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[AaronFrost]

Looks like Tex and Aaron are straight up scumclaiming.

Either that or very selectively reading and misrepresenting.

I said I have 3 scumreads. These are the three people I'd vote for today. You're presenting me saying I'd prefer to vote for tchill (who I'm voting now) and Aaron (who I voted earlier) as saying I backtracked. I'd prefer to vote Billy over anyone except Tchill/Aaron as is absolutely clear from my words and vote history. Texcat, I'd like you to reread then substantially expand on what you thought I meant because I'm struggling to see how town could reach that conclusion legitimately.

So why bring up Billy at all then? Why not just say "I want to lynch between Aaron/Tchill today" and be done with it. No one ever said you had to mention three scumreads.

Also dislike the use of the phrase "straight up scumclaiming."

[AaronFrost]

Things I've said that Aaron is conveniently ignoring

- I've had the three of them in my scumreads D1 too. I said they were all independently scummy and now they've got groupscum points.

Aaron is suggesting I'm only scumreading them as a group.

- I'm voting Tchill/said earlier I'd vote Aaron too. I didn't change my vote to Billy.

Aaron is implying I want to start a billy wagon. The obvious inference from what I said is that Billy is my third preference vote. Aaron is suggesting both that me not voting Billy is a scummy backtrack, and suggesting at the same time that I was trying to push Billy. Can't have it both ways. Definitely misrepresenting the read.

When did I ever imply that you thought me/Tchill/Billy were a scumteam?

And again why were you calling for votes on Billy if you didn't want him to be lynched? It's pretty clear to everyone here that you're scumreading both me and Tchill so why bring up a third option out of nowhere? And one that feels very out of left field.

[AaronFrost]

I forgot Alonzo was in this game tbh.

[Alonzo]

VOTE: Tchill

[Garmr]

Btw if it is multi scum my advice to the scum team is to try and hit the other scum team that way you can +1 yourself then you can focus on town, that way you can win mylo with out convincing town to lynch the other scum. So like don't shoot the town power roles until your in the better position. It helps your team and it helps us town.

[Titus]

I'll try and catch up here later today.

[Carcalilly]

HOLD ON WAIT WE HAVE 7 DAYS LEFT
Please practice caution on voting Tchill

Do we really need this right now??

[Carcalilly]

This game is calling me but I'm also kind of busy. Does someone want to offer being my new mason partner and help me solve this game?

[profii]

spreading paranoia that will cost town the game.

i dont know if I'm reading into that too much...

[profii]

but actually it's a good reason to scum read me i have been relatively apathetic towards this game and expected more scum reasons sooner. It might make you more towny heh

[profii]

I get the tchill push but i always feel like we can do better than going for the lack of activity. I'm also conscious I am guilty of letting inactive scum off the hook on the premise of 'lets hear what they have to say' whilst town rush in and lynch someone else so I'm kinda meh about that.

I recall a bit about Texcat - i dont see the issue with Texcat at all really so I'm not voting there.

Still ok with my bob vote.

Eevee has popped up so let's look there: there is that issue over use of the word "we" in relation to 1 kill. I guess that is interesting as it was pretensed with anything like 'the theory is we believe blah' it was just 'we believe' also looking at the iso I get a kind of undertone of 'my team doesnt seem to have as much PRs as I'd want for such small numbers' hence the comments about the game being stacked or whatever.

Weirdly, if you said to me are you going to vote Eevee or Tchill today and limited me to that lynch pool, I'd probably vote either - my levels of confidence are probably equal and not fully there, however, the reasons are totally different - I'm a little bit paranoid about letting inactivity go (Also Kop sits in here as i've seen him beat me as inactive scum before) however there is some thing going on with Eevee I'm certain but I dont know what

[Billy Pilgrim]

This game is calling me but I'm also kind of busy. Does someone want to offer being my new mason partner and help me solve this game?

