Open 767: Nomination Mafia [Day 7]

[mutantdevle]

VOTE: Menalque

So you think that both pisskop and I are town?

What does my vote has to do with my read on both of you?

Also I said I didn't find anyone particularly mefia-y but I am being cautious. I think the case on you is terrible and people are already getting biased towards your answers (Awoo)

The subtext of my post about Menalque was that if both pisskop and I are town then his stance on the situation being SvS makes it incredibly likely that he himself is scum. You voted for him after that so I assumed that meant that you agreed with that assessment and placing a vote from the perspective of reading myself and pisskop as town.

[mutantdevle]

Mutant, why did you unvote Pisskop?

Because I was never suspicious of him. The only motivation behind my vote was to generate content. I obviously expected reactions to be negative towards me but I didn't expect those reactions to be so strong-felt and static. I thought a simple "it was clearly an attempt to generate content" would have resolved the situation in terms of conflict towards me and then that from there we could analyse different people's opinions about it and get into proper game conversation.

[Awoo]

Joey talk to me about why mutant is textbook town.

Mutant tell me why you are town in short easy to read sentences. Keep in mind that I have trouble understanding words with more then 3 syllables.

[mutantdevle]

@mod can you update the players post to show the names of the players who replaced in please?


Okay reads time:

Joey - I think he's town. Undoubtedly there's some bias there due to him defending me but I don't think that's strong enough to invalidate this read. He's honestly one of the few people that's making sense since he sees this wagon against me as ludicrously as I do and I don't think it comes from a place of trying to buddy up with me. (Is it called buddying? I can't remember).

Norwegianboy - I would have thought that he'd defend me more than he has and I actually think he's town because of it. Especially given his recent defence was made towards someone claiming to know me and at a time where it looks like I'm pretty fucked. I think that if he was mafia then he wouldn't have said anything to Awoo as it would benefit him to just let another player strongly believe that I'm scum. He also seems different here than in recent previous games I've played with him. It might just be the extended day length (days are 48-72 hours on the EE forums) but he was scum in those recent games that I'm comparing his behaviour here to so I think that difference I'm noticing is that he is town.

Awoo - I think he is scum. If he hadn't had said he was from the EE forums then I wouldn't think this. But if he is Kira from the EE forums then I do think his actions are scum motivated. This quote by Norwegianboy is what first started making me think that:

This is a nightless game. We get a say in every single player who dies. Mutant needs to go.
VOTE: mutantdevle

Because you see him as a threat to scum or because you believe he might be scum?

As some context, on the EE forums there's a strong consensus that I'm seen as a strong threat to the town when I'm mafia and a strong threat to the mafia when I'm town. The main reason being that on the EE forums I usually fall into the role of a town leader. So if he is scum then he'd strongly desire to get rid of me and he'd especially want this lynch to go through given, as he points out, the game is nightless. Being from the EE forums he should also know that everything I've said in my defence about my qualities and how I play the game is true and that the kind of thing he's accusing me of faking is exactly the kind of thing I'd do as town.

Creature - Null. He's not posted enough for any read to be significant.

Pisskop - Scum lean. The way they've orchestrated the wagon against me just feels too manipulative to be solely motivated by pressuring me as I feel like they came to the conclusion that I needed to die very early on. That said, my gut is telling me they are town. But right now I'm not listening to it, possibly because my logical conclusion is that the are scum, possibly out of spite.

Titus - Scum. If pisskop is town then I think there is still a strong chance that Titus is scum and, although she's done less pushing, I think she's scummier. The fact that her strong scum read comes from a position of watching from the side rather than directly pressuring me like pisskop has is part of why I think she's scummier. Based on pisskop's and Titus' interactions I feel like either they are scum partners who have delivered a strong push against me or Titus is using the opportunity to buddy up with pisskop to make him trust her. Either way it points to Titus being scum. Nothing she's said has convinced me that she thinks I'm scum for merely placing that vote.

Menalque - Null. Aside from what I've previously mentioned, he's not done anything significant for me to read him either way. My gut is telling me he's scum in the same way it tells me pisskop is town.

Dongempire - Town lean. There's nothing scummy about it's posts and I've generally liked what it has posted. Again, might be slight bias there, but it has shown more efforts to solve the game than just what's been going on with me and pisskop. Also, I think it's worth mentioning that Dongempire and Norwegianboy probably aren't on a scum team based on its post #17. That might be relevant later if I'm wrong about either of them.

PMysterious - Same as Creature.

Correspondence - When they placed their vote on me I checked their meta to see if they're always this weird and turns out they are. I hate players like these because they're impossible to read. But hey, that's probably not going to be my problem.

[mutantdevle]

Mutant tell me why you are town in short easy to read sentences. Keep in mind that I have trouble understanding words with more then 3 syllables.

No one has explained how my vote on pisskop was scummy. When I ask, they refuse to say. There is nothing else against me.

[Titus]

I'll catch up this afternoon but I am not a fan of mutant lying.

I never refuse to explain a read.

