Alonzo

Rick Dalton - (1):

- Carcalilly

AaronFrost - (1):

-bob4131

Not Voting:

Kop, Hectic, EeveeLution Army

With 19 alive, it takes 10 to lynch.

Deadline:

(expired on 2019-10-10 05:35:11)

Updated vote count.

So a tldr version of reads

not including masons

I can go into more detail if wanted.
Rick Dalton-town because scum wouldn't argue against the mason claim also I liked them so far.

Titus- Gut and experience with her.

Bob- With experience with both games this is more in line with his town game as he seems more cautious and less involved in his scum unless someone drags him in.

Judge Dread-Actively trying to solve the game, been town reading them for a while.

Cliff- This dwells on the fact if it's multiscum or not due to wagon speed.

Scum

Profii- He contrast the last game I played with him. None of his opinions are to out there his not trying to drive the game and spreading paranoia that will cost town the game.

Hopkirk- Reasons I stated before.

Tchill- His lack of involvement and how his wagon formed.

The rest are nullish.

Will comment on eevee through. They haven't really done much of anything but setup spec isn't a scummy thing to do unless it's information town doesn't have.

[Garmr]

Also would like to bring up something Elements pretty much guessed the other town roles (somewhat close with the tracker instead I'm a voyeur) from his role alone mad respect there.

[Alonzo]

Intent to L2 tchill

[AaronFrost]

What do you think of Billy's VT claim?

I can see it as an opportunistic claim from mafia but it would put them in an extremely bad situation unless scum has a way to stop nea. If he is vt idt we should lynch him but its a tough call

Okay so when I first read this post, I interpreted it as you were okay with lynching Billy, but now that I look back yeah I'm not sure why I interpreted it that way. Sorry about that.