Baton Pass [Game Over!]

[Celestial Coordinates]

If no one protects us

I think it's slightly town indicative to be unaware of the setup?

Definitely don't agree with this.

Why? I might be wrong about how AI it is but I've always consider scum more likely to be hyper aware of the setup.

If Nancy has been signed up for an open game for two weeks and doesn't care about the setup enough to read it, then it probably isn't too important to her. If she rolls scum, don't think it becomes super important for her to read the setup now when she's planning on posting and leaving for a while shortly after.

This really isn’t accurate. While I can derp as any alignment and I have, I would be aware as something as basic as the setup. In Gay Dance, I derped as scum wrt to not knowing who the lynches were and why. I was also extremely sick att. So, yeah, for me derping like AtEing isn’t AI but scum!me would most likely have paid attention to this.

[Dannflor]

Btw Dann why do you feel like scum this game?

I was about to ask you the same question funnily enough

[Celestial Coordinates]

I like Shoshin's opening as well, don't think it's incredibly likely for scum to start a tilt on Wisdom for the reasons that she has so far.

I don’t think scum!Shoshin votes us here without pressure. I’ve played with town/scum and SK!Shoshin. RC usually catches scum!Shoshin, so it probably wouldn’t be in her interest to vote us here, unless town.

[Nachomamma8]

I like S_S as well, mostly for the reason Yuk gave (sounds less stiff than he normally does as scum). Picking a lot of fights early + telling people that they are scumreading him because they don't know him are ballsy lines of approach for someone who isn't that comfortable as scum. Yuk's approach to Wisdom early game seemed nonsensical, but don't know that it's alignment indicative or not. Sakura Hana's interactions with Wisdom seem fine, but definitely looking for more on that read.

[Dannflor]

What about me feels like scum, Enter?

[Celestial Coordinates]

Btw Dann why do you feel like scum this game?

I was about to ask you the same question funnily enough

Is this going to be an MG redux? How is Dann scummy here? @Oh

[Nachomamma8]

This really isn’t accurate. While I can derp as any alignment and I have, I would be aware as something as basic as the setup. In Gay Dance, I derped as scum wrt to not knowing who the lynches were and why. I was also extremely sick att. So, yeah, for me derping like AtEing isn’t AI but scum!me would most likely have paid attention to this.

I'm not understanding your point here. You derped as scum in Gay Mafia similar to the derp here and yet the derp here is alignment indicative? Or are you saying just because you made the mistake recently you probably wouldn't do it again?

[Nachomamma8]

I don’t think scum!Shoshin votes us here without pressure. I’ve played with town/scum and SK!Shoshin. RC usually catches scum!Shoshin, so it probably wouldn’t be in her interest to vote us here, unless town.

If someone is afraid of RC then they probably would find a reason to vote him sooner or later - better to have him around for another night than to provoke.

[Oversoul]

I like Shoshin's opening as well, don't think it's incredibly likely for scum to start a tilt on Wisdom for the reasons that she has so far.

I don’t think scum!Shoshin votes us here without pressure. I’ve played with town/scum and SK!Shoshin. RC usually catches scum!Shoshin, so it probably wouldn’t be in her interest to vote us here, unless town.

Disagree with this logic.

[Celestial Coordinates]

literally the only baton pass decision is whether it's me or not and since the risk of losing to me is more salient than the risk of losing because I couldn't influence multiple day phases, I don't expect to convince this game of it and I'm not putting the energy into it since I don't count my hydra w/r anyway

Happy scumday

Oh thanks, didn’t even realize it.

[Oversoul]

As far as setup thoughts go:

People I will never support for first round baton:
RC hydra
Ankamius hydra
Nacho
Wisdom

People I will support for baton:
Myself
Shoshin

Your approach here for the first baton holder seems to be that you're looking for "someone I am 100% confident is town" as opposed to "greatest threat to scum", which is backwards.

