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[AaronFrost]

Alright so looking through Saladman's meta, so far it does seem pretty consistent with town!Salad. I think my vote is better placed here honestly.

VOTE: Dongempire

Really did not like their case against teacher. teacher wasn't responding to the fact that he was at L-1, he was responding to Spartan when he seemed to imply that he was okay with hammering on page 2 and I think teacher's response is fine because of that. Not necessarily saying it's townie, but it's definitely not scummy.

[Donempire]

Dong immediately after 39:

teacher is a pretty relaxed player overall so i dont think the response is telling.

Dong now, about 39:

teacher was panicking here.

Um, what??

VOTE: Dong

Yup, you just compounded my argument further.
You are a very relaxed player yet you clearly panicked there.
These two things dont contradict, they compliment.

[Donempire]

@Dong

I think aarons reaction to the vote is also pretty bad, it reads as though hes more concerned on where he is at when/if a lynch occurs rather than getting a scum lynch through. The whole convo reads like TvS and if i had to pick a side i'd say aarons the goon here.

Can you elaborate more on this?

Sure can.

At that point i thought town!you would be more concerned with trying to persuade spartan out of l-1ing teacher. Your posts seem more like you're trying to seem reasonable without taking any action, what with asking spartan if he wants a lynch. On surface level it seems like a natural enough question but definitely not the question to be asking at page 2. I think a town response would be more in line with "the fuck?"

[Donempire]

Maybe I'm wrong here, but I legitimately think that teacher thought I was voting for him when I posted 37 so his reaction seemed genuine. He also did explain the implications of L-1 after that. I agree that what I posted there would've been pretty hypocritical if I was voting for teacher at that moment.

What 'bone' do you have to pick with 37?

Im pretty sure that teacher actually thought you were voting him. And his reaction is natural.
For scum.
Expanding on post 102 (or perhaps reiterating) an experienced town player would keep calm and explain spartan that this isnt something he should be doing and level with him. A panicking scum tries to get out of l1 as quickly as possible before a lolhammer.

[Plotinus]

Official Vote Count 1.04

Mechanics Dynamics Aesthetics is a framework for analysing/designing games.

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Lynching

With 9 votes in play, it takes 5 to lynch.

Saladman27

(2): Chibiie, Spartan117

Dongempire

(2): teacher, AaronFrost

Spartan117

(1): Merfin

teacher

(1): Dongempire

Merfin

(1): GeorgeBailey

Not Voting

(2): Yodavader, Saladman27

Deadline:

(expired on 2019-10-09 09:00:00).

Mod notes: I have extended the deadline by 2 days on request. The site has been loading for me these past few days, but excruciatingly slowly. It seems better today, hopefully that lasts.

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[Yodavader]

So, for this whole Teacher at L-1 thing, I understand that it's everyone's reaction to panic. No one wants to be put in that position, especially this early in the game (day 1) and on page 2, and in a newbie game. I am along the lines of Teacher being town at the moment.

Teacher Lynch
Bottom Text

VOTE: Teacher

I understand this was RVS, so no harm, no foul.

Well since there's no point now.

UNVOTE: teacher

This happened after the L-1 issue.

-snip-

What was the point before? If pressure, why not vote Salad or Frost now to build a wagon?

Any actual thoughts on what people have said?

I've been following this thread for the past few days but i'm not quite sure what to gather from anything.

Spartman seems the strangest since he hammered you and almost got you lynched.

VOTE: Spartan117

He says he has been following along but gave a pretty weak answer to teacher's question.

Alright, since teacher's questions didn't really spark up activity levels too much, I'll throw in a question of my own and see where it gets us.

If you had to lynch somebody right now, who would it be and why?

I'd probably lynch Salad. Didn't like his quick unvote after voting Spartan and his vote on Spartan seemed very opportunistic to begin with.

Actually, I think Spartan's actions were more of a "to get the ball rolling" move. Voting Saladman up to L-2 seems like good pressure to get a role read, like he said he wanted.

UNVOTE: Spartan117

-snip-

He goes and does almost the exact same thing that he voted Spartan for. "To get the ball rolling"

VOTE: George

[Chibiie]

From my point of view and my understandings from this game, (disclaimer, this is my first time playing a game of Mafia that lasts DAYS, so gathering info can be pretty hard due to long discussions) I can see that everyone has some kind of logic behind their posts.

