Baton Pass [Game Over!]

[Celestial Coordinates]

I can happily assure you I dont get along with egos under any circumstances

Okay, sure, but you're scum.

[Gay Dance Gone Wrong]

I don't think Ceph/Shoshin are lynch pool material though. Pretty sure there are possibly better candidates unless RC wants to forcibly strong arm a Shoshin lynch. And I'm sort of not seeing the Shoshin scum right now.

I mean, if you want to just go after a bunch of lynchbait who will flip town you can. There's nothing really scummy about Pmysterious and Gameplay isn't actually all that bad.
But they'll flip town and we'll be back here tomorrow.

Can you give your general reads and feels of the whole/majority of the playerbase? I don't know if you gave reads since you were arguing with Ank for like 5-10 pages.

[Celestial Coordinates]

I guess we can pretend this game is so easy that we've already won if we want to make certain we lose

If we pretend we've already lost, will that make certain we win?

I'm going to sheep someone on Cephrir, just need to figure out who knows him best.

Look I can be fun or I can be spiteful the choice is yours

Would it reflect on your alignment at all?

Look I can be fun or I can be spiteful the choice is yours

Would it reflect on your alignment at all?

I'm not sure, I think I've done all four combinations

Was there a specific combination you preferred more as either alignment?

Thanks for the straight answer Cephrir. Do you have any reads yet?

Trying to avoid tackling the more subjective and more complicated metrics that make me think Shoshin/Cephrir is a SvS interaction
Shoshin decides she isn't going to try to read Cephrir (WHY?) and then spends 5 consecutive posts interacting with him.
The decision not to read him is weird scummy and makes sense coming from scum (doesn't want to have to take responsibility for a read) and the rest just feels like typical scum forcing interactions.

Even continuing the game, Cephrir's "I would vote Shoshin but my scumread is voting there" is super weird and super scumbuddyish.
I'm really just calling a spade a spade, this isn't some sort of megacomplicated read and I think that you guys would be seeing it if you were genuinely scumhunting these two.

[Oh]

Oh

VOTE: Celestial Coordinates

-E

[Celestial Coordinates]

I don't think Ceph/Shoshin are lynch pool material though. Pretty sure there are possibly better candidates unless RC wants to forcibly strong arm a Shoshin lynch. And I'm sort of not seeing the Shoshin scum right now.

I mean, if you want to just go after a bunch of lynchbait who will flip town you can. There's nothing really scummy about Pmysterious and Gameplay isn't actually all that bad.
But they'll flip town and we'll be back here tomorrow.

Can you give your general reads and feels of the whole/majority of the playerbase? I don't know if you gave reads since you were arguing with Ank for like 5-10 pages.

Locktown
Raybellz
OH

Townread
Oversoul
Sakura
Dann
SS

Leantown
Pmysterious

Null
Everyone else

Scummy
Goodies

Scum
Ceph/Shoshin

[Oh]

I don't think Ceph/Shoshin are lynch pool material though. Pretty sure there are possibly better candidates unless RC wants to forcibly strong arm a Shoshin lynch. And I'm sort of not seeing the Shoshin scum right now.

I mean, if you want to just go after a bunch of lynchbait who will flip town you can. There's nothing really scummy about Pmysterious and Gameplay isn't actually all that bad.
But they'll flip town and we'll be back here tomorrow.

Can you give your general reads and feels of the whole/majority of the playerbase? I don't know if you gave reads since you were arguing with Ank for like 5-10 pages.

Not Ank.

-E

[Gay Dance Gone Wrong]

ah my bad, I thought it was Ank

Well, we can't exactly lynch anyone at this phase beside during the baton phase so I'm going to do something RC hates.

I'm going to think about this.

[Cephrir]

Mmm tunnel me daddy it feels so good

[Celestial Coordinates]

I also would like to note on the record that Cephrir's immediate reaction to that push despite it being on him and someone he was townreading was to respond in a way that assumes that I'm town.

[Celestial Coordinates]

Mmm tunnel me daddy it feels so good

[Gay Dance Gone Wrong]

I'll admit there's a selfish part to voting myself -- I want to stay alive so that I can keep playing the game. It's probably my last one for the next couple years.

is this a lie?

[Gay Dance Gone Wrong]

Is Shoshin trying to go for the baton scummy in itself?

[Celestial Coordinates]

I'll admit there's a selfish part to voting myself -- I want to stay alive so that I can keep playing the game. It's probably my last one for the next couple years.

is this a lie?

I think it's a true statement regarding the last one for the next couple of years part.