I would totally take you up on that, but as you've seen I'm erratic and not that good, so dont know if it would help the solving part of that.

[gobbledygook]

That was rough. Mod can we get a 48 hour extension?

[Carcalilly]

I get the desire for an extension but it looks like we're closing in on a quicklynch

And despite my raging suspicion for Tchill I'm not throwing away the rest of the day to lynch him

[davesaz]

Why would we think an extension is needed with 7 days left?
I get the annoyance with the site being slow and it would certainly be a reason if the current deadline were shorter.

[davesaz]

I don't think Eevee's use of 'we' is AI. It would be reasonable, from the D1 discussion, to assume that most people in the game expect either MB or a SK or even a vig. I don't think anyone argued specifically in the direction of expecting only one kill. Hanging a read on just that word is a little suspect to me. Some people are more likely than others to innocently rush to conclusions on that small of an indicator (vs nefariously trying to incite a lynch), and I haven't had the time to properly look at who is using 'we' as their sole indicator, if there is anyone doing that.

That's not a defense of Eevee, and I don't have a townread there. I find their overall posting to be vaguely scummy, in a mostly gut read kind of way.

I have meetings/events after work 3 days this week, which means my time is more fragmented than usual. I have Friday off so there is at least some time to do deep analysis before deadline comes.

[bob3141]

VC 2.1

Tchill13 - (7):

- gobbledygook, Billy Pilgrim, Hopkirk, Cliff Booth, Titus, Hectic, Garmr

bob4131 - (2):

- profii, Alonzo

Garmr - (1):

texcat

Hopkirk - (1):

AaronFrost

Not Voting:

Kop, Rick Dalton, Hectic, EeveeLution Army, Judge Joseph Dredd, Carcalilly, davesaz, bob3141

With 19 alive, it takes 10 to lynch.

Deadline:

(expired on 2019-10-10 05:35:11)

id say theres at least on scum on me atm. maybe 2.

hop and cliff is where id look first.

more so hop.

billy is prob town thats just going with the flow. idk about the rest.

If you are town what makes your think those two on your wagon are scum over teh others

[EeveeLution Army]

profii should be there if he isnt.

Idt you ever answered me why he should be there.

[EeveeLution Army]

Also we currently only have 2 REAL claims correct? Or am i mistaken?

[bob3141]

Tchill your at L-1 now.

Tchill13 - (7): - gobbledygook, Billy Pilgrim, Hopkirk, Cliff Booth, Titus, Hectic, Garmr, Alonzo

With i think those 8 being teh ones on your wagon

[bob3141]

Also we currently only have 2 REAL claims correct? Or am i mistaken?

I know billy claimed VT and Garmr claimed voyer

Other than that i dont know if any of the others can be taken serously


obvously this doesnt count carc as that been proven by gammas flip

[bob3141]

So we've come to the discovery that after 70 pages the one who was about to be lynched claimed... Shocker.

Someone is "bad" for being suspicious of it. Of course they're new so that fits the narrative.

Pretty funny. Yall really think if we were to actually lynch scum they wouldn't claim right before?

And watcher?.... Who gives a fuck about a watcher? Lol. I doubt it's true. Lynch it with fire. He's just gonna say he's town and that he fake claimed D2 or 3.

That's his gimmick d1. Dude hates d1. Plays wrecklessy because he doesn't care about it. I used to be that guy. I'm still kinda sorta that guy. Especially after d1 gets past PG 20.

I do not like this post at all tchill. At this point elentes hadnt started messing up by self voting or claiming that he was one shot macho watcher.


At this point in the game why did you think it was a fake claim

[bob3141]

In addition i cant see any attempt to question eve. Only you pushing his lynch.

No atempt at you trying discern if his claim is actualy fake by questioning him

intent to hammer Tchill

[EeveeLution Army]

Can you postpone the hammer until we get answers for the above questions

[EeveeLution Army]

Or three days left on dl. Whichever comes first