IMO, just so I can try and lift a little off my "suspicious" silence and "suspicious" cute name, I will share my thoughts:

Saladman started strong initiating the RVS and voting against teacher, but that's RVS and he voted teacher probably due to previous encounter in a different game, that's how it looks to me. (ofc, I needed more info which was later revealed, I couldn't assume this based on Salad's first post, so thank you for getting more in-depth with your discussion).

Short about Salad: I believe he had a pretty straight and logical play there, showing that they know each other, so they do have some kind of experience reading each other, therefore I UNVOTE: Salad

Dong for some reason seems like he did encounter these two (Salad and teacher) in a previous game, however, there was a sudden shift in your opinion over his calmness and teacher highlighted these himself (post #56 and #102 are contradictory, but posts are in between, moods change with the discussion's flow).

In between there were a couple of other peeps that showed up and these are Aaron, George, Yoda and Spartan, but weren't as influencing to me as the 3 peeps mentioned earlier.

Spartan did have some kind of logic, but it's clear that he hasn't encountered all or even any of you in previous games.

Merfin did pushed me to post since "There is that chiibi person.", however, too little information on me, especially due to lack of participation in the conversation by my side, although I appreciate not putting a vote on me, so I'll call it a soft pat on the back to speak my thoughts.
It looks like he's interested in information and I totally agree, Day 1 is pretty much just chatting on different game subject or general logic just to have grasp of the peeps you're surrounded in-game.

With all said and done, I will currently VOTE: Spartan only because of #38 where he "has no issue with hammering anyone here provided he thinks they are scum."

Sorry for the long post, busy schedule so whenever I make time to post, I try my best to add all info I gathered and present my logic.

[teacher]

These two things dont contradict, they compliment.

Can you please tell me how

• "I dont think the
  response
  is telling" and
  
• "I don't like Teacher's
  response
  "

Are complementary? (teacher-y aside: complEment, not complIment, here). Becuase you posted this after 117, yet failed to respond to it, so this looks like more forced shade.

[teacher]

Reads RN. Anyone want to engage me?

Aaron
Spartan
Salad
Yoda
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Chibi Merfin
________
George
Dong

Also, Dong, why not answer the general questions?

[Donempire]

I myst have missed them, what do you mean by general questions?

[Chibiie]

I’m hating the slowness of the game. I’ve got like 2 reads out of rand and we are a couple days in. Let’s try some getting to know you questions to hopefully start things off into the week. All slots kindly answer.

1. What is your experience at Mafia
2. How do you play as town
3. How do you play as scum
4. What do you think gives away a player as scum or town
5. Time zone/standard posting times

I believe these are the questions, Dong.

[Plotinus]

Spartan117¹ has been prodded. They have (expired on 2019-10-03 07:23:19) to post before I start looking for a replacement.

[AaronFrost]

Reads RN. Anyone want to engage me?

Aaron
Spartan
Salad
Yoda
-----------
Chibi Merfin
________
George
Dong

Also, Dong, why not answer the general questions?

Sure I'll engage.

Why Yoda as a townlean? Why George as a scumlean?

[AaronFrost]

Maybe I'm wrong here, but I legitimately think that teacher thought I was voting for him when I posted 37 so his reaction seemed genuine. He also did explain the implications of L-1 after that. I agree that what I posted there would've been pretty hypocritical if I was voting for teacher at that moment.

What 'bone' do you have to pick with 37?

Im pretty sure that teacher actually thought you were voting him. And his reaction is natural.
For scum.
Expanding on post 102 (or perhaps reiterating) an experienced town player would keep calm and explain spartan that this isnt something he should be doing and level with him. A panicking scum tries to get out of l1 as quickly as possible before a lolhammer.

Wouldn't town want to get out if L-1 as quickly as possible too though for fear of being mislynched? I think panicking when you're at L-1 and about to be hammered on page 2 of a game is a pretty natural reaction regardless of alignment. I'd be much more concerned about teacher's reaction if it was later in the game.

[AaronFrost]

@Dong

I think aarons reaction to the vote is also pretty bad, it reads as though hes more concerned on where he is at when/if a lynch occurs rather than getting a scum lynch through. The whole convo reads like TvS and if i had to pick a side i'd say aarons the goon here.