Chances are there will be a number of firm townreads that are correct (there usually are), but the person you want to preserve for the next day phase are the people who will make the greatest positive impact.

Sakura, why did you agree with this list? Why is it such a big deal if one of those players were bulletproof N1?

Disagree with this logic and it’s interpretation.

[Dannflor]

Oversoul can you please explain which parts you disagree with and why

[Nachomamma8]

it’s interpretation.

Why did you create that list?

[Celestial Coordinates]

This really isn’t accurate. While I can derp as any alignment and I have, I would be aware as something as basic as the setup. In Gay Dance, I derped as scum wrt to not knowing who the lynches were and why. I was also extremely sick att. So, yeah, for me derping like AtEing isn’t AI but scum!me would most likely have paid attention to this.

I'm not understanding your point here. You derped as scum in Gay Mafia similar to the derp here and yet the derp here is alignment indicative? Or are you saying just because you made the mistake recently you probably wouldn't do it again?

How did you get that from my post? I very clearly stated that while derping is NAI for me, scum!me probably wouldn’t derp about something as basic as the setup. In GD, my derp wasn’t setup related. I just stopped paying attention due to all of the massive hyper posting and being sick, so my point is that the kind of derping I did in GD was NAI. I would do that as town too but I very much doubt scum!me would derp about the basic setup, if that wasn’t clear.

[Oh]

What about me feels like scum, Enter?

Not me.

[Celestial Coordinates]

I don’t think scum!Shoshin votes us here without pressure. I’ve played with town/scum and SK!Shoshin. RC usually catches scum!Shoshin, so it probably wouldn’t be in her interest to vote us here, unless town.

If someone is afraid of RC then they probably would find a reason to vote him sooner or later - better to have him around for another night than to provoke.

I like Shoshin's opening as well, don't think it's incredibly likely for scum to start a tilt on Wisdom for the reasons that she has so far.

I don’t think scum!Shoshin votes us here without pressure. I’ve played with town/scum and SK!Shoshin. RC usually catches scum!Shoshin, so it probably wouldn’t be in her interest to vote us here, unless town.

Disagree with this logic.

But if we get the baton, then scum!Shoshin couldn’t kill us and my point is that she voted us

without pressure

.

And unlike me (as anyone familiar with MG can attest), RC is pretty good at reading Shoshin, so in essence, scum!Shoshin would be making one helluva gambit to not only vote us but remain on our wagon, so yeah, if she suspiciously jimps off and/or tries to divert it, then I would obviously rethink this.

[Celestial Coordinates]

I meant that they don't result in the person getting most votes dying
Anywayy since RVS seems to be off the table we can do some RQS and uhh ask some really personal questions and bond and uhh win this way

Why RQS over RVS?

[Dannflor]

What about me feels like scum, Enter?

Not me.

Oh, interesting.

I assume neither of you are ever going to sign your posts?

Where are your reads at currently?

[Celestial Coordinates]

Top of the morning.

I anticipate that at some point somebody will try to control the entire baton chain. I wish to suggest that, at least for now, we not do this and instead play in the spirit of the setup. Get some organic information.

I'm not sure that specifically "going for the baton" is a strategy scum will undertake or care about.

That is all at this time.

Why not? I think that’s entirely NAI.

[Shoshin]

To be clear, I prefer myself for baton over RC. I just figured nobody would want to protect me over RC so I voted Celestial.

[Celestial Coordinates]

What about me feels like scum, Enter?

Not me.

Oh, interesting.

I assume neither of you are ever going to sign your posts?

Where are your reads at currently?

Probably Ank, what do I win?

[Celestial Coordinates]

To be clear, I prefer myself for baton over RC. I just figured nobody would want to protect me over RC so I voted Celestial.

We can vote you next right? Isn’t the the two players who don’t get it, get lynched?

[Dannflor]

VOTE: Shoshin

[Dannflor]

We're voting for who is going to be bulletproof tonight, Nancy.

[Sakura Hana]

Nancy's town
VOTE: CC