Baton Pass [Game Over!]

[Dannflor]

Half of the Oh vs. Celestial back-and-forth is each one of them prescribing the other player's hydra posts to the wrong player and then the other one getting mad about the misrep.

[Something_Smart]

Half of the Oh vs. Celestial back-and-forth is each one of them prescribing the other player's hydra posts to the wrong player and then the other one getting mad about the misrep.

Gee, I wonder how that problem could have been averted.

[Gay Dance Gone Wrong]

Is Oh even scumreading CC btw?
Because if not the last page is literally waste of time

[Celestial Coordinates]

Half of the Oh vs. Celestial back-and-forth is each one of them prescribing the other player's hydra posts to the wrong player and then the other one getting mad about the misrep.

For the record I did start by asking one of them to actually list which posts were made by which heads.

Gee, I wonder how that problem could have been averted.

owo

-Raybells

[Gay Dance Gone Wrong]

These conflicts are boring. You're obviously the most likely to get shot, unless you're scum, in which case I'm probably most likely to get shot. This isn't worth wasting time on.

Scum would shoot nacho over you actually

Scum RC? I'm skeptical of that claim.

we know that RC is probably town

-bit

[Celestial Coordinates]

it may be boring but establishing that we're going to actually lynch certain scummy people as opposed to let scum make sure that the lynches fall on town is more +town equity than any amount of sorting

I, also, want to lynch certain scummy people and intend to do everything i can to make sure scum get lynched? I'm not sure how your idea is so polar to any other idea in practice?

Find three lobbies where this went through in practice not theory and I'll dismiss my thought of you as someone who plays a lot of mafia but has no clue what is actually viable as far as player agreement.

And no, it's not against code to let your slot go to end game, it's against code to insta-bulletproof your slot because while RC's reads are good, your slot has been toxic and egotistical this game and more of that is not going to push a solid town together.

I literally can't come up with an example where we had an organized approach to the game from the start and people fucked off and did their own thing without being scum pretending to be town.
There was FG's dance game where we decided the lynch order before any lynches went through and won because of it.

I'm not contesting what you agreed on. I'm contesting the "we will lynch anyone who varies from consensus."

your slot has been toxic and egotistical

clarify this

You've already made multiple posts about how you need to be protected day 1 to prevent you from dying night 1 indicating you believe your slot carries more weight than any other slot. You have accused people of game throwing for disagreeing with you. You've claimed you hope we're scum because we disagree with you.

I said, not passing the baton to Shoshin and Sakura would be gamethrowing. You’re not getting my point, it’s a fact town!RC usually dies N1 if not protected and I know you know this.

[YukzYuk]

Anyone legimately townread Wisdom?

[Gay Dance Gone Wrong]

Anyone legimately townread Wisdom?

If no one is, then I will.

[Sakura Hana]

Anyone legimately townread Wisdom?

Nope

[Oh]

Are these both Ankamius?
You're arguing against having set baton pass lynches: true or false?

Those are both Ankamius.

I think it doesn't matter if we agree on lynches or not and the discussion of such is pointless. I think of regardless what we agree on as "how we will play this game," people will offer their opinions, people will build town blocks, and people will reach a consensus on who is scum and who isn't. I think saying "we're going to lynch scum and pass the baton to town" is silly because that's what everyone is trying to do.

Please cite a post that's toxic or anti-town.

Spoiler:

If people are going to knee jerk refuse us for round 1 baton then I'm going to hold off on playing until the round 1 baton is over.

i think we can agree on who passes to who and who is left out and lynch anyone who deviates from it.
if we can't do that because town are playing anti-town then this game is functionally unwinnable for town anyway.
this game is balanced off of the assumption that the day phases balance as 3 lynches.

I don't think Shoshin is a likely nightkill.

Who are the likeliest nightkills in your eyes? Celestial and Nacho?

If no one protects us, we are very likely getting killed. RC is almost always targeted N1. YGM was an exception.

Oh, just read the setup. Oof no town protectives.

We're voting for who is going to be bulletproof tonight, Nancy.

I realize that Dann and we’ll almost certainly be the N1 NK unless bp. You should know that.

Nancy's town
VOTE: CC

RC has a reputation for being killed on N1.

I don't.

Sakura, Shoshin are my top tr.

If the baton doesn’t get passed to them, you all are gamethrowing.

[Dannflor]

It's not usually a problem from your account because Nancy has a very distinct style. But I think Enter attributed Nancy's game-throwing comment to you.

It's just making this take much longer than it needs to because half of Enter's posts are "I didn't say that."

[Gay Dance Gone Wrong]

there's a good amount of town equity in the CC slot so RC knows he can go full force

does anyone here actually scum read CC?

[Sakura Hana]

TIL that Nancy saying im obvtown and i should be passed the baton is toxic or anti-town.

[YukzYuk]

I want to propose that one of our baton kills is Wisdom so if anyone opposes that hmu.

[Dannflor]

Half those posts are from Nancy, Enter.

And... How is "oof no town protectives" toxic?

[Gay Dance Gone Wrong]

Anyone legimately townread Wisdom?

no

[Shoshin]

I'd propose Wisdom/Goodies at the moment.

[Celestial Coordinates]

Guys, is it possible to avoid a MG Krazy/RC redux?

Oh is just very wrong in not assuming we are the most likely N1 NK.

I haven’t confidently sorted them yet but I don’t want this to wind up in a battle of egos.

I am suspicious that Oh wouldn’t want us protected but Ank doesn’t sound here like she did in Timeshift, so still a null for me.

I'm not assuming you are not the most likely N1 NK if you are town. Please quote me assuming this or saying this.

Alright then, at least we’ve got that straight. So knowing this then, why are you still opposed to us being protected?

Perhaps I should ask what your read on me is individually? Because you keep pushing this narrative of RC surviving N1 scum possibility or something.

If you tr me here, than that shouldn’t be a concern for you.

[Celestial Coordinates]

In post 184, Celestial Coordinates wrote:
If people are going to knee jerk refuse us for round 1 baton then I'm going to hold off on playing until the round 1 baton is over.

I don't see your problem with this.
I don't care who gets the round 1 baton pass if it's not us because if we don't get it we're dying.
I instead wanted to talk about scumreads because those actually matter.

In post 248, Celestial Coordinates wrote:
i think we can agree on who passes to who and who is left out and lynch anyone who deviates from it.
if we can't do that because town are playing anti-town then this game is functionally unwinnable for town anyway.
this game is balanced off of the assumption that the day phases balance as 3 lynches.

I still believe this.
Even if we treat the baton passes as functionally lynches and the setup as triple day town's win equity is still ~15%
If we don't do that, it's even lower than that which is no bueno.

[Something_Smart]

I'd propose Wisdom/Goodies at the moment.

Why are we doing this already

[Gay Dance Gone Wrong]

[Celestial Coordinates]

Townreads on Sakura Hana are toxic because the game is far more enjoyable for everyone if Sakura Hana is being scumread for stupid reasons and she's raging because of it. obviously.

[Celestial Coordinates]

Oh, do you or do you not think that we have the highest NK equity as town? Forget the ego thing and your issues with RC, just answer that please.

I think you don't understand how protection in this game works.

Also, what "ego thing?"

*sigh* You and RC butting heads and allowing that to influence your reads.

[Gay Dance Gone Wrong]

I'd propose Wisdom/Goodies at the moment.

2nd

-bit

[YukzYuk]

I'd propose Wisdom/Goodies at the moment.

I'm okay with this.

@S_S because this is more productive than what was happening before.