Can you elaborate more on this?

Sure can.

At that point i thought town!you would be more concerned with trying to persuade spartan out of l-1ing teacher. Your posts seem more like you're trying to seem reasonable without taking any action, what with asking spartan if he wants a lynch. On surface level it seems like a natural enough question but definitely not the question to be asking at page 2. I think a town response would be more in line with "the fuck?"

"The fuck" seems like the kind of reaction someone would give if they're panicking about being at L-1 on page 2, which is the argument that you're using against teacher here. So why would the reaction be town for me, but scum for teacher?

[Yodavader]

I'm sure being at L-1, no matter what point in the game, should make people panic. No one wants to leave the game early.

[Donempire]

@Mod, i'll be vla until 6th of october

V/LA noted --P

[GeorgeBailey]

-snip-

With all said and done, I will currently VOTE: Spartan only because of #38 where he "has no issue with hammering anyone here provided he thinks they are scum."

What's wrong about said statement? We had no reads at the time, and still really don't.

[AaronFrost]

But I don't think teacher is scum just because he panicked at L-1. Wouldn't any role would panick if they're about to be lynched d1 from an RVS?

But I think that you were just scared of being hammered d1 for no reason.

Here's a nice little contradiction looking through George's ISO. He says that it's perfectly reasonable for teacher to panic when he's put at L-1 but then says that there's no reason for him to be afraid of being hammered on D1.

Which is it?

[teacher]

I’m mobile limited Rn but I think for now reason modifies hammered there, not scared. (Is hannered for no reason - not scared for no reason)

(Sorry to but in but it seems like a misread to me)

[GeorgeBailey]

+1 to teacher's post.

I meant being hammered for no reason, not being scared for no reason.

[AaronFrost]

Ah okay I misread that then. Disregard that. My bad.

[GeorgeBailey]

Reads RN. Anyone want to engage me?

Aaron
Spartan
Salad
Yoda
-----------
Chibi Merfin
________
George
Dong

Also, Dong, why not answer the general questions?

Sure I'll engage.

Why Yoda as a townlean? Why George as a scumlean?

But I would also like the answer to Aaron's question. Plus, why do you think Salad is town? (if i'm reading that right).

[teacher]

You are reading it right and that one (+ Aaron’s)requires more typing than I’m willing to do on a small screen so I’ll get back w you tonight.

[teacher]

Spoiler: responding to this

Reads RN. Anyone want to engage me?

Aaron
Spartan
Salad
Yoda
-----------
Chibi Merfin
________
George
Dong

Also, Dong, why not answer the general questions?

Sure I'll engage.

Why Yoda as a townlean? Why George as a scumlean?

But I would also like the answer to Aaron's question. Plus, why do you think Salad is town? (if i'm reading that right).

Taking the questions in order:
Yoda is a townlean mostly by PoE. Meaning I like him better than the two other low-post slots (Merfin or Chibiie) and generally try to limit myself to two w/i rand. I feel like the other two were doing a bit more of an active lurk. Merfin came close to being replaced (which is statistically scummy), avoided my questions, and the push on spartan didn’t feel real. Chibi has been playing the newby card a bit much and didn’t engage the game at all til 131, which felt bandwagonny. As for Yoda himself, kinda liked 72 on balance because of that. Sure, it gives an excuse for lurking which scum!Yoda would want, but it takes away the option to play the newbcard, which I don’t think scum!yoda would give up. I also thought 130 showed a genuine effort to sort.

George was a scumlean because of 80 and 82. I don’t like the “no reason now” – it implies there was a reason before. The only reason I can come up with is pressure. But if that was the reason, there is no reason not to vote another slot, as I said in 81. So there not consistency in approach. The same is true for the 82-111 sequence. In 82, George votes Spartan for making what the board had

already

established was a pressure vote, but then takes the same action himself (pretending to just realize the pressure thing). I will say that I have reevaluated this slot, however, and think it should be higher.

Salad is a townread by meta. I have played with them or modded them at least twice (cant remember which) and they tend to be lynchbaity town. His tone and acknowledgment of this do not strike me as hiding behind meta, but rather trying to help through it. His activity levels alone take him off the table for me in this game which is struggling for content.