[Menalque]

I love when I get turn up into a thread and town has already caught scum and then scum just spends their time confirming it

Titus/pk town

joey/mutant scum

[Awoo]

Shoutout to melanque for being 2 for 2 in saying something I'm thinking before I am

[Joey_]

VOTE: Menalque

So you think that both pisskop and I are town?

What does my vote has to do with my read on both of you?

Also I said I didn't find anyone particularly mefia-y but I am being cautious. I think the case on you is terrible and people are already getting biased towards your answers (Awoo)

The subtext of my post about Menalque was that if both pisskop and I are town then his stance on the situation being SvS makes it incredibly likely that he himself is scum. You voted for him after that so I assumed that meant that you agreed with that assessment and placing a vote from the perspective of reading myself and pisskop as town.

Joey talk to me about why mutant is textbook town.

Mutant tell me why you are town in short easy to read sentences. Keep in mind that I have trouble understanding words with more then 3 syllables.

@Mutant can you link me a scum game of yours

@Awoo: I am in class/lazy and I dont really want to deal w/ the site lag but basically, I don't read any agenda in mutant's posts as in, scum agenda. His reaction and posts is basically how I expect town to react from a push like that, again YMMV

What part of Menalque 182 did you mirror?

@Menalque: Can you explain further? You think Mutant and I are SvsS?

[Creature]

@Creature: you said you wouldn't flake, so are you going to start doing something? Nothing you said was game related so far

Blame the fucking site, it takes 5+ minutes to load a fucking page

[Creature]

Hey maybe it is back to normal

[Creature]

HOW DO WE SOLVE THIS GAME?

Why is this still a meme?

[Creature]

More like how do mafia win the game when im town

What if you mafia?

[chennisden]

Thank god the site is loading.

VC 1.3:

Mutantdevle (5)	pisskop 37, Titus 42, Correspondence 108, Menalque 124, Awoo 128
Titus (1)	Dongempire 63
Menalque (1)	Joey_ 158
Not Voting (4)	Creature, NorwegianboyEE 64, mutantdevle 75, PMysterious 118

[chennisden]

@mod can you update the players post to show the names of the players who replaced in please?

Done.

[Awoo]

Joey, who is scum & y?

[Joey_]

Joey, who is scum & y?

Probably a melange of an early townread wolf + 1/2 irrelevant slots who either posted or are yet to. I townlean most active players

[Joey_]

Joey, who is scum & y?

Considering I found you as town pretty fast, why wouldn't consider I am also correct on mutant?

Why do you ask me specifically about my reads? You implied earlier that you agreed with menalque post which included a part where he mentionned I was scum. Do you share that read?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I love when I get turn up into a thread and town has already caught scum and then scum just spends their time confirming it

Can you explain what you mean in more detail?

[Titus]

Thank god the site is loading.

VC 1.3:

Mutantdevle (5)	pisskop 37, Titus 42, Correspondence 108, Menalque 124, Awoo 128
Titus (1)	Dongempire 63
Menalque (1)	Joey_ 158
Not Voting (4)	Creature, NorwegianboyEE 64, mutantdevle 75, PMysterious 118

L minus one, does readwall, votes no one

I'll be checking the posts in a bit but can we get intent? Mutant is clearly trying to piss no one off.

[Titus]

Norwegianboy - I would have thought that he'd defend me more than he has and I actually think he's town because of it. Especially given his recent defence was made towards someone claiming to know me and at a time where it looks like I'm pretty fucked. I think that if he was mafia then he wouldn't have said anything to Awoo as it would benefit him to just let another player strongly believe that I'm scum. He also seems different here than in recent previous games I've played with him. It might just be the extended day length (days are 48-72 hours on the EE forums) but he was scum in those recent games that I'm comparing his behaviour here to so I think that difference I'm noticing is that he is town.

This read is blatant AtE at the newbie and manipulation.

What site is EE?

[Titus]

position of watching from the side rather than directly pressuring me like pisskop has is part of why I think she's scummier

Fiction

[Titus]

That said, my gut is telling me they are town. But right now I'm not listening to it, possibly because my logical conclusion is that the are scum, possibly out of spite.

Hey pisskop! If you quit voting scum, they'll townread you!

[Titus]

As some context, on the EE forums there's a strong consensus that I'm seen as a strong threat to the town when I'm mafia and a strong threat to the mafia when I'm town. The main reason being that on the EE forums I usually fall into the role of a town leader. So if he is scum then he'd strongly desire to get rid of me and he'd especially want this lynch to go through given, as he points out, the game is nightless. Being from the EE forums he should also know that everything I've said in my defence about my qualities and how I play the game is true and that the kind of thing he's accusing me of faking is exactly the kind of thing I'd do as town.

BoP defense, I'm too good to be wagoned by homesite players if they're town

[Titus]

Joey - I think he's town. Undoubtedly there's some bias there due to him defending me but I don't think that's strong enough to invalidate this read. He's honestly one of the few people that's making sense since he sees this wagon against me as ludicrously as I do and I don't think it comes from a place of trying to buddy up with me. (Is it called buddying? I can't remember).

Look at me, I'm a wounded puppy dog and Joey buys it so town