Baton Pass [Game Over!]

[Celestial Coordinates]

Guys, is it possible to avoid a MG Krazy/RC redux?

Oh is just very wrong in not assuming we are the most likely N1 NK.

I haven’t confidently sorted them yet but I don’t want this to wind up in a battle of egos.

I am suspicious that Oh wouldn’t want us protected but Ank doesn’t sound here like she did in Timeshift, so still a null for me.

[Celestial Coordinates]

Quote me saying this.

Quote me saying "in favor of having more information" somewhere. Anywhere.

Also, quote how my style of playing the game removes the ability to have 3 lynches. Please explain that as well.

You're grossly misrepresenting me right now which is why I'm asking you to quote me. I think you're seeing what you believe to be opposition to everything you're doing and then you're assuming the stance I'm taking instead of legitimately trying to understand it.

Ok RC leave us out then, I'm not letting you leash me.

if all the other players who understand how mafia works agree with me that it's incredibly anti-town not to have a lynch chain agreed on support me will you go along or are you just refusing to play this in the optimal way for town

Yeah and what happens when it inevitably doesn't get followed

Even if you leave me out, SOMEONE will break the chain and then it just fucks everything up, and you can't even really call them scum since town are more likely to do that than scum is

Even barring that, I've seen so many towns fall apart from focusing almost entirely on mechanics that I really can't stand behind strategies like this even if it's "optimal"

Just play mafia and build strong townblocks, then use the information from that to narrow down the scumteam

It's better for my sanity that way

And no I'm not going to be leashed to a target, I will choose someone I think is town because I'm not interested in the entire game being about the setup

This shit is how towns get to endgame and realize that there really isn't enough there to reliably fish out the last scum.

It's a TRAP.

Are these both Ankamius?
You're arguing against having set baton pass lynches: true or false?

I don't want you lynched before endgame because you're good at scum.

I want you lynched before endgame because the way you're playing the game is generally toxic, counter-productive to any semblance of approach to Socratic discussion, and overall anti-town.

Please cite a post that's toxic or anti-town.

[Celestial Coordinates]

If RC scumreads me this game pretty sure it means his hydra is scum

RC can’t be wrong?

[Dannflor]

VOTE: Celestial

[YukzYuk]

VOTE: Shoshin

This is the slot I'd like to see not die the most.

[Dannflor]

I'm good with Shoshin as well.

[Shoshin]

Shoshin is Sakura obvtown?

No. I had a brief moment where I thought they might be scum.

[Celestial Coordinates]

Anyone with any mafia experience knows this won't go through in execution no matter how much everyone agrees to it.

i don't think it would be especially hard to make it happen.
in fact i think in most lobbies it would be easy, just that this game has a lot of people who have big ideas

Yes.

So, what? It's against code to ever let my slot go to endgame is what you're saying and this entire argument is coded you refusing to let me influence the game at all because I might be scum?

Find three lobbies where this went through in practice not theory and I'll dismiss my thought of you as someone who plays a lot of mafia but has no clue what is actually viable as far as player agreement.

And no, it's not against code to let your slot go to end game, it's against code to insta-bulletproof your slot because while RC's reads are good, your slot has been toxic and egotistical this game and more of that is not going to push a solid town together.

Oh, do you or do you not think that we have the highest NK equity as town? Forget the ego thing and your issues with RC, just answer that please.

[Oversoul]

If RC scumreads me this game pretty sure it means his hydra is scum

RC can’t be wrong?

Correct. He can’t be wrong about me because hes been right about me every other time. He would be wrong if he scum reads me.

[Celestial Coordinates]

By the way I didn't even expect to get baton D1 because I assumed that in the end a mixture of my scum game and the fact that a ton of people in this lobby respect me less than my stats should indicate I was never getting it. I don't count my hydra winrate or care about it enough for it to be worth it to me to go through the struggle of getting people on the same page.

I'm good with Shoshin as well.

I think that Shoshin is 100% not going to die N1.

[Something_Smart]

This discussion about mechanics is very boring.

You joined a setup with a unique lynching mechanic, I really don't know what you were expecting.

[Celestial Coordinates]

VOTE: Shoshin

This is the slot I'd like to see not die the most.

I'm good with Shoshin as well.

Shoshin definitely shouldn’t die but statistically, we’re still the most likely to get shot.

[Oh]

it may be boring but establishing that we're going to actually lynch certain scummy people as opposed to let scum make sure that the lynches fall on town is more +town equity than any amount of sorting

I, also, want to lynch certain scummy people and intend to do everything i can to make sure scum get lynched? I'm not sure how your idea is so polar to any other idea in practice?