Is Shoshin trying to go for the baton scummy in itself?

No, but the timing of her decision to go for it and the surrounding factors and the reasons that she gave are all scummy.

[Oh]

I think you've just forgotten how to deal with players who dont worship you

I'm sorry, who are you accusing of worshiping him?

I can happily assure you I dont get along with egos under any circumstances

One of the sure signs of an ego is not being able to get along with one.

Mmm tunnel me daddy it feels so good

... What tunnel.

He made a couple posts about why he thinks you're scum. How is he tunneling you?

Why are you misrepping this?

[Gay Dance Gone Wrong]

So where would Shoshin attack if she was town? Cause she kind of knee jerked attacked Wisdom which I mean looks kind of good.

[Oh]

-E

Ceph you can't just say words like "tunnel" to try and dismiss arguments against you just because you don't like being the target of a push.

[Celestial Coordinates]

So where would Shoshin attack if she was town? Cause she kind of knee jerked attacked Wisdom which I mean looks kind of good.

She'd find a read she thinks she can plausibly push and not have held too far against her if it flips town. Wisdom seems to fill all those checkboxes, no?

[Celestial Coordinates]

This discussion about mechanics is very boring.

Also: Shoshin would absolutely as town be helping me make sure everyone realizes that we HAVE to be using the baton as lynches.
She wouldn't be all lol mechanics in a way that actually helps create a gamestate where the batons aren't used as lynches.

[Cephrir]

-E

Ceph you can't just say words like "tunnel" to try and dismiss arguments against you just because you don't like being the target of a push.

Yeah this seems like the type of thing that's gonna just get dropped and I'm sure he wont be shoving it down everyone's throats for the next 40 pages

[Gay Dance Gone Wrong]

So where would Shoshin attack if she was town? Cause she kind of knee jerked attacked Wisdom which I mean looks kind of good.

She'd find a read she thinks she can plausibly push and not have held too far against her if it flips town. Wisdom seems to fill all those checkboxes, no?

You're saying she'd do that as town but she's apparently doing it as scum? I'm a bit lost on this.

[Cephrir]

I'm sorry, who are you accusing of worshiping him?

A considerable percentage of the site

[Celestial Coordinates]

There's a degree of self-consciousness in 315 that doesn't feel like town Wisdom.

This caught my eye:

i just realized bp can also mean baton pass in addition to bulletproof

when i said and read bp before i was talking about bulletproof

And then this:

hm
all my first thoughts were players already in the game
I have one more thought but we'll see

I think it's best to treat baton mechanic as two extra lynches.

isnt it already two extra lynches
or do you mean decide the two people now, then just baton everyone else

There's also the stuff Yuk pointed to earlier, which wasn't scummy alone but definitely fit a scum Wisdom narrative.

I'm not the best at explaining feelings. Let's just say that I have an intuition for Wisdom's alignment from reading lots of his games.

He feels scummy, is one reason.

How do we feel about baton-killing Wisdom today?

And this just doesn't feel like a push from Town!her, either. It feels like she's trying to sound like herself but it really doesn't sound like her.

You're saying she'd do that as town but she's apparently doing it as scum? I'm a bit lost on this.

Sorry. I don't know who she'd push as town, but I think that I would be able to figure it out based on HOW she pushes that pushes moreso than who she pushes.

[Celestial Coordinates]

I'm sorry, who are you accusing of worshiping him?

A considerable percentage of the site

If anything, I'm underappreciated.

I have a higher winrate than Elli did and at his peak everyone was sucking his dick whereas I can't play a single game without several people trying to dear me down and say I ain't shit.

[Oh]

-E

Ceph you can't just say words like "tunnel" to try and dismiss arguments against you just because you don't like being the target of a push.

Yeah this seems like the type of thing that's gonna just get dropped and I'm sure he wont be shoving it down everyone's throats for the next 40 pages

Oh you're right. My bad, please do tell me more about RC's meta in recent games - especially link me to recent games where he's shoved it down people's throats for 40 pages.

I do like your meta analysis of RC, though. I'm glad that you're good at meta'ing him enough to not only read him accurately, but also tell me what he's GOING to do.

I do admit I was a bit confused by you earlier, I thought you were saying no MS player really knows how to meta other players as well as they think they do, but now I realize you were talking about every player except yourself.

[Oh]

I'm sorry, who are you accusing of worshiping him?

A considerable percentage of the site

Nice! I do prefer it when you make vague statements you can't back up and then back it up with more vague statements that have no reference on the game at all!