Find three lobbies where this went through in practice not theory and I'll dismiss my thought of you as someone who plays a lot of mafia but has no clue what is actually viable as far as player agreement.

And no, it's not against code to let your slot go to end game, it's against code to insta-bulletproof your slot because while RC's reads are good, your slot has been toxic and egotistical this game and more of that is not going to push a solid town together.

I literally can't come up with an example where we had an organized approach to the game from the start and people fucked off and did their own thing without being scum pretending to be town.
There was FG's dance game where we decided the lynch order before any lynches went through and won because of it.

I'm not contesting what you agreed on. I'm contesting the "we will lynch anyone who varies from consensus."

your slot has been toxic and egotistical

clarify this

You've already made multiple posts about how you need to be protected day 1 to prevent you from dying night 1 indicating you believe your slot carries more weight than any other slot. You have accused people of game throwing for disagreeing with you. You've claimed you hope we're scum because we disagree with you.

[Oh]

Guys, is it possible to avoid a MG Krazy/RC redux?

Oh is just very wrong in not assuming we are the most likely N1 NK.

I haven’t confidently sorted them yet but I don’t want this to wind up in a battle of egos.

I am suspicious that Oh wouldn’t want us protected but Ank doesn’t sound here like she did in Timeshift, so still a null for me.

I'm not assuming you are not the most likely N1 NK if you are town. Please quote me assuming this or saying this.

[Oh]

Oh, do you or do you not think that we have the highest NK equity as town? Forget the ego thing and your issues with RC, just answer that please.

I think you don't understand how protection in this game works.

Also, what "ego thing?"

[Oversoul]

IIRC oversoul was almost universally townread prior to him replacing out in Starry Night

This is factually incorrect by the way

[Shoshin]

RC, what's your read on Wisdom?

[Celestial Coordinates]

You've already made multiple posts about how you need to be protected day 1 to prevent you from dying night 1 indicating you believe your slot carries more weight than any other slot. You have accused people of game throwing for disagreeing with you. You've claimed you hope we're scum because we disagree with you.

I have accused no one of gamethrowing, though I do think that it is largely gamethrowing to not have a baton pass consensus.
I hope you're scum for a variety of reasons, mostly you saying that if we survive D1 because of the baton pass we have to be lynched the next day.

Our slot is factually going to die N1. I have not failed to be nightkilled N1 in a single large theme this year. Hydra or not.
I think that I'm good enough to be tons of +equity to town if kept alive. I think that reputation and statistical measures of performance also show that.
I'm not going to claim otherwise for the sake of avoiding a conflict with you.

Knowing that I am town it is clearly very beneficial to keep me alive. If I were playing solo I would absolutely force the baton pass onto me. I'm not.

RC, what's your read on Wisdom?

I'm much more interested in resolving these conflicts than scumhunting right now.

[Shoshin]

These conflicts are boring. You're obviously the most likely to get shot, unless you're scum, in which case I'm probably most likely to get shot. This isn't worth wasting time on.

[Celestial Coordinates]

By the way I didn't even expect to get baton D1 because I assumed that in the end a mixture of my scum game and the fact that a ton of people in this lobby respect me less than my stats should indicate I was never getting it. I don't count my hydra winrate or care about it enough for it to be worth it to me to go through the struggle of getting people on the same page.

I'm good with Shoshin as well.

I think that Shoshin is 100% not going to die N1.

No, between us and her, no but if we’re protected, she might. Pretty much whomever scum views as their biggest killable threat.

It really sucks that we can’t protect us and our strongest tr.

[Gay Dance Gone Wrong]

These conflicts are boring. You're obviously the most likely to get shot, unless you're scum, in which case I'm probably most likely to get shot. This isn't worth wasting time on.

Scum would shoot nacho over you actually

[Something_Smart]

I'm much more interested in resolving these conflicts than scumhunting right now.

You can't do both?

[Dannflor]

These conflicts are boring. You're obviously the most likely to get shot, unless you're scum, in which case I'm probably most likely to get shot. This isn't worth wasting time on.

Scum would shoot nacho over you actually

Depends who scum is?

[Celestial Coordinates]

These conflicts are boring. You're obviously the most likely to get shot, unless you're scum, in which case I'm probably most likely to get shot. This isn't worth wasting time on.

This kind of thing tends to fester unless proactively dealt with.

You can't do both?

I suppose that I could be doing both but I'm not doing both because I have a specific scumread in mind and I don't feel like pursuing other people until I spend more time on them.

[Shoshin]

These conflicts are boring. You're obviously the most likely to get shot, unless you're scum, in which case I'm probably most likely to get shot. This isn't worth wasting time on.

Scum would shoot nacho over you actually

Scum RC? I'm skeptical of that claim.